I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync’s developer, Lemmy’s developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home...
I bought this patch a couple of days ago from the Museum of Witchcraft and Magic in Boscastle, Cornwall, UK. I was wondering if it actually has any significance or meaning, or if it just looks cool....
I’m off on holiday tomorrow and will have basically no internet for over a week. So naturally I’m downloading all the media I can think of, just in case of downtime....
I’m looking for a paid cloud storage provider (like google drive, but not google drive) which is privacy minded, so with features like e2e encryption. I’ve been using Jottacloud to backup my large collection of photos. Jottacloud has been satisfactory, but I’ve heard other users complain of incomplete backups, where...
It could be kind of lame to poke fun at a site that I don’t use (anymore), but I find this funny enough to share: Goodreads has started changing and updating their site last year, but apparently they’ve broken a ton of things in the process, and now they’ve published an announcement with the list of 12 bugs they’re...
I can’t see the top story as I’m in the EU but the second one committed offences in 2008. From what I can tell, the TikToker is only recording ‘new’ cases i.e. cases where offences occurred after she started doing this. The third one you should definitley tell her about. There’s an email on her page.
I don’t think anyone can realistically suggest that any group of people is 100% pedo-free. There are pedo priests, pedo cops, pedo mums, pedo traffic wardens etc etc so there is going to be a non-zero amount of drag artists that are pedos simply by virtue of the fact that pedos exist unfortunately.
I don’t agree that the spirit of this meme is suggesting no drag artist has ever hurt a child and I think it’s pretty fair to say, based on the data that does exist (poor quality though it is) that drag artists, as a group of people, are extremely low on the offending against kids front.
The arguments being used by some to suggest drag artists, as a group, are dangerous to kids (and I’m not suggesting you’re one of the people doing this) could be applied to any group of people that come into contact with any other group of people. I mean, Dennis Rader used to be a census taker - does that mean census takers as a group are fair game to be treated as likely to murder people by torture?
Mate, I am totally not dog-piling you. I’m trying to be respectful but I would really like to know where the data is that led you to form the opinion that this is a numbers issue. Are you saying that if we had the data we’d see there’d be a roughly equal percentage of pedo priests as pedo drag artists?
I’m also not sure the meme is saying what you think it is. You seem to think it’s saying only one group has hurt kids but it doesn’t say that. It says that one group definitely have. i.e. that we know that priests definitely and in substantial numbers, hurt kids. It’s not saying no drag artist has ever hurt a kid, but that, as a group, we can’t say drag artists definitely hurt kids, whereas we clearly can say that about priests.
But you’re not being logical. The meme title states that one group has definitely hurt children. That’s simply a fact.
You then said: “But the way it’s worded is basically a claim into itself that the bottom group has NEVER…EVER harmed a child. Which, being an absolutist statement probably doesn’t hold water.”
That’s your non-factual interpretation of the statement. That’s how you saw it and that wasn’t based on any of the words contained in the title but what you thought they were trying to imply.
If you’re going to claim you’re solely interested in logic and fact then you really need to own that position.
But, as I’ve said elsewhere in this thread, your argument hinges solely on how you personally interpret the title of this meme. All it says is that one group definitely hurt kids. That’s simply factual. What you then did was assume the meme was saying ‘the number of drag artists that have hurt kids is zero’ and it doesn’t make any such claim at all. It simply states one group has definitely hurt children.
When does a number of individuals become ‘a group’ I guess is the question. Maybe (and I fully accept this is solely my opinion) the meme is suggesting that as the number of kid hurting drag artists, although a non-zero number, is so very low it’s hard to even class them as a group. When the word ‘group’ is used by the ultra conservatives and xtians it seems to me that what they’re attempting is try and make out there’s enough offending individuals to justify referring to them as a group in a way that makes them representative of the whole.
One of the people in one of your links for example - they offended in 2008 then later became a drag artist. Is that person really a pedo drag artist? Or are they a pedo who’s realised that with the advent of drag artists reading stories to kids, becoming a drag artist was a good way to get access to kids, in the same way some pedos become teachers etc? We don’t say teachers, as a group, are inherently pedo’s or that pedo teachers are representative of teachers so why do it with drag artists?
The meme states that one group has hurt kids…and that’s it. And that is a fact. One group has hurt kids. You’re interpretation that the meme is saying only one group has hurt kids is just that - your interpretation. I’m asking you to look at the your statements that you are basing your opinion on logic and facts and weigh that against the exact wording of this meme. Factually, the meme states one group has hurt kids. It does not say only one group has hurt kids. The truth of that can be seen by simply coldly and logically reading the title of the post/meme.
But if you’re now saying that facts and logic aren’t the only thing that come into play here then I agree with you. In that case, we have to look at context and probability, neither of which can be factual as the data is scant. But it’s also pretty reasonable, based on what we do have, that its accurate to refer to priests as a group that hurt kids. We can’t really say that about drag artists.
