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CookieJarObserver, in Germany refuses to take any more EU migrants as boats forced to queue in Italian docks

Good, if we’d take them the next election would go straight to AFD.

Downcount,

Yeah right. If we all act like the afd wants us to act, they don’t need to be in power. Nice logic.

CookieJarObserver,

Its not acting like afd to not take any more illigal immigrants, it would be if we put them in camps together with all Muslims and ship them back. Wich we don’t do.

Downcount,

No human being is illegal.

CookieJarObserver,

A human by itself not, but they did something illegal. Like illigal drug dealers vs pharmacists, one is legal the other isn’t.

Downcount,

It’s STILL not good, as you stated. Not good in any way. Do you know, what it does mean, if other countries don’t take the people arriving at the south coasts of Europe?

CookieJarObserver,

How about not letting them arrive?

Downcount,

I guess empathy isn’t a thing anymore.

BTW: pushbacks are often murder

Amoxtli,

You have too much “humanity” to even criticize the humans.

Downcount,

What a nonsense phrase. Also pretty late to the party.

CookieJarObserver,

Its not our problem and if the’d just stop trying to enter EU illegally we wouldn’t have the problem.

Downcount,

Yeah. Who cares about dying people, we could save.

What an utterly egoistic and unhuman point of view.

I bet my ass you would be under the first waves of people to flee / migrate if there would be major crisis in your land with no forseable end for the next 20 years.

CookieJarObserver,

We can’t save them, we have our own problems and if its not politically possible, than that’s it. Otherwise we risk far right gaining more and more voters.

And no. Id rather bite the dust than leave my house. Also, if everyone runs away there is of course no future.

Downcount,

We can not only save them (that’s what asylum stands for) we also should not actually kill them by sending them back.

Also you shouldn’t be afraid of the far right. You actually have much in common.

CookieJarObserver,

No, we can’t afford to give them asylum, we have shit loads of problems with those that are already here.

You haven’t awnserd to the point of them leaving when they could fix stuff.

We send them back to countries considered safe.

And no, i don’t have much in common with right wing for saying that illigal immigrants are illegal. We have borders for a reason.

Downcount,

What problem do we actually have that cannot be solved anymore by taking them in. What problem do you have, by letting them in.

And no, those people fleeing can’t solve the problems of their own region. Otherwise they wouldn’t leave their home. Also: Many problem those country have are not home made, but do origin in countries like the USA, Germany and many other rich countries.

And yes: Your world view is very far right. Accept it or not, I don’t care as I might not change your non altruistic thinking.

CookieJarObserver,

Arguing with someone like you is like arguing with a wall, your ideals can’t be changed and your grasp on reality is barely existing.

Amoxtli,

You can’t help the world. Death is part of life. There is nothing you can do to stop it. Death is a certainty, but do you want to support millions, if not billions, of people who can’t feed or have trouble feeding themselves? You seem to have an affinity for certain type of people, who make up the majority of humanity.

Downcount,

LOL, dumb troll

Amoxtli,

What is so special about being a human? What religion you believe in?

MyPornViewingAccount, in Xi’s Warm Embrace of Putin in China Is a Defiance of the West

Its not so much in defiance as much as embracing his new pet as you or I would comfort our dog. Russia will be totally dependent on China for everything at the end of this.

Amoxtli, in Nearly 7000 people arrive at Italian island in less than 24 hours

Malthusian Equilibrium in action.

Amoxtli, in Germany refuses to take any more EU migrants as boats forced to queue in Italian docks

Migrants boost the GDP of Germany, do they not know it is in their interest to have them?

Amoxtli, in Argentina's Peronists soar in election to seal run-off with radical Milei

Argentinians can’t live without their subsidies.

southsamurai, in California Has Spent Over $4M In Taxpayer Dollars On Gender Surgeries For Prisoners
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Good.

Being in prison does not mean you should lose access to medical care, period. Doesn’t matter what it’s treating.

Any jackass saying otherwise should be shoved in prison without access to medical care, just so they can see what it’s like.

Amoxtli,

Medical care? Are you admitting it is a disease or something?

PoTayToes, in California Has Spent Over $4M In Taxpayer Dollars On Gender Surgeries For Prisoners
Amoxtli,

How do we know that website is legit? What is the bias of that website.

Amoxtli, in California Has Spent Over $4M In Taxpayer Dollars On Gender Surgeries For Prisoners

California is its own state. I support state rights and greater state power. If they want to do things like this, this is fine.

jabathekek, in California Has Spent Over $4M In Taxpayer Dollars On Gender Surgeries For Prisoners
@jabathekek@sopuli.xyz avatar

Good for them. Believe it or not, prisoners are still human.

