IBM, a major advertiser on X, has pulled its spending from the social media platform, whose employees are grappling with what to tell its other advertisers, according to internal messages.
Damn I was expecting some kind of heated hot-take laden debate about the recent events with Israel, which would have been bad enough for him to throw his two cents into, but dude completely exceeded my expectations in the worst way by straight up praising Hitler out of the blue while givng the nod to white supremacy.
So now that he’s actually showed his hand we can start unironically calling Elon a Nazi now right? I remember people calling him that just to insult him in the past and his personal cult brigade coming to his defense. Let’s see them try and do that now.
Also mirroring the screenshot on Lemmy.ml in case Imgur deletes it:
What damage? Twitter has been a right-wing platform for a long time now. Any remaining users had already (knowingly or not) aligned themselves with right-wing fascist subhumans.
So, if any advertisers or users are upset, fuck 'em. They can own it. They supported a right-wing platform and should reap the labels that come with that.
But it was only used by Nationalsocialists and Eugenicists to describe in their opinion genetically undesirables. Jews were called that for example. It’s the excuse they got killed for by Nazis.
You get on the same level as Nazi supporters using it to describe other humans.
Conservatives lack humanity. Empathy is simply not a conservative trait. It is seen only as a weakness to exploit.
Conservatives see every interaction as a transaction. If they pretend to be empathetic with you, they feel they have done you a favor. If they show you enough kindness, they will feel you owe them something in return. A conservative cannot fathom that people can be kind simply for the sake of kindness. That is just seen as weakness to a conservative. As they would put it, “that’s some liberal shit”.
When conservatives show some humanity, then I will begin seeing them as humans. Remember, if you are not conservative, they see you as their enemy. They do not see you as human and do not value your life in the slightest. Humanizing an enemy that is incapable of humanizing you is a recipe for death. Use caution.
I agree with flooffloof here. But again and just for clarity, subhuman doesn’t mean what you think it means. You’re saying they’re that way because of their genes.
I’m saying they are never going to change and will do everything they can to erase you. Treating them like humans is how you give them an unecessary advantage. They will never return the favor. They neither need nor want your kindness. They only want you to not exist.
Again, subhuman doesn’t mean what you think it means.
You’re literally spreading Nazi propaganda.
And the rest you say was also adressed and I disagree. Hitler was indeed a human, and it’s dangerous to suggest he wasn’t.
You seem radicalised, that’s a dangerous path to go down, even with the right intentions. In fact, Nazis were convinced they had good intentions as well. Republican voters too. And Elon Musk as well.
How do you think many germans were able to kill jews the way they did? They were convinced they weren’t human. Why do you think Putin is demonising and dehumanising Ukrainians?
Do you want to lock up or kill 40% of US citizens since they’re unredeemable monsters?
The best protection from Nazism is to recognize that Nazis were normal people like us, not some strange nonhuman species. If we recognize this we can see that many people can be turned that way when the circumstances push them towards it. So we should watch ourselves. It’s when this gets forgotten and Nazis become caricature movie villains that we let our guard down. It’s no coincidence that fascism resurges when the WW2 generations have mostly died out, taking their memories with them, and Nazis in popular culture have become cartoon baddies.
The conservatives were never normal. Not in 1930 and not today. Conservatives act polite and keep their hatred to themselves when it suits their best interests. But the moment a conservative feels safe to be themselves, the hate flows forth. Hitler did not create the nazis anymore than trump created the magats. They were always shitbags. They just needed someone to give them permission to be themselves.
Conservatives are natural predators of any group they see as vulnerable. They seek out weakness to exploit in normal people. Normal people do not do such things to others.
I think we’re not disagreeing but just using “normal” in different senses. I mean “not unusual” (half of the population leans conservative) while you mean something like “well adjusted” or “healthy”.
Fair enough. I do not see hate-based ideologies as “normal”. Nearly every act of racism, xenophobia, homophobia, transphobia, misogyny, or other bigotry committed in history has been committed by conservatives.
When we treat bigots as normal members of society, we normalize bigotry. They are not normal. They are harmful. There is simply no place in a modern society for conservatism.
