yarr,

Has Starlink considered just using really tall antennas? Should be a lot easier than all the risks associated with putting equipment into low Earth orbit.

fubarx,

The ISS is planned to deorbit in 2031: nasa.gov/faqs-the-international-space-station-tra…

Wonder if the FCC ruling will change after it comes down?

That’s still a lot of satellites floating around that can get in the way. And it doesn’t even include the other LEO providers like Project Kuiper spooling up.

piecat,

At some point there will be more satellites than is feasible to manage.

If they aren’t already, will we start treating them like telephone poles or cell towers?

sirspate,

It’s already a bit of a mess to manage, especially if you include the debris. Back in 2007 China blew up a satellite, and as of a few years ago that represented almost a third of all tracked space debris… (it has its own wikipedia page) If these jokers ever start deliberately blowing up each others’ satellites, we could end up in a situation where space becomes inaccessible.

Patches,

If these jokers ever start deliberately blowing up each others’ satellites, we could end up in a situation where space becomes inaccessible.

We don’t know who struck first, us or them, but we know that it was us that scorched the sky. At the time, they were dependent on solar power and it was believed that they would be unable to survive without an energy source as abundant as the sun.

echodot,

Nope, everyone knows that the best source of power is humans.

Mobius even admits like two lines later that the machines even have fusion power, and then no one ever talks about that ever again. The whole movie makes no real sense when you think about it.

Patches,

Well for starters they wanted to use us for computing power not energy. But it didn’t test well because your average movie goer didn’t understand.

NaoPb,

Ooh, reference to the Matrix.

ShepherdPie,

There’s wildly different orbits. Starlink flies low and has a decaying orbit due to atmospheric drag meaning nothing is going to stay up there for very long. They designed them to just burn up on reentry after ~5 years. Stuff in much higher orbits are more of an issue because they don’t experience the same amount of drag.

Veneroso,

Awww poor Musk. Maybe stop helping Russia by giving them access while denying Ukraine. Also fuck you for ruining Twitter .

Edit - apparently coverage on the Crimean coast was never activated. Still dickish for helping Russia. They’re sanctioned up the wazoo and this might come back to bite him. Starlink is a recipient of US Federal Assistance and that can easily be leveraged.

SaltySalamander,
SaltySalamander avatar

Twitter was a cesspool long before Musk bought it.

GreyEyedGhost,

Twitter was never good, it was just popular.

nivenkos,

I like that you can follow scientists and authors directly at the source though.

aniki,

For what? Is your life in any way any meaningfully different? Why is it important to be connected to people that you don’t know, will never know, and will never interact with? Wouldn’t a better expenditure of energy go towards fostering relationships with people in your community?

Veneroso,

And you’re on Lemmy?

aniki,

Message board isn’t social media. I don’t follow any of you fucks. I don’t give a shit.

Honytawk,

Every media that allows you to be social is a social media

aniki,

That’s the dumbest fucking nonsense I’ll read all day today. Thanks!

Syn_Attck,

Message board isn’t social media.

Social. What we’re doing now.

Jazzhands Media!

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/45b1d240-7be7-48b9-88c1-df4cdf781530.webm

Facebook is just a message board with different features.

aniki,

Yes. It’s called profiles, that you use to generate links, socially, within your peer group.

Not a fucking message board. You don’t get to re-define history just because something new came up.

Syn_Attck, (edited )

Reddit and Lemmy are just as much social networks as Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, LinkedIn. You don’t get to stay in 2010 just because you want to pretend you’re not doing something you don’t like.

Here, have some links ya kangacup

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemmy_(social_network)

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit

www.britannica.com/topic/social-media

nivenkos,

The free exchange of ideas.

Snapz,

It was by no means perfect, but it did become the defacto town square. The Arab Spring was facilitated in part through Twitter and George Floyd related protests were arranged, amplified and shared through Twitter.

There’s plenty of incompetence in Musk, but a significant part of this “effort” was deliberate, as a favor to other like minded billionaires upset and frightened that the people had a working, maturing megaphone. They needed that to be broken, if not fully silenced, and musk was the pathetic piece of shit with daddy issues that the other old money billionaires could convince to do the work here as an attempt to gain their favor.

nivenkos,

Why are you repeating retracted fake news? theguardian.com/…/elon-musk-biographer-admits-sug…

Veneroso,

Thank you. I actually wasn’t aware.

