Shani Louk, whose naked body was paraded by Hamas fighters, was also possibly robbed. Her credit card was used in Gaza, report says.

  • A video showed Shani Louk’s naked body being paraded through Gaza on the back of a Hamas truck.
  • Her family told Der Spiegel that Louk’s bank said her credit card had been used in Gaza.
  • More than 600 Israelis have died and over 100 have been captured by Hamas, Israel says.

Shani Louk, the young woman whose naked body was seen in the back of a pick-up truck driven by Hamas fighters through Gaza, may have also been robbed, a report suggests.

The parents have not heard from their daughter since a phone call early on the morning of October 7, just after Hamas launched the first rockets into Israeli territory.

But in an interview with German news outlet Der Spiegel, the family said they had received information from her bank that the tattoo artist’s credit card had been used in Gaza.

Louk’s mother, Ricarda Louk, still holds out hope that her daughter might still be alive, saying in a video posted to X, formerly known as Twitter, that she saw her daughter “unconscious in a car with Palestinians.”

“I just don’t want to admit it yet,” she told Der Spiegel.

FaizalR,
FaizalR avatar

Sounds fake.

Furball,

Maybe watch the video.

FaizalR,
FaizalR avatar

@Furball There is no video.

@MicroWave

anon_water,
@anon_water@lemmy.ml avatar

No u

Rawdogg,

She was an illegal settler, a legitimate military target, no sympathy whatsoever, free palestine

tiny_tina_,

You heartless piece of shit. That is SOMEONE’S DAUGHTER. How about that happening to a loved one in your life?

Empathy.

Rakust,

Poor woman. Wouldn't wish what she went through on anyone

Chunk,

I might wish it on a few people, idk.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

So is the idea to parade this woman around through countless articles to justify the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

OfficerBribe,

So is the idea to abuse and kill civilians to justify oppression by Israel government?

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

This was a horrific act perpetrated by terrorists. It should not be taken as representative of Palestinians. Still, this will receive more coverage than any atrocity carried out against Palestinians by the IDF or settlers, both of which enjoy official support from the government of Israel. The bias is clear and that is what I wanted to point out.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

Yeah it would help the image of Palestinians have they could take a pause from hating Israel and condemn Hamas for these acts. But unfortunately I don’t see that happening. I just see people attempting to justify the actions of Hamas by mindlessly saying “Israel Bad” over and over again.

I get that y’all are conditioned to say “Israel bad” anytime it’s mentioned (and sometimes when it isn’t). But you’re not exactly helping your cause by doing this immediately after terrorists commit horrific acts against Israelis. Kind makes you seem sympathetic to the terrorists.

What I’d like to see is Palestinians condemning Hamas and distancing themselves from the group. Just doesn’t seem to be happening though. What conclusion do you think people are going to draw from the fact this doesn’t seem to be happening? I’m seeing people so blinded by their hatred of Israel that they’re incapable of any kind of empathy for the victims of a terrorist attack.

GivingEuropeASpook,
@GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee avatar

You can literally find Palestinian diplomats on BBC and AL Jazeera doing exactly that while placing it in the wider context of the 50+ year occupation and the fact that Israel is still the bigger military force in this

GivingEuropeASpook,
@GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee avatar

Theres pointing out bias and theres making bad-faith accusations of motive with no basis

dumdum666,

The whataboutism in the comments is really appalling. Some of you are directly condoning the killing of all those civilians because „Israel had it coming“. If you are like that - you are a disgusting human being. You should be ashamed of yourself.

TruTollTroll,
@TruTollTroll@lemmy.world avatar

I think it’s a very nuanced complex set of issues that no one on social media has a real grasp on… we are really only being shown so much from both sides… we can be against Hamas and Israel but be pro civilian… it’s a nuanced, challenging issue, that takes a lot of intellect and understanding that there is no good guy, bad guy in this. Both governments suck here, not the victims dying at their hands.

SpaceCowboy,
@SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca avatar

It shouldn’t be all that hard to simply denounce a terrorist group that rapes and murders.