How is it not obvious to everyone that he is trying to bankrupt X so he can skirt financial responsibility to his creditors?
The company is worth less than half of what he paid for it. He owes a billion dollars a year just to minimum payments. He knows he cannot make that money from a company that is unprofitable like Twitter/X.
He didn’t. He bought shares, then announced he’d buy it at a wildly inflated price to drive the stock price up so he could sell high. It was a pump and dump scheme and he never intended to actually buy Twitter. 3 days after Twitter agreed to be bought, he had already sold over 6 billion in Twitter stock.
The difference here was the Twitter board wasn’t finna take that bullshit. They sued him and he was going to be forced to honor his disingenuous buyout offer, so he went through with it and has been hemorrhaging money.
His creditors include Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and allegedly parties with ties to Putin. I don’t think they’ll take kindly to losing their fortunes, even if you subscribe to the belief they will relish the collapse of Twitter/X for the general purpose of authoritarian reach. EM is gonna fall from a window at this rate.
Twice as expensive as what? A Lucid Air sure isn’t competing against a Model 3 if that’s what you’re saying. It’s priced almost identically to the Model S, so not really twice as expensive. Also, in case you missed it, the Supercharger network is opening to all brands, so that selling point is not a thing for much longer.
There’s literally no reason to pick a Tesla over another brand, unless you really enjoy paying $12k to beta test absolutely terrifying ADAS software.
Enthusiasts have established owners’ clubs and some have modified their vehicles substantially, adding bigger wheels, jet engines, and high-powered electric motors to propel their C5s at speeds of up to 150 miles per hour (240 km/h).
You’re not very good a product research if Elon being a shithead is what put you off Tesla. Tesla cars should put you off Tesla cars. Lying about range. Thousands of dollars for software features that don’t work. Atrocious reviews from owners about reliability. The list goes on. Then there’s the hostile racist workplaces where they are manufactured. Elon is just the tip of the iceberg.
The worst review I’ve ever heard of any product goes like this. “Imagine if your printer was your car, that’s what owning a Tesla is like.”
I work in the automotive industry as an engineer, and I can confirm that Tesla has a dogshit reputation. A decade or so ago, it was considered the best place to work. These days, the best engineers avoid it like the plague.
Controlling the damage Elon does must be like trying to control a fire after the building is razed to the ground and nothing is left but smouldering ashes.
By the 1930s, the new Nazi government needed that technology — and recruited IBM for the job. Tabulating machines made tracking lines of Jewish descent possible, even if a German citizen’s family had married out of the religion or converted generations ago.
I think the implication is that IBM was happy to work with Nazis to implement the holocaust, but working with X is a bridge too far. Thus by that logic, Musk is worse than Hitler.
I wonder who makes the mainframes used at NSA domestic spying server farms, or who run the computing for predator drone targeting systems. “Not profitable to be vocal in support of antisemitism” hardly means “currently on the moral high ground”…
It sounds like you think IBM has the same employees from 90 years ago…
Is your point that they should be consistent in their historical anti-Semitism? What exactly do you expect them to do other than disavow their past transgressions?
If anything companies like IBM, Hugo Boss and Volkswagen should be extra vigilant about supporting Nazis because of their past.
Your ancestors probably did some fucked up shit too. They may have own slaves. Are you arguing that you should be defending slavery since your ancestors engaged in it?
I just wonder why Linda Yaccarino would continue to stay with a ship that’s going down? I mean she has to think about how this reflects on her own reputation in the business world.
She’s getting a base pay of $6 million per year, plus the potential to double that in bonuses. She’s 61 years old. I expect she’ll go home rich and retire.
Yeah. The wealthy are just horrible people generally. I don’t understand how people don’t get it at this point. Thinking that there will be any moral consequences for their actions. Completely ignores their pattern of action. You don’t get to be wealthy without being a shitty person generally. And if you are expecting shitty people to stop associating with shitty people. You are expecting disappointment. I think it’s a fair bet that she won’t retire. Probably move up to CEO of some other shell for another payout. I mean why wouldn’t you when being CEO doesn’t require actually running a company successfully.
