I caught it last week after three years evading all the other variants. My husband brought it home from his delivery job, and he was fully vaccinated and boosted.
Shit sucks yo. I mostly feel better now after ~2-3 days of hell last weekend, but I'm tired and the cough just won't go away. My continued existence is enabled only by all the tea, ramen, cough drops, and menthol vapor products I'm consuming.
The ongoing problem with new variants is that vaccine research has to forecast which mutations are going to be dominant by the time that the research has been undertaken. The boosters from a year ago were focused on BA5, but the latest EG5 variant quickly becoming dominant is from the XBB path. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-summary
In a way, people are right. It's just the flu now. Not in symptoms or severity, but in the way that we'll just have to keep doing regular vaccinations.
Yes, jackass. That is what I am advocating. A world without the ravages and suffering of death and long covid.
People who don't want to be vaccinated (as is their right) should be given food deliveries so they can shelter at home.
I obviously support bodily autonomy, but not the right to fill communal air with death.
Some people might call "stay at home or get vaccinated" house arrest. They could go right on calling it that.
So long as they're vaccinated, they can even call it that in public.
I prefer to think of it as a bank holiday with bullets.
A fun little stay-cation enforced through violence.
I prefer a world where people are forced with guns to care for their fellow humans and deal with communal problems than one where people are forced with gun to continually get infected with a disease that destroys the mind, heart, and blood vessels.
...you know, like the threat of eviction and prison if you don't let your employer infect you.
I think a world where these people are stopped from spreading plague is preferable to one where theseguys are stopped from "jay walking".
You call me a psychopath all you want.
You are the one arguing for massive death and physical/mental debilitation.
You're arguing for a world where the poor are made to die for the rich while smiling, which I think is way more horrific than a little temporary social cooperation gently enforced by copper-jacketed steel.
I consider forced quarantine and vaccination society-wide self-defense.
I also find it far more justifiable than "lets ban masks at schools and work and infect every single person as quickly and as often as possible".
Your position is far more violent and to a much more horrific end than mine.
I read your other long thread with that other guy, and I’m 100% not going to be debating anything with you. You are clearly delusional and horrifically authoritarian by wanting to shoot innocent people (who, I’m sure you are going to say aren’t innocent people).
This is why we are completely screwed if a bird flu or other highly transmissible but more deadly than Covid virus starts spreading. There are people who not only will not follow basic health and safety guidelines, they will actively fight, and sabotage other's attempts at following the guidelines.
The other part of the equation is that if the wealthier countries had not only shut down but quickly provided vaccines for poorer more densely populated countries, the spread would also have been lessened.
I find it hilarious (at least you'll laugh until you cry, and/or die) how for some, consent simply does not matter whatsoever.
Have many of the symptoms? Wonder if it's COVID? Enough to go get tested for it at least? And THEN go to visit your 90-year-old granny's house, not bothering to tell her that? Knowing full well that she was just recovering from various sicknesses herself and so has a weak immune system? Edit: oh, and let's say just after the vaccine was invented but before many people were able to get it yet.
In that case, then you MIGHT be ARE a Republican. It is shocking to me how the death tolls were not much larger than they were... except they WERE, and we will never know by how much be of all the misrepresention of the deaths as "old age" or "diabetes", bc obviously it simply could NOT have been COVID (except... remind me again why not?).
Whether you choose to think it's "merely the flu" or not, why doesn't the recipient's concerns matter AT ALL!?
See, I told you it was "funny" - don't you see how "hilarious" it all is? not at all akin to murder in any way, nope, not at all
Nope, there was never a chance for us to eliminate it. By the time we even knew it existed Covid had been spreading worldwide for over 2 months (initial spread Oct-Nov 2019, discovered late Dec 2019), so there were a lot of unreported cases everywhere.
And once it’s in a household it takes way longer than 2 weeks to eliminate due to delayed spread between household members. Also some people stay contagious for months.
And I’m all for the vaccines, but they also don’t stop covid, they make it harder to get and reduce symptoms, but you can still get it and spread it even with the vaccine.
The two weeks and it’s gone was a fantasy to sell people on lockdowns to slow down covid, it was never going to eliminate it.
