Ocean Heat Has Shattered Records for More Than a Year. What’s Happening?

https://slrpnk.net/pictrs/image/924278bf-d525-4611-85a6-467f376cbbab.webp

“There’s no ambiguity about the data,” said Gavin Schmidt, a climatologist and the director of the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies. “So really, it’s a question of attribution.”

Understanding what specific physical processes are behind these temperature records will help scientists improve their climate models and better predict temperatures in the future.

aBundleOfFerrets,

Woohoo! The beginning of the end!!

silence7,

It doesn’t have to be. That’s entirely a human decision.

ITypeWithMyDick,

And humans wont do anything till its too late. As we always do.

silence7,

That’s up to us. Get involved. Join an activist group, or a political campaign. Change policy. Show your neighbors how it’s possible to cut fossil fuels out of your life.

demonsword,
@demonsword@lemmy.world avatar

Show your neighbors how it’s possible to cut fossil fuels out of your life

Corporations account for more than 80% of all emissions. Anything we do on a personal level is the proverbial drop in the ocean

silence7,

Kinda sorta; they’re responsible for more than 80% of scope 3 emissions, which counts what happens when fossil fuels they extract and sell are subsequently burned. Individually, what you do is tiny, but as you show people around you that it’s possible to live without fossil fuels, it changes behavior in the aggregate.

bloodfart,

This is not true.

silence7,

Sorry, but you’ll need to bring evidence for that kind of statement

bloodfart,

The opposite is true. If you want to credibly assert that fossil fuel consumption at the point of extraction can be controlled by consumer behavior it is you who needs to bring evidence.

Even discounting that boycotts cannot work without accompanying violence.

When the plastics industry, an industry concerned with the mere byproducts of fossil fuel extraction, realized that public opinion was turning against their products, they created a multibillion dollar campaign to convince everyone that those plastics were fine and would be recycled even though the technology was never available or cost effective for large scale use and all that plastic waste was just getting dumped in landfills and shipped across the ocean to foreign landfills.

That misinformation was the accepted wisdom for thirty years.

That’s what the industry concerned with the unavoidable byproducts of extraction and refinement of fossil fuels did when everyone started to turn against them after literal decades of grassroots propaganda around litter.

They gaslit the world into believing that it was okay to use plastics for packaging because they could be recycled.

Even if you still believe that you and all your friends can change the course of the main event, the most powerful wealth extraction industry ever known in human history, and keep from being turned against each other, made into pariahs, expelled from society and keep the points of your own knives aimed away from yourselves simply by deciding not to buy fossil fuels, what do you think they’re gonna do?

They’ll just load em up in a tanker and send em over to a place where someone will.

And sell you plastic doodads that run on electricity that is still made by burning fossil fuels.

I don’t need to provide evidence that we can’t change the path of the extractive industries with boycotts, I’ve spent my whole life living in the outcome of that reality.

silence7,

In short, you’re sealioning.

bloodfart,

I don’t know what that means.

You made a claim, I said nuh uh, you said prove it, I said you ought to be proving your claim since the entirety of history about your claim in the broadest sense shows the opposite, in the specific sense you’re making it we have an example of your claim being wrong in our living memories and even if somehow your claim were actually true it wouldn’t lead to the result you try to show.

Put up or shut up. Explain how showing people around you that it’s possible to live without fossil fuels will change behavior in aggregate.

silence7,

So you have no evidence for your position.

ITypeWithMyDick,

Yup, youre just a troll

silence7,

So let’s summarize:

  • You make a dubious claim
  • I ask for evidence
  • You claim that I’m the one responsible for evidence
  • I point out how you’re trolling
  • You say again that I’m the one who is supposed to give evidence
  • I point out that this makes it clear you have none
  • You tell me that I’m a troll

If you had evidence, you’d have shown it by now. But you don’t.

ITypeWithMyDick,

Except I already did provide evidance/links, never claimed you needed to provide evidance (though you never did provide any to back up your claims).

So yeah, above is wildly untrue.

Troll.

silence7,

And now you pretend to have had evidence. You didn’t

ITypeWithMyDick,

Check the post times.

Troll.

silence7,

Indeed you are.

ITypeWithMyDick,

:(

bloodfart,

If it’s not clear that I have provided plenty of evidence:

You said

Individually, what you do is tiny, but as you show people around you that it’s possible to live without fossil fuels, it changes behavior in the aggregate.

