A Muslim cleric has been arrested on charges of blasphemy and hate speech in Indonesia after his decision to allow women to preach and pray beside men sparked a backlash in the world’s largest Muslim-majority nation.
Seems many people are misunderstanding the issue and bashing the religion. Islam allows women to be imams (leaders of congregations and prayers) but like conservative Judaism they can only lead groups of women in prayer. Mixed prayers of men and women are led by men.
Seems strange (understatement) to block them entirely from leading mixed gender groups. Why not give them the option to lead mixed groups if they want, or if they want a women-only group they can lead that as well?
To be clear, i’m against the sexism in the bible and any other religion as well
You may want to ask the islam sublemmy for a longer explanation, but the idea is that people should focus on their prayer and not get distracted staring at the opposite gender. That’s why Muslim men and women form two groups when they pray; women don’t want men ogling as they bend over etc. You see the same in conservative and orthodox synagogues; men and women sit on different sides. It’s a practical consideration.
Where do I find the religious side of lemmy? I always find people talking about religious culture super interesting, even though I’m far from religious.
A lot of subreddits are still copying over to Lemmy although they’re not as big as the originals yet. For example /r/islam has 100k members but !islam is very small so far.
You must be unfamiliar with the clothing women usually wear when praying. Its large, draping and for a pervert there is nothing to see.
If the concern really was men looking, Muhammad could have easily mandated women wear clothing that is appropriate for going for the sujood and rukhu instead of completely banning women becoming Imams for or being in mixed gender prayer.
Another simple solution is to have a screen upto the female imam’s hips for when she bows down and prostrates, if we insist on the jamaah not having mixed gender.
Ah, another one of those people who talks down to me about my own religion.
Go ahead and show me this mythical clothing you imagined up that is appropriate for sujood and rukoo and isn’t expensive. Muslims can pray anywhere and everywhere and now you’re talking about carrying around some kind of screen? Come on.
I’m an exmuslims so I have just as much exposure to Islam and muslim societies as you do.
The clothing I had in mind is a prayer gown called a “telekung” and its used by women in south-east asia. Sort of like an abaya but the headwear is long and goes below the hips. From what Ive seen of mixed gender prayers, many women wrap clothing around their hips to have the same effect for when they bow down.
Wat do women wear when they pray where you live that has you thinking it would be inappropriate if they lead?
Women aren’t allowed to lead men in prayer but men are allowed to lead women in prayer. I love how male Muslim apologists use their own lack of personal responsibility to justify the systematic disenfranchisement of women the same way Roman Catholics and Orthodox Jews do. It’s almost like messianic received religion is the core issue and less religious societies have less sexual and physical violence towards women.
Muhammad forbid that women gain equal standing with men in the Muslim world...Christ forbid that women gain equal standing in the Christian world....Yeshua forbid that women gain equal standing in the Jewish world...
My knowledge on the bible is not too detailed, but could I ask, where Christ forbade the equal standing of women? If I remember right he said to the women they are not less than men, and even let them travel with him. I could be wrong tho.
He was cool about women, but still travelled with 12 dudes. The 4 gospels set up the mythology and philosophy. The letters from Paul set the rules. The later books just went wild.
Oh I watched that, that’s actually the first time I learned anything about indonesia, that there was a coup by gangsters. What a startling and troubling doc. And that crazy scene at the end where one of the guys starts to crack while they’re making a doc of their crimes? Yeawow.
300 million Muslims? I still haven’t made it to Indonesia, I usually do my research on site when I travel. By “They outnumber Arabs”, do you mean that the 300 million Muslims in Indonesia number all Arab Muslims? Aren’t there like a billion?
Wow. Okay. So Islam started in the Middle East… I’ve never studied the demographics, so I’m just trying to put this together now with Indonesia being the largest majority Muslim country, so Islam started in the middle east but then it just exploded and it’s everywhere sort of distributed equally around the world?
Did that happen with other major religions? Cuz with Christianity, we have Italy, Europe, US, and then with Judaism we have Israel, Western Europe, US.
But with Judaism and Christianity the largest proportion of followers still follow a track from the area where the religion started, right?
Well the Middle East has one of the highest concentrations of Muslims in the world (Saudi Arabia is 90% Muslim) but most Muslims are outside the Middle East, in Asia and Africa. (China has twice as many Muslims as Saudi.) The religion grew mainly through trade and missionaries.
That’s really interesting. I guess I just didn’t realize until now that the population of Indonesia was almost 8 times the size of Saudi Arabia. The more you know.
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