"They never would have worked" is a lie told by people unwilling to shoot violators.
We could have ended it through a (relative to the length of the still ongoing pandemic) short period of massive testing and quarantine, like what Vietnam did.
Instead white people had to be waited on by wage employees so their could feel important and now millions of people are permanently disabled.
Nope, covid was way too widespread, and exists in multiple animal species, meaning it can easily jump back to humans even if we got rid of it in our populations (which would never have happened).
In all of human history we’ve eliminated a single disease, Smallpox, and it doesn’t spread through the air. Yet you think a few weeks lockdown would have actually gotten rid of a far more transmissible airborne illness? Get real.
Yes there was and you don't have the wherewithal to carry it out.
"Animal reservoirs" is the refuge of someone who never wanted to shut down in the first place and fought restrictions the entire way. We neverhad to "live with Covid".
Why are you so hung up on killing everybody anyway?
We can test people. We can test animals. We can vaccinate both. We can isolate people and things.
We could have controlled this. We chose—Chose—to exacerbate things.
You’re the one who said we have enough bullets to stop it, it’s you who suggested killing everyone.
Whoa there I suggested massive testing, vaccination, and isolation at the barrel of a gun. You're the one who thinks those methods can't work and we have to jump straight to slaughtering everyone.
We have been trying to eliminate the flu for over a hundred years
And there were assholes like you antagonistic to even trying the whole time.
Nope, we could not. It’s a rapidly spreading airborne illness
Vaccination, isolation, testing.
It could have been done.
All you "can't" fuckos trail off before "...while still maintaining capitalist production modes" like I should care.
Then why do we need enough bullets? You suggested we should kill people, not me.
And I’m not antagonistic, I’m a scientist who actually understands how diseases work, unlike you apparently. And I was early in line to get vaccinated, and boosted.
And you think non-capitalist production modes could have mass produced billions upon billions of vaccines and tests in the early months of Covid spreading, before such things were even developed? Because that was impossible.
Sorry to shit on your rather short-sighted worldview, but it’s entirely wrong.
By shooting people? If you’re not going to shoot people, you don’t need bullets. So again, you are the one who implied we should be killing people to stop covid.
And hey, if you’re using guns to enforce a quarantine, that means you have people out during quarantine to do the enforcing, people who might actually have covid because once again covid is asymptomatic in 50% of people.
You also still need people out farming, delivering food, running power plants, maintaining infrastructure, etc… All of whom could have asympotmatic covid.
Doesn’t matter if you have capitalism or socialism, when covid was initially spreading we had no easy way to test for it (we were stuck using PCR, which is time consuming and uses lots of resources), and we didn’t have a vaccine because it wasn’t invented yet.
Do you think socialism can just magically make an invention appear immediately, and magically make the necessary resources to make it show up?
And whose making these things? Oh, workers, who might have covid, and might spread it to each other.
There is no eliminating airborne illnesses, and I don’t know how you still don’t get that?
You should go back to school and get a doctorate in shutting the fuck up.
By shooting people?
If they break quarantine. Christ. Read. That does not say as you keep insinuating "shoot everyone right away".
And hey, if you’re using guns to enforce a quarantine, that means you have people out during quarantine to do the enforcing, people who might actually have covid because once again covid is asymptomatic in 50% of people.
Hazmat suits, testing.
You also still need people out farming, delivering food, running power plants, maintaining infrastructure, etc…
Hazmat suits, testing, hazard pay.
There is no eliminating airborne illnesses
Not if you keep insisting your haircuts are more important than human lives.
Yes, your incredible maturity is so convincing right now, it’s making me fully agree with your baseless and incorrect viewpoint.
So you’re a-ok with killing people? Not cool to me, I’m pretty against shooting people. And to stop such a highly transmissible airborne illness, you would have to kill everyone eventually, because it can easily spread through quarantine through ventilation systems.
And where are we going to get enough hazmat suits and testing equipment? They do have to be made you know.
keep insisting your haircuts are more important than human lives.
You’re the one insisting we shoot people, I think you’re the one who doesn’t value human lives here.
You also want to kill off cats, deer, muskelids, bats, and many other animals, because no one is going to test every wild animal out there, it would be logistically impossible.
