Wander,
@Wander@yiffit.net avatar

I'm sorry but that's really really far from reality. What do they understand as demilitarization?

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

if I read that correctly and if it is true it would mean that ...
the Kremlin is seeking an excuse to get the fuck out of Ukraine without losing face in front of their own population.

DarkDarkHouse,
@DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Mission Accomplished

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

Yeah, when you see totally barmy stuff like this from Russian media it's usually not particularly intended to convince people like you, it's meant for internal consumption.

Extra_Cucumber_2979,
@Extra_Cucumber_2979@lemmy.world avatar

Well, is this the beginning of “we have achieve the goals, bye”? Hope…

cassetti,

I can see the "Задание выполнено" banners now

Extra_Cucumber_2979,
@Extra_Cucumber_2979@lemmy.world avatar

Well, is this the beginning of “we have achieve the goals, bye”? Hope…

Vikthor,

For all I care they can even hang a large "Mission Accomplished" banner from their aircraft carrier heavy aircraft cruiser scrap-heap Kuznetsov.

wazoobonkerbrain,

My guess is that they will declare the operation a success and end further advances, but without ceding the territory that they have won so far.

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

It's not super clear to me how that works out. Ukraine has been pretty stable on, "All taken territory including Crimea back," so do we move to a world where Belgorod Bob assures the people that myths of Ukrainian advance are totally false daily?

stux,

They rlly need to gtfo of Ukraine..

Lexam,

"In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with."

So they've used up the old soviet weapons and now using modern western weapons.

As for supplying weapons. America is happy to. We are trying to give away tanks like they are kittens!

drmoose,

They could argue is that they want to protect their IP or something. If that gives them a "win" so they leave then mission accomplished I say!

FanciestPants,

And can we stop giving tanks to that tank-lady that lives in the apartment down the hall? She barely takes care of the ones she has.

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

Meaning of "giving thanks" : giving words of gratitude
... or did i woooosh ?

FanciestPants,

Lol, sorry. I was joking on the notion of giving tanks away like kittens, and how there might be a tank-lady similar to the stereotype of a cat-lady that has way too many cats.

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

👍 okay now I get it 😆
and I was confusing thanks for tanks

ElectronSoup,

America doesn't 'give away' weapons, Ukraine will pay for them eventually, just like Israel, SK, Taiwan, and the rest always do.

Burp,
Burp avatar

https://youtu.be/Qj9HD8MdAFs?t=918
Worth watching this for a couple minutes to get a better idea of how aid is being provided to Ukraine.

A_A, (edited )
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

from that article :

Source: Peskov in an interview with RT Arabic, according to TASS propaganda news agency
Quote: "Indeed, Ukraine was heavily militarised at the time of the beginning of its [special military operation, as the Russian Federation calls the war against Ukraine – ed.]. And, as [Russian President Vladimir] Putin said yesterday, one of the tasks was to demilitarise Ukraine. In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with."

... so is that an excuse for the Kremlin to get the fuck out of Ukraine ?

Edit : + link of source ( in Russian )

Cal,
Cal avatar

Don't care about the reason why. Just get out.

dystop,
@dystop@lemmy.world avatar

I don't mind pretending Russia won if it means Pootin can get the fuck out of Ukraine.

sab,
sab avatar

I mean, the only way for Putin to politically survive a retreat is to convince Russians that this catastrophic failure was actually a huge success, and their sons didn't die for nothing.

Seing them push a narrative that they have already achieved what they came there for is therefore kind of uplifting. If the Russians could leave Ukraine without losing face they would have done it months ago, and this seems to be the beginning of the effort to create such an opening.

Of course nobody in the West is going to buy it (well, almost nobody, without pointing any fingers), but much like the rest of Russian propaganda we don't really need to either. The only limit is which lies the Russian people are willing to believe, and for once I actually want them to believe this one - or at least I want the Kremlin to believe they believe it.

agressivelyPassive,

This was literally the shitty joke I was thinking about when reading the headline "Well, we demilitarized them from soviet weapons". You really can't think absurdly enough for those guys.

AntennaRover,

If they pull out under the pretense that Ukraine has been demilitarized, and Ukraine turns around and joins NATO, they have egg on their face. Any withdraw would still have to be predicated on assurances that Ukraine won’t join NATO, from Russia’s perspective, or they won’t be able to claim success.

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

One has to have been living in Russia (for years) to know (or to feel the temperature) of what they will swallow from the Kremlin. Propaganda is pushed if the Kremlin believes it will be tolerated.

DeathWearsANecktie,

If they really believe that then they should fuck off out of Ukraine. But they don't really believe it.

GunnarRunnar,

In fact, this task is largely completed. Ukraine is using less and less of its weapons. And more and more it uses the weapons systems that Western countries supply it with.

What a strange definition for demilitarization lol.

YolkBrushWork402,
YolkBrushWork402 avatar

It's so strange how they think they are demilitarising Ukraine when in reality they are actually demilitarising themselves

YolkBrushWork402,
YolkBrushWork402 avatar

And by "demilitarise." Do they mean they demilitarised themselves in Ukraine?

Balssh,
Balssh avatar

Man I know these types of sentences are for their brainwashed population, but it's so delusional

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

Is Pravda a good informative source? This website says they have mixed factuality.

That being said, Russian government can eat my ass. They are so fucking delusional, I can feel their society is closer to collapse and hopefully their leadership all die slow painful deaths.

HopeOfTheGunblade,
HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

My understanding, and I am nothing like an expert in Russian media so salt to taste, is that Pravda is at least government affiliated, so they have a checkered history with respect to the truth but can be assumed to accurately report what it is that the government wants to project.

racer983,

Totally reasonable concern, fuck Russia but Pravda does have a bit of a vested interest in their reporting to say the least. In this case they're just actually reporting what was said on a Russian propaganda outlet. Disclaimer, I know zero Russian, but a Google translate of the Russian propaganda news networks seems to confirm that Pravda is being factual and this is what Russia is saying.

https://tass-ru.translate.goog/politika/18051163?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true.

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

Very good news ! if that trend goes on it will be such a relief !
Like you wrote, here the Ukrainian Pravda refers to the original which is an official Russian source : TASS original in Russian

Does someone here read Russian so to confirm 🙏 ?

Skyler,
Skyler avatar

Time for a photo op with Putin and a big "Миссия выполнена" banner in the background.

SillyJester,

I hope this is the beginning of the end of the conflict. 🙏

A_A,
@A_A@lemmy.world avatar

fingers cross that would be such a relief !

Pirately,

Congrats. So you can fuck off now, right?

demonmariner,

We should mail him a "mission accomplished" banner and a green screen backdrop of a battleship deck.

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