I said nuh uh, you said prove it and I said

When the plastics industry, an industry concerned with the mere byproducts of fossil fuel extraction, realized that public opinion was turning against their products, they created a multibillion dollar campaign to convince everyone that those plastics were fine and would be recycled even though the technology was never available or cost effective for large scale use and all that plastic waste was just getting dumped in landfills and shipped across the ocean to foreign landfills.

That misinformation was the accepted wisdom for thirty years.

That’s what the industry concerned with the unavoidable byproducts of extraction and refinement of fossil fuels did when everyone started to turn against them after literal decades of grassroots propaganda around litter.

They gaslit the world into believing that it was okay to use plastics for packaging because they could be recycled.

I showed evidence that boycotts won’t work. Show me evidence that they will.

ITypeWithMyDick,

Like every scientific journal/report/study since back to 20 years ago? And since the current data is so much worse than original models, all of this below is understating the serverity.

Frankly I just think youre a troll, or head stuck in the ground not wanting to face reality.

www.who.int/…/climate-change-and-health

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/…/PMC10426332/

www.google.com/amp/s/…/rcna125187

ITypeWithMyDick,

When the vast majority of people are struggling just to survive on their ever weakening paychecks, where often even personal health becomes ignored, people dont have the economic, mental, or physical capability to do that. Or they may not even have the literally time available by working numerous jobs.

If it was going to happen, it would have already happened years/decades ago when scientists and environmentalists were already raising the alarms.

This is waiting until the entire kitchen in engulfed in flames before even considering turning off the oven. That option is long past. People are going to die. A lot of people. I cant stress how bad it is. A lot of fucking people are going to die, and many many more are going to suffer.

ITypeWithMyDick,

History is a big teacher, this issue is coming from the big boys of industry. Without major industry change it aint gonna happen, and worldwide as well. Even if the USA goes to 0 other countries can keep it going and offset any good we do.

Im not being a downer, im being real, its bad. Real bad.

dojan,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

If the USA goes to 0 (which is the most hilarious notion I’ve read all day) while other countries continue per the status quo, that still makes a difference. It helps to slow the increase, buying more time to actually solidify the numbers.

The thing is, while the consensus is that we need to do something, and that something needs to be done a lot, and fast, we don’t have any quantifiable numbers, just estimations that may be wildly underexaggerated.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Or even then. If it makes a penny less profit, it’s not going to happen.

ITypeWithMyDick,

Dont know why people are downvoting you. If it doesnt make money then it wont make change.

This isnt a fairytail. We arent promised a happy ending.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

Reality isn’t fun to think about when you know nothing you do matters.

homesweethomeMrL,

fairy tale

Scurouno,

The majority of fairy tales (as told throughout human history) do not have happy endings. They were typically told to teach or reinforce hard social truths to prepare young people for the world. The “fairy-tale ending” is really an anachronism of modern, capitalistic story telling. Happy fantasy sells, and reinforces myths that benefit the elite, such as upward social and financial mobility (see Jane Austin, or every Disney movie), and the opportunity to become part of the landed gentry. The belief that everything always works out is itself a major piece of the capitalists propaganda machine, and because we fall for this, we keep making decisions against out best interests - We are all just one fateful encounter away from becoming rich or famous after all.

GreyEyedGhost,

This has not always been the case, nor does it have to be now. I’m not what has to be done to get government officials on board, but if that doesn’t change soon the future looks pretty bleak.

tsonfeir,
@tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

I just can’t imagine our current political systems being capable of passing enough laws and regulations to turn it around. We have to have nearly the entire planet to agree on something?! Fuck.

homesweethomeMrL,

you misspelled republiQans

helenslunch, (edited )

It does have to be. Because humans continue to make that decision, day in and day out, and ignore graphs like this. They ignore the blistering hot unprecedented Summer temps, the Arctic blasts, the hurricanes, the hailstorms, the increased insurance rates or even the unavailability of insurance altogether. They just keep driving their F150s to the office in rush hour traffic while heating hundreds of gallons of water in their pools that go unused 99.9% of the time.

Veraxus,

It’s entirely a billionaire decision.

Most of us humans have no power over this.

Teppichbrand,

“I alone can’t change anything” is a hastily spoken excuse to shift responsibility onto others. But you are responsible for your life and your actions.
8 billion people on the planet understanding our future and changing the way we live is possible. Be a good example, because you can.

zbyte64,

Have you tried eating the rich by yourself? It really helps to have others hold em down.

SuperTulle,

At least billionaires are getting richer

youngGoku,

My wife told me I was a doomer gloomer for not wanting to have kids due to climate uncertainty. I wanted to adopt instead.

I’m terrified of how the world will look over the next century for my 6 month old son.