So you’re a-ok with killing people? Not cool to me
Yes. Yes the fuck it is. You are continuously advocating for the deaths of vulnerable populations by not controlling covid.
We are both advocating for killing people*, we just disagree on who and how many.
You want far more people dead, and without the option to just not spread plague to avoid it.
*although if people stay home like they're supposed to I'M not necessarily arguing for killing anyoneunlike you.
you’re the one who doesn’t value human lives
I'd ask how many people you're ok with covid taking to keep Arby open for a few weeks, but you'd deflect like you've been doing so I won't.
Are you aware of how immature you are? Because it is staggering, though somewhat entertaining. Like talking to an uneducated pre-teen.
And no, it’s not just a few weeks, it was never going to be just a few weeks. China went into hardcore, seal people in their condos lockdown for months, and covid didn’t go away.
Covid can remain active in apartments and condo buildings for months, spreading between units through ventilation.
There was a nursing home near me that had full lockdown between floors of the building, no one interacted with anyone from different floors, yet covid managed to spread between the floors, because it’s airborne.
Hell, I did hardcore lockdown for 4 months, didn’t see anyone other than my girlfriend I live with. Covid managed to survive through that, and keep spreading.
Lockdowns do not work to eliminate covid, they can only slow it down, but covid was always here to stay.
People kept getting haircuts and spreading plague on purpose (once they learned what populations bore the brunt of deaths).
You and your girlfriend sending a doordasher to a grocery store where people refuse to mask is not "a hardcore lockdown".
We absolutely could have stopped this, people like you just didn't want it stopped and now (as you currently are) are back-justifying that there was nothing we could have done anyway to justify "let 'er rip" thinking.
My city did the longest lockdown in the world, and it was a proper lockdown. No travel, no going out except for groceries and medication, all industries shut down.
doordasher to a grocery store
How exactly do you expect people to eat during your magical full-lockdown?
And once again, covid spreads through the air, which means it can move from condo unit to condo unit and spread, even in a full weld the doors shut lockdown. Unless you want to cut off people’s air and have them all suffocate I guess.
Seriously, how does your lockdown actually work, logistically? To allow people to actually survive it, while also doing it for long enough to actually eliminate covid, which would take several months due to inter-unit spread.
Given my province city didn’t allow people in, and city stayed lockdown for 4 months, yet local covid kept on chugging along, shows that 2 weeks is not enough even if done globally.
So people are out delivering food? That means people are out growing food, transporting food, preparing food, etc… That’s a lot of people, and that’s just in the food industry.
Where are we going to get all those hazmat suits? We didn’t have all that many pre-pandemic, so we need to make them to have enough for everyone who needs to go out. So we now have lots of people in factories making hazmat suits.
Also who is training people on the proper use of hazmat suits? Improperly used hazmats don’t work, so people need to be trained and periodically inspected on their proper use.
Who is building the HVACs? Who is mining the resources required to go into making them? Who is smelting and preparing those resources? Who is transporting those resources? Seems like a lot of people need to be working to make this happen.
And again you have millions of gun totting hazmat wearing quarantine police running around. Are they acting perfectly, and not asymptomatically spreading it when they get lazy?
All of this would take years to implement, retorfitting every single building with new HVAC systems would take years. Are you prepared to full lockdown for literal years?
And again, you still have to kill a very large chunk of the wild animal and pet population as well. Good luck finding and hunting down billions of deer and cats among other animals.
So no, it isn’t in any way theoretically possible.
No, you just don’t understand what it would take to actually eliminate a disease.
Please address my points, and how you would actually manage them, with the logistics of our actual world, not some fancy fantasy land you live in with unlimited resources and the ability to somehow do difficult installation labour on literally billions of homes at once.
I understand you would rather millions die and orders more be permanently disabled than do something about it (which we could have)
unlimited resources
We have close enough for jazz in this scenario if you factor out profit.
Of course people who benefit from us not factoring that out twist themselves and fact around to explain why so many people had to be made to die during this plague.
Seems pointless when you ignore mine. Kind of like you seem to ignore all the ongoing death.
