Sabre363,

Maybe it’s not a good idea to use a media platform run by a megalomaniac moron as a primary source of news and information.

mykneedoesnthurt,
mykneedoesnthurt avatar

The greatest moron in the world.

theodewere,
theodewere avatar

as long as he's #1 in your thoughts, he can sleep.. a kind of sleep anyway..

phx,

It’s not just TwitX, there’s a bunch on Lemmy and Reddit feeds too

SCB,

At this point Hexbear is essentially co-opted by astroturfing terrorists

prole,

The 12 year old loser 4channers that thought (probably still think) saying the ‘n’ word is hilarious, turned into 25 year old fascists that think “nihilism” means “make life shitty for everyone else.”

mycorrhiza,

Who are you talking about right now? Hexbear? Is your basis for who is a fascist just that they are rude to liberals on the internet and have intense feelings about capitalism and imperialism?

HaggierRapscallier,

Co-opted??? Moron, get your anti-left propaganda right lol.

SCB,

Words have actual meanings

divert to or use in a role different from the usual or original one.

grue,

Can’t co-opt something when the same people founded it.

conductor,

You think terrorists started hexbear?

mycorrhiza,

What the fuck does this even mean?

SCB,

Their disgustingly aggressive support of terrorism is because they are idiots who fall for propaganda

mycorrhiza,

Or because they are aware of the conditions of life imposed in Palestine?

That 50% of the children in Gaza express no will to live? That 95% of the water is contaminated and Israel strictly controls the water supply? That thousands of civilians have been killed by the Israeli army since 2008? That Gaza functions as an open air concentration camp administrated by an openly racist apartheid state? That Israel helped fund and create Hamas in the 70s and 80s as a counterweight to the largely secular leftist PLO and this whole fucking situation is partially blowback from an effort to divide-and-conquer Palestine? That Hamas fucking chased the PLO out of Gaza, and now Hamas is essentially the only militant force left that can resist the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

Who else is there for Palestinians to root for? What the fuck are they supposed to do? Just sit in their squalid concentration camp and raise their depressed children to be unemployed adults with no future, in a crumbling city with no concrete to rebuild itself, because a rich nation on the other side of the fence deemed it so?

And in an overseas media environment where no one even fucking talks about any of this shit, and the attack is being treated as this sudden unprovoked thing out of left field, maybe some people are going to overcorrect in the other direction out of sheer frustration?

SCB,

I’m well aware of conditions of life in Palestine. Perhaps if Hamas allowed elections in the last 20 years, there would be radically different relationships there.

mycorrhiza,

The elections that determine those conditions are Israeli elections. Israel prevents Palestinians from voting in those.

SCB,

That is just completely false. Since seizing power, Hamas has not allowed further elections.

I welcome your citation proving otherwise, but ultimately it’s irrelevant because every member of Hamas will ideally be dead soon.

mycorrhiza,

I am pointing out that people in Gaza are not Israeli citizens, and the conditions in Gaza are imposed by Israel

SCB,

I agree that Gaza should be made part of Israel permanently.

mycorrhiza,

the Israeli government disagrees and regards Palestinians as a “demographic threat.”

SCB,

Same, hence the annexation.

mycorrhiza,

Are you saying you agree with the Israeli government that Palestinians are a demographic threat?

Do you realize this is an explicitly bigoted sentiment? “Demographic threat” does not mean “some Palestinians are extremists.” It means “Palestinians must not be allowed to become too large a portion of Israel’s demographics.” The Israeli government criticizes Palestinians and Arabs in general for having too many children. This is rhetoric of religious and racial dilution. There are ~9 million Israelis, mainly Jewish, and ~5 million Palestinians, and Israelis do not want to dilute their society with them.

Israel has also non-consensually sterilized thousands of Ethiopian immigrant women, not informing them of the nature of the procedure.

When people call Israel an apartheid state there’s a reason for it

SCB,

When people call Israel an apartheid state there’s a reason for it

Yeah those people are dumb, since Israeli Arabs have full citizenship. Same as any Israeli who opposes the integration - dumb people exist. They exist in the US too, as is easily observable by anyone who wants to limit immigration here.

Palestinians as a separate country are absolutely a threat and once made Israeli, we can look forward to prolonged peace in a generation or two.

End the ease of radicalization and the problem resolves.

HaggierRapscallier,

Lies upon lies. Even Israelis know that Netanyahu funded and provoked Islamist Hamas over the left secular PLO. It’s an open secret.

SCB,

This ain’t a secret at all and has nothing to do with the above. It was just a shitty idea since the PLO was considered the bigger threat - which was clearly wrong.

