what would Reddit need to do to get you to go back

I'm not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don't think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i'm not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

zxo,

I don't think I would ever go back, I used to waste so much time on Reddit that I can hopefully gain back now.

CoachDom,
@CoachDom@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

I switched to Reddit when I made a decision I'm done with the big corpo like Meta and I deleted all my social media accounts including WhatsApp. I got Signal and convinced all my friends and family to do the same so now I have a fully functioning social circle there. I moved from Reddit to Lemmy now because I realised that Reddit is more or less the same - the answer to most of the internet issues atm is open source/decentralised services. So I moved here. Still missing a lot of stuff from Reddit though - mostly thriving meme communities...

charlytune,
@charlytune@mander.xyz avatar

Honestly, I feel like my time with Reddit is done now. You know how when someone breaks up with you and you're in shock that it's over but then you start reflecting and realising everything that was wrong with the relationship? That. I feel like Lemmy, and the fediverse, is a really interesting alternative way of doing things, I'm not the most tech savvy (or the least) and at nearly 50 it's a bit harder for me to pick up new concepts than it was 20 years ago, but I'll get the hang of it, and I actually think that this will end up being a positive change for me. There is so much wrong with the corporatisation of the internet, and this does feel like a viable and genuine alternative to that.

Exquisite_Leek,

I'm in the same boat. I believe we'll get the hang of it eventually thou. See you around.

jherazob,
@jherazob@beehaw.org avatar

There's dozens of us!

Compgeek,
@Compgeek@lemmy.world avatar

I remember Reddit being quite confusing when I started and different to most social media. It took me a while to get my head around following communities and not individuals. Federation is something quite different, but the feel is very old school reddit and I’m finding it pretty easy to learn, just with less creature comforts at the moment that I’m sure will come with time.

solidstate,

Very well put. The whole API thing started a process for me that will not be reversed. Reddit is stained now.

golden_zealot,
@golden_zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

Too late, found something better.

OpposedScroll75,

That's quite simple, actually. It would need to go back to what it was. It doesn't really have to be open source, it just has to be a site where its CEO's only focus isn't milking money but rather improving the site

jmcs,

The worse thing is that he's not even milking money for sheer greed, but because apparently they are still hemorrhaging money, mostly due to lack of a clear product direction (it's not like they actually have much to show for all the money they are spending).

They wasted money and resources developing things that not only they don't need, but also unreasonably increased costs, like hosting images and videos, without a strategy to pay for it. Meanwhile all features that would actually benefit the users were left to the 3rd parties that they are now sabotaging.

markipol,

Yep. Instead of developing things the site actually needs, like accessibility features for low vision/blind users, better mod tools for mobile, a better mobile app in general that isn't horrible and a million other things, they spent all their money and time developing stuff like NFTs (of course), a video player that is barely even usable just to try and look like TikTok, shiny awards and animations to shill out, etc etc.

uplink,

I have seen Reddit make a lot of changes over the years that have continually shifted it away from what I wanted it to be. I have been hoping for a long time that something would supplant reddit, probably for most of the time I've been using the platform. If it is really still not profitable after all of that, then I doubt that they can make meaningful positive changes that I want and be in the black. So to answer your question, no, there's probably nothing they can do to get me to stop seeking replacements.

OhSnapKracklePopped,

Apollo to continue going. That’s it.

darkknight,

Nothing. I was going to wait until the end of the month, but they've handled everything horribly. I've deleted comments and accounts already.

Brisktheaardwolf,

I would say give the third party apps a chance but after that AMA I can see the creators never really cared. Maybe new management but it would be highly unlikely. When I get treated like crap there is no reason to stick around that negativity!

CornHead764,

Honestly, nothing. I was pretty hopeful to see a change of heart during the AMA, but clearly that didn't happen. Good riddance, long live the fediverse.

daychilde,

I was pretty hopeful to see a change of heart during the AMA,

Alas, I had no such optimism. Unfortunately, my cynicism was correct. :(

SmugBedBug,

Same here. Reddit and I have a tainted relationship at this point. I've lost trust in it and the only way forward is to just part ways.

Dandroid,

All they need to do is make RIF not shut down. Whatever that takes. I'm not using their shitty app.

Clbull, (edited )
  1. Ban the handful of moderators who run hundreds of subs between themselves, along with those responsible for moderating AgainstHateSubreddits and ShitRedditSays. Both communities in particular have done tonnes of damage to Reddit as a platform.
  2. Add clear house rules that make Reddit a better place. Banning things like sexualised content of minors, involuntary/revenge porn, racial hatred, etc shouldn't come as a result of the press generating negative publicity and hurting Reddit's bottom line, they should be basic humanitarian requirements to run a social media platform. I mean look at the reason why they banned /r/NoNewNormal, they quoted some bullshit jargon statistics about vote manipulation and used that as a basis to ban them rather than doing what any sane person would do and forbid medical misinformation.
  3. Make the official app actually good. There's a reason why tonnes of people use BaconReader, Apollo, Reddit Is Fun, etc, and why almost every web user prefers Reddit's old minimalistic UI, and it says a lot when a fediverse clone has a better rich text editor than the 'Fancy Pants Editor' of New Reddit...
  4. Spez resigns and brings in somebody more like Aaron Swartz in terms of their beliefs on free speech to run the company.
AbelianGrape,

Ala point 4, don't let Spez be the only fall guy. Not that it will change anything... but still.

Dandroid,

Right. Remember when they brought in Ellen Pao to make all kinds of unpopular changes then got rid of her and kept the changes? She was intentionally a fall guy. People other than just Spez are making the decisions.