You just want to stay convinced all the ongoing death is a good thing and I don't see why I should put effort into speaking with someone who doesn't even read links.
I'll keep smacking you down, but you aren't actually engaging so I won't be putting as much effort into it any more.
You jumped into "we could have handled this better" complaining about how it is impossible to control disease.
When told "Regardless if we can wipe it out" (which we can) "we'd have been better off with mandatory vaccinations and quarantine than with what we did do" you stuck on if it is theoretically possible to wipe out airborne disease (which, again, it is).
When you slipped up and admitted we yes absolutely could have wiped this out in as little as a few months ( as you and I could be hashing this out over a beer right now) you switched over to "We don't have enoug hhazmat suits!"
as if
That is even true (hint: it isn't)
It's impossible to build more.
I give very simple answers ("National Guard") and you either move to different points or misunderstand how manufacturing works.
You aren't interested in this debate, you just have to justify to yourself all the death you've been ok with.
..all while ignoring your schoolwork.
I have to tell you, if I was your professor and you were in my "Shut The Fuck Up" class, I'd have long since failed you.
You'll never get your doctorate at this rate.
This started because you said if we had just locked down for two weeks we wouldn’t be in this mess, heavily implying we could have eliminated covid. No explanation of how that would have worked.
(which we can)
How, with proper details and logistical support? How do we actually wipe it out, because so far I’ve disproven what you’ve said because it’s literally impossible at the scale needed to actually eliminate a disease.
theoretically possible to wipe out airborne disease (which, again, it is).
Which diseases have we managed to wipe out?
And of course it’s theoretically possible to eliminate disease, kill everyone and you no longer have disease. My point is it’s not realistically possible in any way to eliminate an airborne disease.
could have wiped this out in as little as a few months
Not what I said, I said it would take several months for spread to stop in a closed locked down condo building. You still have wild vectors to deal with, and spread from all your guards.
It’s impossible to build more
I didn’t say that, I asked you to tell me who is making them? And how are you preventing covid spread where they are being made? Where are you getting the materials to make them, and who is getting those materials to the factories? And again, how are you stopping spread in this system?
I give very simple answers (“National Guard”)
Simple because you fail to even consider any of the logistics behind it. Where are all the national guardsmen going to get their hazmat suits? How are you going to keep them perfectly in line? How are you going to deal with asymptomatic cases amongst them?
or misunderstand how manufacturing works.
No, that’s you. You seem to think hazmat suits and HVAC systems just magically appear out of nowhere. Explain to me, how in a few weeks of a new pandemic you’re going to get billions of these things manufactured and installed?
You aren’t interested in this debate
I am, you have yet to actually expand on the actual logistics of your imaginary full lockdown. Not simply, “oh the national guard will do it” but actual concrete logistics of how they will do it. Please, elaborate on how exactly this all works in your fantasy land.
And I already have my doctorate, in bioanalytical chemistry, as I told you. What’s your educational background?
…because you jumped into my notifications defending mass death
Because you said something stupid and incorrect. Don’t want people in your notifications, don’t post on social media.
You made a false statement. Two weeks would not have stopped us being in “this mess”
And in order to actually eliminate covid and get rid of “this mess,” you would need an incredible amount of mass death, killing anyone and anything that might have it in order to stop it.
I’m not defending mass death, I’m defending reality.
You keep saying it’s easy to eliminate an airborne illness, so why haven’t we ever managed to do it?
I want you to expand on the logistics of what you’ve suggested. How do we actually eliminate a disease like covid and get out of “this mess”? With actual logistics, not just hand wavy “national guard…” What is actually needed, and how do we do it? It’s apparently easy according to you, just two weeks and it’s done. So how do we do it?
Are you just gonna complain, ignore, deflect when the answer involves seizing private property?
I also question how deep you demand I pen this logistical plan you aren't going to read any more than I read your last post.
Not doing it, but like do you expect me to schedule each truck driver's shift?
Because Terry isn't sure when his baby's due and I still need to inquire about the hazmat certification Ron went out for Thursday last.
No, by real world I mean one in which billions of humans and trillions of animals live, and which has limited resources that still require labour to extract and process. That real world.