No no no no…if you say blowing up kids and the elderly and stealing land is wrong, you are literally in the terrorist training camps screaming with a bandana on and stabbing rabbi dolls with bayonets. The Israeli narrative is so unhinged and bonkers now, they took a tragedy and made them the bad guys in handling it.
Their policy is to engage in massively more violence than anybody who attacks them. It’s not a crazy policy because a huge chunk of the Palestinians think that the existence of a draft in Israel means it’s morally acceptable to kill Israeli kids because they’ll be drafted in the future, so what’s left is to be so destructive that it deters future attacks.
A negotiated two-state solution would be much better for all involved, but actually making that happen is going to require removing Hamas first, and there isn’t a nonviolent way to do that.
So you think that blowing up hospitals and killing kids is a morally acceptable policy to seek revenge? To argue that possibly a lot of Palestinians might feel that killing civilians would be ok as reasoning they are blown up? You realize they are blowing up hostages, you don’t blow up buildings with your people in it if you care or want to rescue them…if you don’t care at all about human life you do that and are no better than Hamas.
There is basically no way to conduct any kind of military operation in a dense urban area where people are stuck without those consequences. The Israelis don’t have the option of “no kids die” the only choice is “our kids or theirs.” I’m unsurprised that they chose “theirs”
They have shown the world their basic belief in the value of life, and it’s not even up for debate actions speak and their excuses are hollow and foolish, and laughable. This will haunt Israel forever, they will never get past this until they leave Zionism just like the Germans abandoned their evil regime and ideology.
Zionism isn’t a land, it’s an ideology that created their ingrained racist attitude that they are the master race “Chosen People” and it’s ok to mock Palestinian suffering and treat them and others as lesser things. It’s pretty gross, and the surveys of the people show this ideology or racism is rampant there.
There are people who see things as you describe, but that’s not inherent in Zionism; just the idea that Jews should have the ability to engage in full political participation through having their own nation.
Many people have already written books on where it came from, what it stands for, and how it spreads a belief of superiority of the “chosen People” that is where they are not to marry non-Jews. They even went as far as to give Ethiopian women birth control while in Israel, a way to not muddy their “chosen people” status with that unholy melanin. If you have a version of Zionism that is anti-racist and inclusive of all people, I think many people would like to hear that.
Again, there are hugely different strains of Zionism. By lumping them all together, you’re effectively convincing people who might be in a place to stop the modern settler movement that you’re planning to kill them, and guaranteeing that it continues.
Do you think I am planning to kill someone, or you are saying that anyone who doesn’t know this Zionism you are talking about exists that it puts them at risk.? What is the name of this Zionism you are talking about that is pushing for Jews to marry who they love, and free Palestine, and a 2 state compromise? We label all kinds of people in the US different things when they come from the same places originally.
Hamas is a terrorist organization, that is what terrorists do, please reference the WTC for innocents being killed. Or the kids in our schools shot up by right-wing conservative domestic terrorists. Cartels I would also argue are terrorists in Latin America, what isn’t terrorists is UN nations. Again, what is this Zionism branch that is inclusive, pro-inter marriage and anti-racist beliefs?
Hamas is part of the UN? Donald Trump was the POTUS of the US and is under 91 indictments. I can go on and on, and whataboutism for Hamas, but let’s talk about Israel as a UN nation instead. When was Hamas elected again?? 2018 or 2020???
You’re either using antisemitic in bad faith or don’t understand what it is. Opposing Israeli oppression of Palestinians is not antisemitic. Antisemitism is hating Jewish people for being Jewish, or assuming that every Jewish person is to blame for something done by other Jewish people (or made up entirely). Calling criticism of Israel antisemitic is antisemitic itself because it is implying that those criticisms are apply to all Jewish people. They don’t, and don’t even apply to all Israelis, since I assume that some of them are appalled at how Palestine has been treated over the last century and there has been momentum to remove the far right government from power, but there’s this interesting pattern where the less secure his power gets, the more likely a hamas attack is, which then pushes a regime change down the line.
It’s also interesting how they use tactics that might kill current hamas but also kills a lot of innocents, which is fucked on its own but also ensures that others who don’t die will be more likely to join hamas and keep the conflict going.
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