adamgreenfield, to random
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Looks like it’s Sunday, and that means it’s time for another thread. I’m intensely mindful that I’ve been talking about the book Quite A Lot lately, so I’m thinking of dialing back on the frequency of these posts a tad – you’ll let me know if that sounds right. But for today, let’s talk about one of my favorite aspects of the book, which is the chance it finally afforded me to affirm in my writing an intensely material, hands-on flavor of politics that descends from the DIY/DIT 1960s.

adamgreenfield,
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And what was very clear to me, and most exciting, was that people equipped with these alternative technics could step outside of the monstrous waste and inhumanity it was even then clear to me (at the age of 13, in 1981-82) was the purpose and motor of the mainstream economy. It would be years before I heard the expression , but I already understood the truth it encapsulated, and I wanted nothing to do with the purpose I saw unfolding in the world.

shrugdealer, to random
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Old post, but it still rings true. People love to tell others how to be better at being poor, how they can not be poor, etc., when the issues are built into the system itself. Capitalism is unfair, exploitative & destructive. We've tried it and it doesn't work. We need better.

courtcan,
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@shrugdealer The purpose of a system is what the system does.

The system we're in keeps certain people impoverished. That is our system's purpose.

AdrianRiskin, to random
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"The notion that there is a clear division between state forces and crime groups—that corruption and collaboration are the work of a few bad apples—is a hegemonic idea promoted by nation-states and the mainstream media. Undoing this binary means learning from the people whose lives have been directly affected by armed groups whose activity is carried out with impunity. Impunity is not the result of a weak or deficient state, but rather it is actively provided to the gamut of armed groups who commit crimes and acts of terror against citizens, migrants, and the poor. The provision of impunity to armed actors who are politically aligned with capitalism is part of a modern nation state’s raison d’etre."

Drug War Capitalism by Dawn Paley

https://search.worldcat.org/title/871789626

adamgreenfield, to random
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Not that he was perfect, or anything of the sort, but I cannot express the joy it gives me to see Stafford Beer’s watchword “the purpose of a system is what it does” at long last pass into common usage, especially among folks with no obvious reason to know who Stafford Beer was. It’s been a vital analytical tool for me this past quarter-century, in all kinds of circumstances.

courtcan,
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@adamgreenfield I learned of the concept of for the first time just a few weeks ago -- here on Mastodon. The whole concept blew my mind. It explains so much of the insanity and awfulness we collectively live in.

eyesquash, to random
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Reading the other site, which always upsets me, about Israel's effort to eliminate Hamas, I am reminded that the Purpose Of a System Is What It Does.

karlauerbach, to random
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There is nothing in the laws of nature that require our national procedures or national institutions to be as they are.

They are human creations and we, the people, can change them.

We can change SCOTUS. We can change our laws.

As Shakespeare wrote in The Tempest:

Whereof what's past is prologue, what to come
In yours and my discharge.

It is my sense that if we get past the TFG disease that our nation is in great need of serious and deep reconstruction.

courtcan,
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@GhostOnTheHalfShell @karlauerbach "The purpose of a system is what it does. This is a basic dictum. It stands for bald fact, which makes a better starting point in seeking understanding than the familiar attributions of good intention, prejudices about expectations, moral judgment, or sheer ignorance of circumstances."

--Stafford Beer

We don't need to restructure the system, because what it's doing is what it was designed for. We need to raze it to the ground and design better.

eyesquash, (edited ) to random
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The purpose [edit: OF A] system is what it does.

Armadillosoft, to random
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Heuristic: The Purpose Of a System Is What It Does ()

Corollary: There's "no point in claiming that the purpose of a system is to do what it constantly fails to do."

  • Stafford Beer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_purpose_of_a_system_is_what_it_does

So what purpose do "pro-life" laws that result in the deaths of both the pregnant woman and her baby serve?

v @yogthos

https://mas.to/@yogthos/111744697310417583

eyesquash, to random
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The purpose of capitalism is to increase the gap between people who work and people who own stuff.
(the purpose of a system is what it does)

FeralRobots, to random
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My Pillow dude has created a device to detect fraud that will sound an alarm in absolutely every polling place in the country, because it works by detecting WiFi signals. Which in American in 2023 are present pretty much everywhere.
applies: There is no reason to suppose he doesn't understand this; so it's likely the literal purpose is to sow FUD & incite violence.
https://www.rawstory.com/mike-lindell-election-fraud/
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