NineMileTower,

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    JudahBenHur,

    …can’t tell if serious

    Pyr_Pressure,

    Obviously he should just kill his adopted kid

    ExFed,

    Can’t be going and adopting kids all willy nilly, or else the adoption factories might ramp up production!

    /s

    Sweetpeaches69,

    Assuming you’re asking in good faith, the difference would be helping someone through this hell-hole that’s already here, and was disadvantaged at the start. As opposed to bringing someone in.

    meco03211,

    On top of that, having kids carries a massive carbon footprint. An adopted kid is already penciled in for that. I’d even wager a kid in the system would be more of a burden on carbon levels than one in a home.

    Crowfiend,

    NineMilesOfStupid

    cyberpunk007,

    The user is interpreting it as the OP wanted to not have kids because of climate uncertainty - did not want to raise a kid that would have to deal with the climate. So instead they adopted a kid to raise someone else’s kid in a world where they would have to deal with the climate.

    I think OP is implying reduction of population but the comment kinda reads weird.

    TheBat,
    @TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

    You gave in, huh?

    GreenEnigma,

    Is his name Max Rockatansky? If so he’ll be fine.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    what’s happening?

    helenslunch,

    Climate change.

    KISSmyOSFeddit,

    If you read the article, climate change + El Nino + reduced aerosols in the atmosphere + a volcano eruption + a yet unknown factor, which the article is about.

    helenslunch,

    Yes but all of those other items are not new, and thus not really responsible.

    homesweethomeMrL,

    Fair, and bonus points for RTFA.

    That said - we know what it’s about. That graph isn’t new. We did this last year too.

    TropicalDingdong,

    Instead of the bathwater cooling off after the tubs been filled, its heating up. We don’t understand why.

    tsonfeir,
    @tsonfeir@lemm.ee avatar

    No body understand the ocean. 🤪

    Jumi,

    We will be a footnote in Earth’s history, a dead branch on the tree of evolution

    intrepid,

    Our species is like a nuclear reactor that went out of control.

    Jumi,

    I like that description

    rusticus, (edited )

    Narrator: The world became uninhabitable. But for a short time, it created tremendous value for our shareholders.

    filister,

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    ediculous,

    What you doin milking your house?

    GreenEnigma,

    His house has nipples?

    set_secret, (edited )

    Well i’m not a scientist (actually I am, but not a climate scientist), but im gunna take a wild flailing stab in the dark and suggest it’s maybe due to unfettered fossil fuel emissions.

    Call me crazy but i think this might be what’s happening here.

    KneeTitts,
    @KneeTitts@lemmy.world avatar

    Couldnt El Nino also be a contributing factor this year?

    geophysicist,

    we should really wait until we have more evidence before making such wild and unfounded statements

    postmateDumbass,

    Nah, its the avacado toast.

    Siegfried,

    What makes you so sure? As I see it, it could be that or illegals… maybe there is a synergistic relationship beetween the two?

    Langehund, (edited )

    what’s happening?

    Gettin hotter, innit?

    wabafee,
    @wabafee@lemmy.world avatar

    First time?

    mojofrododojo,

    we’re all the frogs in god’s slowly boiling kettle.

    Fortunately Exxon et al made STELLAR profits for damn near a century, it only cost us the one viable ecosystem we have in the entire known universe.

    Tsk. Well profits have to be made, it’s capitalism. Can’t argue with that.

    silence7,

    https://www.newyorker.com/cartoon/a16995

    riodoro1,

    Have fun while you can guys. Shits gonna get rough sooner than we all think

    novibe,

    What’s… happening? What’s happening?? Bro…

    Scrof,

    The beginning of the end, obviously. Dinosaurs 2.0 shall inherit the Earth since they’re fine with a shitton of CO2 in the atmosphere and warmer everything.

    Etterra,

    Meh humanity had a good run.

    SkaveRat,

    gg no re

    danc4498,

    Hurricane season gone be fun!

    JeffKerman1999,

    Who knows maybe we get to experience that also in Europe!

    Siegfried,

    Good thing that I don’t have children to experience the fucking Apokalypse

    KneeTitts,
    @KneeTitts@lemmy.world avatar

    I wouldnt worry about that, you and I are likely to experience it ourselves

    thorbot,

    This is why I didn’t have children

    KnowledgeableNip,

    I was watching a video about past extinctions and they had a line where the oceans warmed two degrees over two million years, which was just about enough time for the ecosystems to evolve and adapt.

    Look at what we’ve done in two hundred.

    cyberpunk007,

    I would love to watch that, do you have a link or know where I can view this?