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

It’s a great timeline … 99% of the planet relies on megalomaniac morons, mega corporations, billionaires and for profit media corporations for all their information.

And we wonder why there is so much misinformation, disinformation, non information and covered up information everywhere.

It’s definitely the information age … expect no one said it would actually keep us informed or have any benefit to humanity.

MotoAsh,

Oh no, it’s DEFINITELY the informarion age. The truth is out there.

There’s just no money to be made with hard work and actual journalism.

foggy,

It’s a great timeline … 99% of the planet relies on megalomaniac morons, mega corporations, billionaires and for profit media corporations for all their information.

Same as it ever was

tryptaminev,

A 100 years ago you got your morning paper that can give you a set of tainted views, because you had no chance to independently check, what is going on on the other side of the world. Now you got Fox news and others shoving down the propaganda narrative with a different set of “experts” 24/7.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

And newspapers used to be full of lies on purpose to sell more copies.

vaultdweller013,

I thought this was gonna be Dewey beats Truman or something but this is for more interesting.

pastabatman,

Fair, but this article is talking about primary information from people who are actually there and small local news outlets being drowned out by misinformation. A lot of primary information in 2023 comes from social media which is then investigated and fact checked by larger and more reputable news outlets before being reported.

So yes, the average person who just wants to know what’s happening should not be getting that info from social media but reporters often have to. Changes to Twitter since musk took over (specifically paid blue check marks and the removal of titles from links) have made the process of sifting through the misinformation and disinformation exponentially harder, even for people who do it for a living like the researcher in the article.

grue,
ours,

The one with a rocket program. Oh wait…

BloodSlut,

The one who’s a billionaire. Oh wait…

ohlaph,

The one who, oh wait…

whyNotSquirrel,
@whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works avatar

no no I got this, the white guy!

rostby,

No, he must be a Jew

Pratai,

In fairness… People who turn to twitter for news aren’t the type of people that generally like to be informed by reality.

30mag,

Breaking news: people who get their news from social media are idiots.

KoalaUnknown,

There are some good sources on YouTube like Crash Course. The problem is when people get their information from posts or channels that are not peer reviewed.

30mag,

I didn’t mean that there isn’t any good information on social media. I have spent a bunch of time watching video lectures that MITOpenCourseWare has posted on youtube.

Using social media sites as a news aggregator is like looking at the news through a filter. I think that is bad because you don’t know how the filter works and you don’t control the filter.

alienanimals, (edited )

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  • HipPriest,

    This is about misinformation on social media plays a part in war and journalism

    SasquatchBanana,

    This one is important. There is a significance to a platform that posts breaking news becoming a pool of disinformation. I admit there are other Musk posts that are unneeded, but this one is necessary to document and archive his problem and Twitter’s as well.

    Dosage9321,

    It took me a hot minute to realise that they were talking about Twitter, lmao.

    Lucidlethargy,

    Yeah, it kind of looks like the author of the article forgot to fill in their placeholder during proofreading.

    HBO destroyed their brand with “Max”, and Elon was like “hold my beer, I’ll make the single dumbest and most confusing brand decision in the history of business.”

    isles,

    I’ve been wondering when pages would drop the “formerly Twitter” clarifier.

    samus12345,
    @samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

    From the article:

    But users of X (formerly Twitter)

    Not yet.

    ViewSonik,

    X is a far-right nazi sympathizing website. Advertisers should have pulled their products a year ago

    kool_newt,

    Assume companies that advertise on Xitter to be NAZI sympathizers.

    AngryCommieKender,

    Xitler the X is pronounced like “sh”

    kool_newt,

    Ah! I was pronouncing it like “Nah Tzi Web-Site”

    Nalivai,

    People who have turned to X for breaking news

    Maybe they shouldn’t

    TwilightVulpine,

    One of the few benefits that Twitter used to have was how useful it was for breaking news and events.

    Nalivai,

    Yeah, it was very useful at getting hot takes, misinformation, sensationalist and outsourced soundbites. It still useful for that, but now there is more unchecked nazism.

    TwilightVulpine,

    Good thing you figured out how to get your hot takes elsewhere.

    Nalivai,

    Or, here me out for a second, I figured that I shouldn’t rely on hot takes to get my information.

    possiblylinux127,

    Stay away from that echo chamber

    krolden,
    @krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

    Stay away from that echo chamber

    ohlaph,

    Stay away from that echo chamber

    Dremor,
    @Dremor@lemmy.world avatar

    Stay away from that echo chamber

    possiblylinux127,

    Stay away

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Stay away way way wa

    kamenlady,
    @kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

    Chamber … Chamber … ^Chamber

    InternetTubes,

    Of course, it’s by design.

    hesusingthespiritbomb,

    Honestly I blame the news orgs for this.