Assume pure socialism or communism in every country for your plan for all I care, the issue isn’t the economic system.
I’ve been reading your posts, and have pointed out flaws and holes in your plan you have failed to patch. Instead you just deflect, and change the subject or move the goalposts.
And you still haven’t even gone into any detail. You want a full lockdown enforced by hazmat suite wearing national guardsmen. Okay, who is making the suits, because they won;t just magically appear. How do you keep the people making the suits from spreading covid?
Covid spreads between condo and apartment units through ventilation. you suggest HVAC upgrades installed by gun totting hazmat suit wearing guards. Where are the HVAC systems coming from? We don’t just have billions lying around. Where are the technicians coming from? We need a lot of HVAC technicians to do the installations in the billions of homes worldwide.
I’m not asking for a day to day schedule, just some simple logistics for how you plan on making and distributing billions of pieces of specialized equipment, all while maintaining a tight lockdown.
You can’t even defend your side of the debate. I’m asking you to explain the simplest logistics of what you suggest, and you won’t even try. When will you understand that means your argument is wrong?
This is you being an asshole and trying to justify the mass death that resulted from the global covid response as impossible to avoid when it was very possible to avoid.
You should be less worried about replying to me and more worried about earning your Shut The Fuck Up degree.
You got a D- on your last assignment, recall?
I gave you reasons why a 2 week hard lockdown wouldn’t have worked to solve covid. You gave a new scenario where we needed a longer lockdown and rigorous testing. I pointed out flaws in that plan, and you then started insulting me instead of actually addressing those flaws.
Why won’t you answer the logistics questions of how your plan to lockdown the whole world and test every person and animal on it at gunpoint would work?
I’m not murderous, I masked, locked down, got vaccinated as soon as I could.
But there are absolutely no measures we could have taken that would have eliminated covid. We could only slow it down.
You need to learn about epidemiology, as well as logistics, because your suggestions of how we “could” have dealt with it would not work and I’m trying to get you to understand why.
And I have my degree, you can call me Doctor by the way.
I don’t need it, I’m very much qualified to keep talking. If anyone needs to learn to shut the fuck up, it’s you. You clearly have no maturity, no logical grasp of reality, and a complete refusal to be educated. It’s sad really.
You should really go to school yourself, you sound like an uneducated pre-teen.
I didn’t say it was impossible to fight covid, I said it was impossible to eliminate covid. And further steps to fight covid like you suggest are not only impossible to implement, but would have resulted in catastrophic deaths on their own.
No matter how hard we fought covid it spreads to well, and has too many vectors to eliminate. Us going into harder lockdown, and killing more people from lack of services, would have still resulted in endemic covid spreading like we see today.
You do know you can stop this conversation anytime you like. I just want you to think over the logistics of fighting an airborne illness that can easily spread between condos and building floors without any direct interaction between people, while existing in several wild species, and consider how that makes it an impossible fight. And your “suggestions” for solving those issues would not work, so either think of new suggestions, or accept you’re wrong.
Well if you stopped replying I wouldn’t be in your notifications. You only have yourself to blame.
No could you please educate me on the logistics of how we could have eradicated covid? Since you know so much on the matter, but have told me so very little, and given me no detail. I would really like to know.
You’re the one complaining I’m in your notifications, but I’m just replying to what you’re saying to me. Just end the conversation, I won’t send you any messages except to reply to you.
But since you’re still around, I want to tell you I know a lot about disease, it’s a huge part of my doctorate. It’s you who is lacking knowledge of diseases, and willfully incredibly ignorant about it.
I see you victim blame in covid death as well as online harassment.
Really weird how you interpret "Fuck off" as "keep going" but it's also weird how you're wrong about how disease control works so I guess that follows.
Never too late to fuck off, though.
I believe in you.
Why don't you try it now?
Go ahead, take the first step, be the bigger person.
Or actually engage with the very simple logistics questions I have about your plans. I’m not asking anything outside the scope of what you suggested, so I’m not sealioning you. I’m trying to understand how you will pull off installing new HVAC systems in every home, as you suggested.
Saying it’s cute to reply to me? That’s not harassment. Maybe you should just stop replying to me though, and then you won’t have to deal with me anymore.
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