    KnowledgeableNip,

    It was Kurzgesagt. Which was even more troubling since they are pretty reputable and they’ve done videos on the past trying to spur hopes on climate change. It seemed like a weird little factoid thrown into the mix rather than something directly related to current events.

    Jakeroxs,

    I went down a wiki rabbit hole a few weeks back, I found this graph very interesting en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

    Naz,

    Humanity! Fuck yeah! Only in 200 years!

    invisiblegorilla,

    We fucked it… Plain and simple…

    Teppichbrand, (edited )

    This is not a good answer. 10 years ago nobody cared and we kept doing what we always did. Now everyone realises humanity is facing a severe survival-problem in the near future and people instantly switch from denying it to accepting it. Please don’t! There are so many things one can do to fight our collapse. Apathy, catastrophism and cynicism gives power to the fossil destroyers. Don’t let those fuckers win, go solarpunk on them! Take your money to a green, ethical bank, go vegan, grow potatoes with your neighborhood, repair stuff and blow up a pipeline.
    In a strange way, the global heating gives our lifes way more meaning than 30 years ago, when nothing mattered and we just kept buying toys until we die.

    Burn_The_Right,

    Unfortunately, there is no peaceful solution. Conservative greed cannot be stopped by pacifism. Physical force will be required. Because we don’t talk openly about this, most normal people cannot see a way to win.

    The rules that benefit conservative corporations are designed for us to follow all the way to our graves. One cannot step out of line without risking health, home or freedom. Protests are ineffective. Action is required - widespread action that would require coordination and communication.

    We aren’t allowed to communicate openly about the specific actions needed, as those actions break the rules. So it is perfectly reasonable for people to recognize the impending loss, given the obviously ineffective options we are presented.

    invisiblegorilla,

    You lost me when you mentioned veganism. With you for the rest

    ndru,

    The meat industry is a huge driver of climate change. If you don’t want to stop eating meat, you can also choose to eat meat from local farmers. It will probably mean eating less of it, because sustainably farmed meat is necessarily expensive.

    invisiblegorilla,

    Vegans unite. Downvoting me because I won’t change my diet you fucking losers. Haha.

    I do eat locally produced meat and shop at farmers markets for the most part. I’m not going vegan.

    Teppichbrand,

    Transport routes are very efficient, and for food, they are responsible for a maximum of 2% of CO2 emissions.

    Burn_The_Right,

    Selfish and arrogant? Nice.

    invisiblegorilla,

    (•_•)

    Teppichbrand,

    Why?

    invisiblegorilla, (edited )

    I’m an omnivore who enjoys meat. I would hunt my food if it was an option to me. I eat meat with most meals. I’ve travelled and spent a chunk of time in places like India where I didn’t eat a lot of meat at all and lived on dal fry (lentils) and whatever else was commonly available. It was fine, but I’m not designed to live on salad, beans and tofu alone.

    Thats not to say I’m blind to problems in the meat industry, I’m sure someone will mention methane or whatever else, plus there’s clearly a serious amount of waste, and a fuck-tonne of animal cruelty (the concept of breeding life for food is probably cruel, right?)… I don’t believe in battery farms or any of that. I’d prefer hundreds of self sufficient permaculture food farms, with a varied and healthy ecosystem instead of monoculture savaging the lands nutrients.

    The problem is similar to oil. We know they are the largest polluters but we still need to drive to some job - public transport isn’t available/suitable for everyone, and electric vehicles aren’t cheap enough to the majority of people (batteries are creating its own problems with lithium mines among other things).

    I have a problem with veganism as I feel its an extreme attitude anyway. Great if it works for you but its not a catch all diet. Vegetarianism is more realistic, but vegans are the worst representatives for veganism. I’ve never met one who wasn’t preachy and somewhat judgemental about it.

    I’m all up for constructive debate about big issues. The problem is one of power. We as the people have the collective bargaining power to fix everything, to fight our governments honestly and constructively. yet year after year, election after election, there is an absolute lack of a real and correct public response beyond a few vocal outrages or violence/riots which doesn’t help… And what’s worse, is when you do get a good spokesman for a cause, you end up hating them for whatever reason. Half the time its from media bias, but even without that, hearing them passionately fight for something, people turn against them. They become annoying and the cause is lost. Governments are full of self serving snobs and can delay things long enough nothing happens. So we always just sit and wait.

    I digress, right?! But its all the same collective issue/attitude and the scam on the public is the same trick every single time. We are kept on the breadline so we can’t afford to fight back. You or whomever is telling me to go vegan when thats really not the issue. Don’t even get me started on palm oil.

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