AbelianGrape,

Right... and obviously spez's end goal here is to cash out. At which point he is presumably planning on quitting anyway.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

AgainstHateSubreddits

What damage has this sub done?

goat,

They help shut down bigoted and hateful communities. Sounds good.

Buuut they're biased. Anything that's pro-ccp, pro-stalin, or even pro-holodomor is politely ignored by them. Likewise, they also operate racist subreddits towards white ethnic groups and encourage self-harm and suicide for vulnerable men.

There are also rumours of AHS posting ToS-violating content on subs they dislike, such as CP. Of course these don't have much substance aside from the fact that AHS previously trolled The_Donald by "leaking" a false document to The_Donald mod-team (meaning posting false content on other subs is something they have done).

Clbull,

AgainstHateSubreddits deem anything and everything they don't agree with a hate sub. For example, they've bunched communities like /r/SubredditCancer and /r/WatchRedditDie in the same group as places like /r/The_Donald, /r/TheRedPill, /r/KotakuInAction and other communities whose names I won't state here, as they contain racial slurs. They're also the reason why SRC was banned and WRD all but abandoned the site.

Some have also accused them of being agent provocateurs who infiltrate subs they don't like and post rule-breaking content (a bit like how law enforcement have been known to infiltrate and escalate peaceful protests into violence), but there's little to no evidence of this. I wouldn't put it past them though...

They are also the mods who think it's fine to run bots that trawl through any controversial sub and automatically ban anybody for even participating in these communities. It's the kind of crap that has turned Reddit into a partisan hellhole and not the bastion of open discussion that was originally envisioned.

As for ShitRedditSays,, I agree with their overall message that there is a lot of problematic content on Reddit, and I completely agree that Reddit should have taken action against legal grey-area subs far sooner and ditched their laissez-faire approach to content moderation, but I don't agree with the methods they've used to get their message across.

Can't find the specific Reddit comment but Yishan Wong (Reddit's former CEO) has gone on record to say that that they were at one point doxxing and harassing Reddit employees, yet nobody on the team had the nerve to actually ban them from the site.

Also, Violentacrez. Dude was a creep who served as a gatekeeper for some of the most morally decrepit communities on the site. I completely agree that he needed to go but not with how he was basically doxxed. I mean Adrian Chen remains the only Reddit user to dox another user and not be banned for it.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

> AgainstHateSubreddits deem anything and everything they don’t agree with a hate sub.

Isn't that kinda the purpose of the subreddit by definition? The things they disagree with is bigotry, so I don't see why it's a surprise that the things they call out are things they disagree with.

But even if I did agree with you here, them being wrong about something doesn't automatically mean that they're doing damage.

> but there’s little to no evidence of this. I wouldn’t put it past them though…

If there is little to no evidence, why bring it up?

> It’s the kind of crap that has turned Reddit into a partisan hellhole and not the bastion of open discussion that was originally envisioned.

Is them doing that really the cause? Because it seems that political polarization is happening everywhere online.

> Can’t find the specific Reddit comment but Yishan Wong (Reddit’s former CEO) has gone on record to say that that they were at one point doxxing and harassing Reddit employees, yet nobody on the team had the nerve to actually ban them from the site.

I tend not to put too much belief into the word of reddit admins. Just look at the current drama between /u/spez and the Apollo dev Christian.

> I completely agree that he needed to go but not with how he was basically doxxed

Did this actually have anything to do with /r/againsthatesubreddits, or their mods?

Clbull,

Isn’t that kinda the purpose of the subreddit by definition? The things they disagree with is bigotry, so I don’t see why it’s a surprise that the things they call out are things they disagree with.

But even if I did agree with you here, them being wrong about something doesn’t automatically mean that they’re doing damage.

There is a huge difference between hate speech and calling out Reddit's most prolific moderators for going on a power trip, especially when a lot of the bans posted on SRC were honestly unjustified.

If there is little to no evidence, why bring it up?

Because it's a tactic commonly used by law enforcement and something AHS are commonly accused of. They're also in cahoots with the admins, and a lot of people distrust the site's admins.

Is them doing that really the cause? Because it seems that political polarization is happening everywhere online.

It definitely started with them, and it's unfortunately also the same tactics that right-wing subreddits like /r/conservative and /r/the_donald adopted. Critical thinking is anathema in modern Reddit.

Can’t find the specific Reddit comment but Yishan Wong (Reddit’s former CEO) has gone on record to say that that they were at one point doxxing and harassing Reddit employees, yet nobody on the team had the nerve to actually ban them from the site.

I dunno, I'd consider Yishan far more trustworthy than Spez or kn0thing. The former is looking to monetize the fuck out of Reddit while Alexis is a man of no principles who obviously left his position because his wife finally put her foot down and told him to stop giving hate speech a platform.

Bwank,

SRS was really funny but hasn't been relevant in since like...2011? 2012? AHS are was a good sub.

If people took them seriously instead of forcing them to scream into the void, we'd be in a way different situation right now.

dylan,

There’s nothing that could male go back. I’ve wanted to leave for years but there was never a good replacement. Here’s to a good future for Lemmy!

dust4ngel,

i kind of want reddit to die now. people talking to one another shouldn’t be monetized or debased through some spyware algorithm run by antisocial dickheads.

Oslypsis,

He accused a small 3rd party app solo developer who was working for FREE of blackmailing and threatening him. Spez would have to step down and sell Reddit to someone with better integrity and morals for me to go back.

delcake,
delcake avatar

Yeah, firing spez and the leadership team that pushed this forward is the bare minimum for showing contrition here. I'm not against a paid API that has prices based in reality instead of whatever the hell they gave us, but fundamental changes to an API like this require a minimum 12 months lead time before the change goes active.

The 30 days they gave shows an intentional disregard for the business continuity and contractual obligations of the developers who utilize the API.

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