NotMyOldRedditName,

That’s the problem with media today.

I truly don’t blame you for not knowing. There were huge headlines for the initial story, and then smaller headlines on the retraction. Then even after the retraction people that KNOW it was retracted still spread it because Issacson must be lying.

Its not just Elon, this happens everywhere.

Get the big headlines, and bury the corrections or clarifications.

Granted, in this case I don’t think Issacson was malicious in his original reporting, but it really often is malicious

Veneroso,

I found myself in a huge echo chamber over Brexit. World news on Reddit had me believing that it would never happen.

And yeah, I follow someone for Ukraine news on YouTube. He’s pushed some theories that proved to be untrue so I guess that I have to do my own fact checking. Overall he seems to be good, but he seldomly talks about times that he was wrong.

Thorny_Insight,

He denied the request by Ukraine to enable starlink in crimea because “it would make SpaceX explicitly implicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation” it would also have been illegal for him to do so because US sanctions prohibits it. The original claim about him disabling it is false and has been debunked. It wasn’t enabled in the first place. He also later added that had the US government asked him to enable it he would have but they didn’t.

I also find it hilarious that Russia being able to obtain a limited amount of terminals is somehow proof that Elon is helping Russia but at the same time you’re conveniently ignoring the fact that there’s thousands of terminals in use on the Ukrainian side which SpaceX sent there for free when the invasion happened. It’s not Russia he sent those to but Ukraine.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

He didn’t send them all for free, they were also funded by the U.S. government. Sanctions say sales of such would be illegal in Russia. So yes, people in Ukraine can legally purchase and use Starlink and people in Russia legally should not be able too.

So any of his terminals being used illegally are in fact his responsibility. They are using his companies satellites which are included in the sanctions… It doesn’t seem very confusing to me

What part of that is confusing

Thorny_Insight,

Do you know how many terminals SpaceX has already found out to used by Russians and have been disabled? Because I don’t but you seem to be implying that they’re not doing anything about it, so what are the numbers?

LifeInMultipleChoice,

So you claim they are doing something about it and demand someone else find you proof for your claims. Run around with your goal posts all you want.

Thorny_Insight,

I’m not claiming anything. How could I know? I’m assuming they do, but to what extent is anyone’s guess. If someone has that strong opinion about it, I think it’s only logical to expect them to have a reason for it, such as evidence to the contrary.

nivenkos,

The BlueAnon cultists don’t care about the truth.

It’s crazy how polarised these sorts of debates have become. I wish we could have sensible politicians with views like Andrew Yang, Lee Kuan Yew, Robert Zubrin, Nayib Bukele, Carl Sagan, Richard Dawkins, etc. - focus on developing technology and building up infrastructure and institutions for everyone.

rbos,
@rbos@lemmy.ca avatar

I can’t speak for the others but Dawkins has fallen into an anti-trans rabbithole lately and has said some pretty hateful stuff. :(

Brkdncr,

Ok FCC, then how do you plan on getting internet to me? Choppy terrestrial with 20% packet loss wasn’t working, Verizon lte with 2mbps upload wasn’t working, hughesnet…do we need to even mention it? Verizon dsl with 1.5/.25 isn’t even internet.

So please tell me how you’re going to do something about it other than deny me solutions? Starlink has been the best thing to happen to rural US in a long time.

Frog-Brawler,
Frog-Brawler avatar

How did you make this post? Seems like you have internet now.

BolexForSoup,
BolexForSoup avatar

With regular starlink or the imperfect terrestrial options available to you. You have options.

topinambour_rex,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

If you want low latency go to urban areas. Otherwise accept medium latencies and stop to scream at the sky.

Does the International Space Station worthes safety means nothing to countryside people ? Are you so self centered ?

nivenkos,

What about rural farmers’ children who want a good education? What about Cubans who are denied deep-sea cables service by the USA?

This is incredible technology that can help tens of millions of people.

“Just be a rich urban American” isn’t a good answer for the rest of the world’s population.

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

How do slightly higher latencies impact any of that?

