Partly true about inviting foreigners. Japan has a trainee visa system that is abusive, as they always are, and is designed so that those employees (victims) never get citizenship. And it’s a single citizenship country, because of course it is. But hey, employers are very willing to bring in those laborers, since it’s cheaper than paying what the law requires.
And you can’t fix demographics with people who only stay for a year or two.
Even the most bigoted parts of the US are nowhere near as xenophobic as Japan. Housing discrimination based on race is still perfectly acceptable over there, many people will refuse to rent to foreigners.
In terms of raw numbers thee US has a huge population so it has more of everything, whether that's immigrants or murderers or doctors or pedophiles.
In perms of the percentage of its population tho, 15% is somewhere in the middle of the pack, well behind countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland etc.
Boasting that you have more immigration than random countries like Japan is just odd.
For the same reason we can’t take 15min without the context of the US’s size, smaller countries having larger percentages also need to be contextualized. The raw number does have some meaning here. It’s also about annual rate of immigration.
The US has been wavering between 16% and 15% for about a decade which is when I started taking an interest in this stuff. It's a fairly steady state.
My country has risen from 25% to 27% first generation migrants in that timeframe.
Per capita is a much more useful for comparing effects on total workforce etc.
It's not necessarily good or bad per se. I think there are so many variables at play, everything from type of migration, underlying birth rate of host country through to effect on housing stock and whether taxes and infrastructure can keep pace.
But yeah Biden's speech was just strange given that context.
It would be much more useful to look at it state-by-state as a few states are doing the heavy lifting. I say this as someone is decidedly pro-immigration. The logistics are no small matter
I live in Louisiana. Our only major experience with immigration was hurricane Katrina and they basically rebuilt our communities. I am eternally grateful.
Boasting that you have more immigration than random countries like Japan is just odd.
He's not boasting; he's saying that immigration would do a lot to solve their problems; and he's correct. I hate Biden's guts but he's correct here. For context Japan is a notoriously xenophobic country and currently sits at a 2%. They're not "a random country".
In perms of the percentage of its population tho, 15% is somewhere in the middle of the pack, well behind countries like Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland etc.
I mean people deciding to come to your country isn't proportional to your population, or really related at all. It'd be like expecting China to have the same 15% as the US (for context that'd be about 250 million people). That's just not how that works.
Pretty sure the US could let in a lot more immigrants if it wanted to.
I mean yes that's the case for everyone. I'm saying the number of people applying to immigration to the US isn't four times that of Germany, for example, so even if they accept people according to the exact same criteria Germany will have a bigger percentage.
Are you sure? I'd expect the number applying to the US would be hundreds of times higher than the number applying to New Zealand.
I don't especially love or hate Biden btw, I mean I can't stand US foriegn policy on the Gaza Genocide but it's not like their other mainstream politicians wouldn't have done more or less the same. It's a real pity the US hadn't been able to elect someone like Bernie Sanders.
I'd expect the number applying to the US would be hundreds of times higher than the number applying to New Zealand.
How so? Western, and especially Anglosphere, countries all get ridiculous amounts of immigrants. Also remember that New Zealand is a stone's toss away from South East Asia. It's a very attractive immigration destination for pacific islanders and Asians.
India is currently larger, shares a border, and has a lot more poverty. China doesn’t really need immigrants, though, they actually want and plan for population decline. Also, if they wanted a larger share of minorities they could simply stop persecuting them. Racism is basically state sponsored in China, they don’t have the same anti-discrimination laws that other countries have. Han Chinese are 93.94% of their population.
I think “extremely ethnocentric” is a more fair description/criticism of Japan. Close to 98% of their population is ethnically homogeneous, so it kinda makes sense.
Have you lived there? Not my experience. I felt like I was welcomed. I was welcomed into their cultural activities, I was welcomed into their homes. I did put effort into learning the language and the culture, and followed their norms to the best I can.
No, but a lot of other people have and you’re a definite minority saying that, so, X to doubt basically.
It’s not just people who don’t bother trying, either. BBC’s long term Japan correspondent wrote an article about it when he finally left, and I’m pretty sure he’s fluent.
… BBC’s long term Japan correspondent wrote an article about it when he finally left, and I’m pretty sure he’s fluent.
I wouldn’y be too sure about being fluent part. I am an Indian and I have seen bulk of so called indologists (professors in American and European academia) unable to pronounce common sanskrit words - despite writing bestsellers on the subject.
True. But I did mention that they were also friendly. I had no issue getting into all sorts of activities with them. From playing the Shamisen to practicing Sadō. I had lots of friends who would help me out in all sorts of things, such as the University entrance exam, moving stuff, and translation.