    There are a ton of videos floating around that ARE credible. They simply aren’t getting reported on in a meaningful way. If they do get mentioned, it’s often in an extremely watered down manner that almost feels intentionally misleading.

    You also have videos that are 100 percent verifiable (or the protest videos) that are only being reported on by a few organizations, often leaving out important context.

    If the mainstream media refuses to truly engage in the situation, then people will turn to dubious sources.

    MotoAsh, (edited )

    I mean, that’s just the other side of the same coin. They need good info to dig through, and they need to actually dig. Both are required for actual journalism, and both don’t work under capitalism. There’s too much money in lies, and it’s expensive to fight them in the first place.

    30mag,

    There’s too much money in lies

    It depends.

    www.cnn.com/2020/07/24/media/…/index.html

    trailing9,

    Reposting my question from the other post:

    Can lemmy become the place on the internet to discover the best accounts on X and thus become popular?

    TwilightVulpine,

    It should be the place to discover the best accounts on Mastodon.

    stefenauris,
    @stefenauris@pawb.social avatar

    I disagree with the headline, the war is not causing disinformation. Its bad faith users posting disinformation and ~~X’s ~~ (nope still calling it Twitter) policies that not only let it happen but encourage it.

    DragonTypeWyvern,

    I go with Xitter, or “porn site X.com.”

    InternetUser2012,

    If you’re getting your information from facebook, twitter or fox news (to name a few top offenders) you’re in for a bad time.

    IHawkMike,

    And if a significant enough portion of the people are getting their information from those sources, we’re all in for a bad time.

    Blackmist,

    Hard enough to get unbiased reporting at the best of times.

    Every media outlet picked sides on this a long time ago.

    prole,

    More like: we’re all in for a bad time.

    Unfortunately, their inability to discern fantasy from reality does not only affect them.

    ICastFist,
    @ICastFist@programming.dev avatar

    Sometimes, the fantasy is presented in a credible manner. That’s the hook.

    Pofski,

    I think another big issue is that there are a lot of news outlets that get their info from those three sources.

    cheery_coffee,

    Let’s add Reddit to that list too.

    KoalaUnknown,

    When Bank of America announced 0% downpayment loans for people living in red lined communities with an abnormally low home value, Reddit was flooded with posts saying “BoA is giving better loans to black people” completely ignoring that the loans had no race qualifications. All it takes is one poorly summarized post and the whole site starts screaming nonsense.

    cheery_coffee,

    Beyond that there are a lot of entities pushing their own narratives via bot farms and such, and it’s completely opaque to the users and mods who is upvoting content, or what’s being buried by powermods.

    dpkonofa,

    That’s not a fair assessment. A lot of news outlets get their info from social media like Twitter so, even if you’re not getting it directly from there, it’s very likely that you’re still getting information from there.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    Who are these articles for because everyone I know has always had the opinion that Twitter is full of dumb takes and misinfo

    ripcord,
    ripcord avatar

    Millions and millions of people who are still using it as their primary info source.

    Good that you apparently don't know any of them, but the number of people who actually stopped using TwitX or use it less appears to be shockingly small.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    Yeah unfortunately my friends use tiktok as their primary source so I can’t give them to much credit.

    ripcord,
    ripcord avatar

    That seems...significantly worse.

    Fizz,
    @Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

    Haha yep. I’ve heard them describe events and I have to stop them and say “do you really think it happened like that?” Then pull up Wikipedia and go through the events filling in the important context that their tiktok conveniently left out.

    But everytime I do this i think they trust tiktok less.

    rivermonster,

    Why is this company not shut down and dissolved. It’s a clear and oresent danger to national security.

    EvilLootbox,
    @EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

    There was speculation a few days ago that the institutional lenders that still hold stock may try and seize ownership before Elon inevitably sends it’s value to zero

    rivermonster,

    Fascinating, I had not heard that. IS there any realistic chance of that happening? Is it even possible? I don’t know the ownership distribution.

    EvilLootbox,
    @EvilLootbox@lemmy.world avatar

    I saw it on reddit but that site being what it is, couldn’t find the article or discussion when I went looking for it just now. Best I found was aol.com/…/exclusive-banks-funded-elon-musk-155724… and a series of articles over time that the banks were trying to sell their loans used to buy Twitter and were only being offered 60 cents on the dollar for them.

    rivermonster,

    Thanks!

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