Amoxtli,

Do you believe MAGA are human?

Rentlar, in Exclusive: Toyota repeatedly halted Mexico plant after suppliers hit by worker shortage, sources say

¡Sindicaramos!

sugar_in_your_tea, in Google blasted for AI that refuses to say how many Jews were killed by the Nazis

How about this: don’t censor stuff.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

I’m actually wondering what is censorship. Because if you are going to include every nonsense blog and asshat that has some unfounded garbage to spew, the quality of your product will potentially be garbage. So you end up with the question on what sources to include, and you probably end up with authorative sources that are regarded higher.

The issue we already see with Google search is that seo spam and generated websites that all form a large circle jerk are setup to fool the algorithm. This will be the case for llms as well. The longer they are in use the better people will understand how to game the system. And then bad actors will get these things to say whatever they want.

I don’t know a solution, but my guess is that it lies in what used to happen for the encyclopedia Britannica etc… large pools of experts that curate the underlaying sources. Like in libraries etc.

Taleya,

Pity we’ve spent the past generation or so destroying critical thinking skills and factchecks

JackGreenEarth,

Censorship is simply intentionally limiting the information that someone else has available to them, and it is bad. Let them curate their own information, that’s fine, but they should have choice over what they see.

Badeendje,
@Badeendje@lemmy.world avatar

I disagree. The whole “buyer beware” does not work. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but not to their own facts. Plenty of people out there are not able to curate their own content and rely on others to do it for them. Librarians, curators, there are jobs specifically for that purpose.

I think it is time… no overdue, that proper curation takes over again. But the task is so enormous that it will be a challenge to figure out how this is done properly. And… commercial entities will always have incentives that are not aligned with that of the broader populace… so there is that.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Nah, I think the solution is simpler: multiple competing algorithms. Gaming one system is pretty easy, gaming 5 isn’t. So if a search company wants to always have the top results, they need to swap between a handful of good search algorithms to keep SEO hunters at bay.

Hiring experts is certainly a good idea, but due to the sheer size of the internet, it’s not going to be feasible.

As for the original discussion about censorship in search, I take it to mean intentional hiding or demotion of relevant results due to the content of those results. SEO spam isn’t relevant because it’s not what the customer is likely wanting, so hiding/demoting it doesn’t count as censorship imo.

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

Would be great but it’s rampant, even here on Lemmy.

webghost0101,

Individual instances can and do but decentralization means everyone can spin one up with your own rules.

I bet if you looked around there be plenty of lawless absolutist instances that allow all manners of free speech but non will adhere exactly to your own moral ideals besides the one you made yourself.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Ideally the user would be in complete control of what gets censored for them. The service should simply flag content by category and the user could selectively show/hide content.

yildolw,

If you train your large language model on all the internet’s bullshit and don’t want bullshit to come out, there’s not a lot of good options. Garbage in, garbage out

sugar_in_your_tea,

That kind of fits my opinion of LLMs in general. :)

Gladaed,

Then you should say that instead of a reductive “don’t censor”. Censorship is important because you want to avoid false and harmful statements.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Definition:

censor: to examine in order to suppress or delete anything considered objectionable

Removing false information isn’t the same as removing objectionable information.

Gladaed,

But it is a subset of objectionable information.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Definition:

objectionable: undesirable, offensive

Yes, false information is technically undesirable, but that’s not really what that word is trying to convey. The goal should be accurate information, not agreeable information. If the truth is objectionable/offensive, it should still be easily findable.

Crampon, in Google blasted for AI that refuses to say how many Jews were killed by the Nazis

The same ai that made racially diverse Nazis? Why are Google so keen on rewriting history?

IzzyScissor,

Those preventing history from being taught intend to repeat it.

theburninator, in Google blasted for AI that refuses to say how many Jews were killed by the Nazis

My google home started answering as soon as the guy on video asked. I’m in the US.

Atomic, in Google blasted for AI that refuses to say how many Jews were killed by the Nazis

Maybe it’s regional or something. I’m in Sweden and my nest have no problems answering questions about the holocaust and will happily quote Wikipedia for anything you ask

DrBob, in SHILLING: Eight passengers stranded on African island after Norwegian cruise ship left without them end up rescuing 80 year old woman also abandoned by Norwegian

This is a little less dickish than it sounds. They were late returning from a private event, and so the ship left their passports with the port agent. If the ship misses the tide it’s a 12 hour delay for everyone and probably means missing another port of call. No assholes here

Mycatiskai,

There is a reason you only go on excursions provided by the cruise ship company. You pay more but they won’t leave you behind, if you take a private tour you run the risk of not getting back on time and being left behind.

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