I’m speaking of my experiences of course. I come from a different cultural background (Arab). I lived in both the US and Japan, and in almost all aspects except employment and income, I prefer Japan. Your mileage may vary.
I shared that experience. I also was actively excluded from all sorts of things (including essential services) because I was a foreigner. Whenever a group of expats got together, at some point in the night, the conversation would be about how everyone got discriminated against recently.
China xenophobic? I don’t think Biden knows what the word means. The oldest mosque outside of the Middle East is in China of all places built in 627 CE, and still standing.
What happened to the mosques in Spain and Occupied Palestine? Turned into bars and chicken coops.
still a higher standard than many modern Western states such as Israel, or a modern democracy such as India, if the Chinese were xenophobic they could have demolished the mosque at any point in history, they didn’t
Okay I hate the West as much as any other guy, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. China 1400 years ago isn't in any way the same as China today. Nowadays it's that most Muslim Chinese groups are accepted as Chinese (the Hui are about as Chinese as the Han, for example) and that's why they can practice Islam in peace; otherwise you're treated like the Uighurs. Also foreigners in China are absolutely treated as outsiders; that's just a fact.
dynasties and ideologies came and went in China and the mosques still stand
what happened to mosques in Spain? what is happening to mosques in Occupied Palestine and India right now?
Islam is xeno (foreign) to China and yet you have mosques from the 7th and 8th centuries still standing
otherwise you’re treated like the Uighurs.
here’s an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven’t been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.
The Organisation of Islamic Cooperation report on the Uyghur did not find anything concerning, though the OIC has been criticized by Western rights groups. Interestingly, when it comes to Palestine the situation is reversed, where the OIC is speaking up but Western rights groups have been mostly silent. It is confusing seeing Anthony Blinken criticize China for the alleged genocide of Uyghurs, I haven’t seen any images or videos that suggest it is real, but unabashedly defend Israel’s actions which are clear and evident genocide.
Okay honestly as a fellow Muslim (I think you mentioned that somewhere else before???) what you're doing right now is actually shameful. Just a week ago one man was arrested because he was advising people to not drink or smoke. Uighurs are literally sent to concentration camps and are subjected to forced labor and there you are defending their treatment because you don't like the West. You need to rethink your priorities, seriously.
here’s an interesting fact, they are the only Turkic people who still use their centuries old script, and haven’t been secularized and westernized unlike Turks in the former USSR or Turkiye.
I mean yes that's the problem. Islam is no longer foreign to China; again the Hui are as Chinese as the Han. Islam is not, in fact, xeno in China. The Uighurs are, being Turkic people.
Western rights groups have been mostly silent.
What? The Palestinian cause has progressed light years thanks to the work of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. They came late to the party but they have not been silent, no way.
So you’re gonna minstrel out for the white man, parrot his bullshit when I know for a fact you’ve never once set foot near Xinjiang? Can you even pronounce Xinjiang? How about organizations of your presumed peers, since you wanna claim Islam like that, how about the OIC reports that found nothing worth talking about there? Why hasn’t anyone in the middle east chatted shit about the Uyghurs? 🦝 shit if you actually are what you claim to be.
Why hasn’t anyone in the middle east chatted shit about the Uyghurs?
Because there's absolutely no awareness about the issue here. Or about almost anything concerning Russia and China. People here thing Russia is their friend and Ukraine deserves it for having a Zionist president while forgetting that it's Russia behind Al Asad. Also China is, when all's said and done, on good terms with the Middle East and general Muslim world. I don't think anyone is too excited to damage that relation by acknowledging the Uighurs' suffering.
Jesus fuckin christ the last time I heard this much coonery in one place I was listening to Morehouse’s faculty breathlessly justifying Biden giving a commencement speech in the midst of a verifiable genocide he aids and abets. You really think no one in that region has put eyes on the Xinjiang situation? You really think we have issues with Ukraine over the Zionist issue first and foremost when we’ve been VERY LOUD ABOUT THE NAZIS IN THEIR BRIGADES?? You might as well be Anglo-Amerikan for how you’re talking right now.
There are a lot of people in South Korea that hates the US and Japan way more than the DPRK or China. There are still a strong anti-US sentiment in Okinawa and near US bases in Japan, these led to the 1960 and 1970 Anpo protests in Japan.
FFS. In a site where “news” = “stupid shit that happens in the US”, can something named “world news” exclude the US? Please? Does it need to be called “non US news”?
I know other countries are mentioned here. But it’s just the ramblings of dementia.
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