But many people (who claim to be on the left) are reacting to this this in the exact same way that the alt-right reacts to a mass shooting. “It’s the media’s fault! It’s complicated, you just don’t understand!” Everything except denouncing the act and those behind it.

It seems people are struggling to accept they were supporting some very horrible people and were wrong to do so.

Spzi,

Not sure if the robbing makes the story that much worse. I feel the assault, murder and public display far outweigh the money.

Cleverdawny,

Yep. The people who did this are animals.

randomname01,

This is horrible, but please don’t let this trick you into some sort of “both sides are actually the same” mentality.

peachybuttcheek,

You’re right. They’re not the same. I don’t see the IDF parading naked bodies of European citizens while Israelis spit on them.

randomname01,

…yeah, but they’re still the oppressor and have killed far more Palestinians than the other way around. Focussing on sensational stories like this to ignore the actual dynamics of oppression is exactly what I’m warning against.

peachybuttcheek,

Is killing 260 innocent civilians at a rave just a “sensational story” for you? You might want to reevaluate your moral compass there, buddy.

Many people were oppressed throughout history. Many more still are. Yet, I don’t seem to remember many of them enjoying themselves like Palestinians did with that poor German girl.

What’s crazy is that I was sympathetic to the Palestinian cause before this. After seeing all those videos, I can’t blame the IDF for turining Gaza into rubble. If my country was attacked the same way & the invaders did to innocent civilians what Hamas did, I would have been absolutely pissed at our army if they didn’t respond with overwhelming force.

Zaktor,

Is killing 260 innocent civilians at a rave just a “sensational story” for you? You might want to reevaluate your moral compass there, buddy.

I’m pretty sure Israel is still way ahead. Are their civilian casualties less horrific because it’s people in homes and schools rather than a rave? The only correct moral judgement is that Hamas and the IDF are both committed to evil, and the IDF is just more capable.

hitmyspot,

But Hamas is now more current.

Zaktor,

Israel is killing hundreds of civilians right now. How is that not current?

hitmyspot,

I agree, it is, as their response is now newer then the Hamas act.

What I mean, is that looking at historical deaths is misleading when Hamas have just killed hundreds 2 days ago.

GivingEuropeASpook,
@GivingEuropeASpook@lemm.ee avatar

Its cause they do it to non-Europeans in Gaza or stand aside while settlers in the West Bank do it

dingleberry,

It’s quite extraordinary. I’ve never seen Islamists degrade women before.

nonailsleft,

The list of Israeli sins is long and wide my friend

randomname01,

That’s what I’m saying. Pro Israel people loooove bringing up stories like this to pretend Israel being a violent apartheid state is actually justified.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Hamas = Bad does not mean Israel can kill Palestinians. It all ends there.

ABCDE,

Because Israel has indiscriminately killed far more Palestinians than Hamas has Israelis?

Zoldyck,

Normally Hamas are real sweethearts. /s

randomname01,

Yeah, that’s clearly my point. 10/10 reading comprehension.

tetraodon, (edited )

Well they are. Both (Edit for clarity: Hamas and Netanyahu) commit atrocities in the name of their sky-daddy. Both are supported by their populations. Both have an interest in maintaining the status quo.

randomname01,

Hmm yes, the oppressed people in the Gaza Strip have an interest in maintaining the status quo. I am very smart, yes.

ABCDE,

Hamas and Bibi, not oppressed people.

tetraodon,

Palestinians maybe not. Hamas, definitely yes.

And Palestinians support Hamas.

randomname01,

Palestinians support Hamas because they want to see the apartheid state that oppresses them fall, not because they support the status quo lmao.

tetraodon,

Hamas supports the status quo though, because the moment the war stops they slide into irrelevance.

hitmyspot,

Yes, just like Mandela. And the political parties in Northern Ireland. And the USA after it’s civil war etc etc.