You don’t even notice those unless you play a FPS. Last I checked, pwning b00ns in CS isn’t vital to a good education.

nivenkos,

To make it competitive with local Internet, so all services work well. On high latency connections lots of stuff like websockets, etc. will struggle too.

flying_sheep,
@flying_sheep@lemmy.ml avatar

It’s competitive because as you describe, it’s better than all other available forms of Internet access.

I used web sockets exactly once in an interactive piece of software. It worked perfectly fine with over-the-ocean latencies, which are higher than Starlink.

It’s a non-problem.

topinambour_rex,
@topinambour_rex@lemmy.world avatar

I think Cubans would prefer access to other ressources before low lantecy internet. Because that’s what the subject of this article. Starlink wanting access to very low earth orbit for reduce the signal distance, so the latency.

You can still have access to internet with a medium latency.

Then I’m the rest of the world. I live in an area with a density of 100people by km square. And I have fiber. Yes I’m from a west european country. My download is at more than 900mb, my upload the half. And I have a ping of 20ms.

Brkdncr,

That’s not how it works?

Everyone deserves decent internet access. Restriction to access results in poverty.

echo64,

It is quite literally how it works.

In addition, Starlink is not a good solution. It requires an infinite amount of rockets sent into low earth orbit forever, at a heavy subsidised cost paid for by American taxpayers.

You should be pushing for long-term solutions, not ones that literally fall out of the sky six months after the subsidies stop.

Thorny_Insight,

It’s a good thing that these are put on the low earth orbit which decays faster. That means it cleans itself of space junk in a relatively short time. Putting them higher up would mean higher latency and more junk in space for longer amount of time.

echo64,

The alternative is not “higher orbit satellites”, it’s “put wires on the earth”.

Firing infinite rockets that fall out of the sky in a year is a bad, wasteful option that only exists because the American government is not under enough pressure to fix its infrastructure problems.

the rest of the world, even the big countries with lots of remote citizens, they used wires not infinite rockets.

Clent,

Pay to have fiber run to your house. Your living choice isn’t our problem.

kautau,

Additionally, get mad at the ISPs that took government funding to expand rural internet access and then didn’t. It’s always the governments fault with these people, never the corporations that are working day after day to shaft people

JakenVeina,

So, what you’re saying is, their current setup is working for you, and their new proposal for lower-orbit satellites isn’t really necessary?

Thorny_Insight,

I love when people use the phrase “So, what you’re saying is…” unironically.

postnataldrip,

Good call. Being crashed into with a 16km/s closing speed probably would be a hindrance.

homesweethomeMrL,

Yeah y’know who’d love a low orbit relay dialed into all the root servers? Rhymes with Tooti Fruity all Rootie?

this_1_is_mine,

Keep your thousands of space crap out of lethal range please.

QuaternionsRock,

out of lethal range

Would they not be?

Kbobabob,

Please try reading the article before commenting. This is the very first paragraph.

The FCC has once again rejected a Starlink plan to deploy thousands of internet satellites in very low earth orbits (VLEO) ranging from 340 to 360 kilometers. In an order published last week, the FCC wrote: “SpaceX may not deploy any satellites designed for operational altitudes below the International Space Station,” whose orbit can range as low as 370 kilometers.

fadedmaster,
@fadedmaster@sh.itjust.works avatar

That doesn’t say anything about lethal range. It just says they won’t allow it to be lower than the ISS’s orbit. It could be because of “lethal range” or it could be that they want as little crap in the way of routes to and from the ISS.

I looked over the article (albeit very quickly) just in case you didn’t quote enough of the article on accident and I didn’t see anything about lethality. I could have missed it or I’m not reading between the lines (maybe missing their meaning in the article).

Veneroso,

In general, these things are zipping around the earth at 17,000 mph. There’s 5,504 of them. Space is already dangerous with all of the space garbage in orbit. If these were to collide it could easily make getting things into orbit due to the debris and the chain reaction if the debris caused more debris from impact even more dangerous. Space garbage really is something we don’t have a solution for.

ShepherdPie,

This is a pretty ignorant take and borderline disinformation. Yes they travel fast. Yes there are a lot of them. No they don’t pose any risk of blocking space travel even if they all exploded because they’re not in a stable orbit where they can just stay up there forever. They’re low enough that they’re facing a constant pull back into earth.

gregorum,

Niet, comrade

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