Hamas will try to legitimize, should a path forward be found. It is now less likely and further away. I expect Hamas is pretty much finished. Israel will use this as an excuse to obliterate the Palestinians with great force.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Yes let’s all quote those elections done 16 years ago that lots of Palestinians couldn’t even be part of and were never repeated to say stuff like “And Palestinians support Hamas”. Let’s generalize all the way to hell. Let’s make it all black and white.

rikudou,

Dude, you realize you’re on your Lemmy.world alt, right? Back to Lemmygrad with ya!

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

I never signed up for Lemmygrad nor do I seem to agree with their opinions. So why should I go there? Because I’m saying that not all Palestinians support Hamas? Like dude, I’m a Palestinian and I don’t support Hamas. What do you want me to do in Lemmygrad?

rikudou,

Cool, revolution when? If 47% disagree, it should be pretty quick, that’s well beyond the critical mass needed for a successful revolution. Until then don’t claim that Palestinians don’t support Hamas.

Do we think that every individual in Palestine supports them? No. Do we think Palestinians in general support them? Yes.

snek,
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Until then don’t claim that Palestinians don’t support Hamas.

Come on, this is a generalization. It doesn’t take two people to see this is a blanket statement. Do you agree it’s a blanket statement?

Do we think that every individual in Palestine supports them? No. Do we think Palestinians in general support them? Yes.

If this is what you are trying to say, then you are both (1) bad at expressing it, and (2) incorrect.

(1) if this was your point form the start, why not say this instead of a blanket statement? and (2) where is the “in general” in a survey with an almost perfect split in the middle and with support for Hamas changing every year, increasing during times of conflict and trauma, and decreasing during times when Hamas is shit at managing Gaza as a residential area?

To reiterate:

Do we think Palestinians in general support them?

No. That would be bad math and almost intentionally misreading the situation to polarize it.

Cool, revolution when?


Edit: I just want to comment on this part

Cool, revolution when?

So you’ve set a personally high bar for Palestinians, this is not a situation that is reasonable or would happen easily or would help us make any conclusion. This is like saying, “Israel in general supports Netanyahu because no one has started a revolution yet.”

Now it starts to sound stupid, you see.

rikudou,

Now it starts to sound stupid, you see.

Does it, though? You might be mistaking me as someone who’s on Israel’s side or who’s picking any side in this. My stance is that both sides suck and that yes, some revolution would be real nice on both sides.

tetraodon,

apnews.com/…/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e13…

Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research poll from 2021:

53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.

If you really are Palestinian, you are not well informed.

snek, (edited )
@snek@lemmy.world avatar

Sounds to me more like I’m one of those 47%

But no, let’s take Brexit numbers and make them black or white.

All I said was that not all Palestinians support Hamas. This is factually correct. It is not something you can dispute.

Do you even read the things you post to me? Look at this

Head pollster Khalil Shikaki, who has been surveying Palestinian public opinion for more than two decades, called it a “dramatic” shift, but said it also resembles previous swings toward Hamas during times of confrontation. Those all dissipated within three to six months as Hamas failed to deliver on promises of change.

You are making big sweeping statements from an article that contradicts the polarity you are trying to display.

If you really are Palestinian, you are not well informed.

Edit: I just want to add, what a shitty tactic. “If you are really Palestinian”… yes, I’m really Palestinian. I’m registered at the UN as a Palestinian refugee with the right of return. I’m a fucking diaspora. There is no need to deny people their own heritage or identity because of a petty online argument. I’ve lived my early life in Jordan, surrounded by Palestinian and Jordanian families. I have Palestinian friends. I’m very well aware of Palestinians who support Hamas, and aware that it’s not even close to everyone. I’m not stupid enough to generalize and run with it.

bennieandthez,
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  • roofuskit,
    roofuskit avatar

    For about 10,000 Palestinians.

    Jackolantern,

    How heartless you are huh.

    Bonesince1997,

    Typical lemmygrad comment right here

    Bimbus,

    A certified lemmygrad moment indeed.

    anon232,

    I love instance names as part of usernames, really helps you see what shitholes people come from with their awful opinions

    Encode1307,

    A wretched hive of scum and villainy

    nonailsleft,

    Also gullible idiots

    tetraodon,

    Welp, it must be hard to be continually reminded that your idols are cold blooded murderers.

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