You keep saying how much you value logic and fact. I’m (disingenuously, I admit) pointing out to you that stripped of all context, the title of this meme simply states that one group has hurt kids and doesn’t say only one group. It’s literally factual to say that, but - as you say - not accurate because context matters, right?
I’m trying to get you to see that there’s nuance and shades of grey that goes beyond facts and touches (as I said ages ago) on the spirit of the meme. (And really, it is just a meme, do they live and die by pure facts? Clearly not based on most of them).
I don’t think anyone is claiming that there’s a non-zero amount of drag artists who’ve hurt kids. But you saying ‘both?’ is not really taking account of various nuances and contexts, such as - is there even enough drag artists who’ve hurt kids to classify them as a group? Could it be that some of them were pedo’s who, after offending and doing time and being released realised that glomming onto the drag artist community was a way to get close to kids now?
We don’t factually know. That’s why it’s difficult to understand why you say ‘both?’ in a way that infers both are groups that represent their respective communities or are somehow equal.
Just had NextCloud denying my credentials (not for the first time). I know they weren’t wrong because I’m using a password manager. Logs didn’t say much. Was about to reinstall (again, not the first time nextcloud went bonkers on me) before I tried a docker compose down && docker compose up. Lo and behold after a restart...
I found one post from 12 hours ago that describes the problem: lemmy.ml/post/2650814 - but that’s all I’ve seen. Content is way down on lemmy.ml with nothing coming in from .world...
A nonprofit organization that researches links between social media, hate and extremism has been threatened with a lawsuit by X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.
I feel like almost every single piece of software has some problematic dev that has racism, transphobia, or both. I recently read a post about the calc key devs and sighed *facepalm. It is honestly really annoying cause I want friends to use Fedi but than you can pull up a whole laundry list of problems with the devs and it’s...
I downvoted the post because the point it’s making is far too generic. All Abrahamic religions are violent, either historically, currently or both and if you say that to them, all members of the religion in question will get angry. At least the christianity memes are targeting an attribute that’s particular to that religion (creationism, the ridiculousness of the trinity etc).
If someone posted an Islam meme that was a critique of an aspect of that religion that was particular to just that religion it’d probably get more traction. As it is, this just feels like an excuse to infer Islam is more violent than the other two.
With all this talk about sync's pricing...
I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync’s developer, Lemmy’s developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home...
Does this patch mean anything? (0x0.st)
I bought this patch a couple of days ago from the Museum of Witchcraft and Magic in Boscastle, Cornwall, UK. I was wondering if it actually has any significance or meaning, or if it just looks cool....
Transprivacy (lemmy.ml)
UK folks, if you could only listen to one album forever which album would it be?
I’m off on holiday tomorrow and will have basically no internet for over a week. So naturally I’m downloading all the media I can think of, just in case of downtime....
Privacy minded cloud storage provider
I’m looking for a paid cloud storage provider (like google drive, but not google drive) which is privacy minded, so with features like e2e encryption. I’ve been using Jottacloud to backup my large collection of photos. Jottacloud has been satisfactory, but I’ve heard other users complain of incomplete backups, where...
12 reasons to stop using Goodreads - selected by Goodreads staff (help.goodreads.com)
It could be kind of lame to poke fun at a site that I don’t use (anymore), but I find this funny enough to share: Goodreads has started changing and updating their site last year, but apparently they’ve broken a ton of things in the process, and now they’ve published an announcement with the list of 12 bugs they’re...
One group playing dress up has definitely hurt children (lemmy.world)
I'm done with NextCloud
Just had NextCloud denying my credentials (not for the first time). I know they weren’t wrong because I’m using a password manager. Logs didn’t say much. Was about to reinstall (again, not the first time nextcloud went bonkers on me) before I tried a docker compose down && docker compose up. Lo and behold after a restart...
So, Neuralink got FDA approval for human trials, and a certain fanbase is VERY excited about that (fosstodon.org)
Commodification of everything you think off Past/Present/Future....
Signs Of The Swarm (feat Matt Heafy) - The Witch Beckons (www.youtube.com)
Fight night! Bonden vs Davies vs Padeen - who wins?
Bonden the champion pugilist? Davies who once beat up a bear? Padeen who breaks limbs for fun?
lemmy.ml is getting nothing new from lemmy.world, seem cut off since Saturday EDIT: fixed on Wednesday
I found one post from 12 hours ago that describes the problem: lemmy.ml/post/2650814 - but that’s all I’ve seen. Content is way down on lemmy.ml with nothing coming in from .world...
Musk threatens to sue researchers who documented the rise in hateful tweets (apnews.com)
A nonprofit organization that researches links between social media, hate and extremism has been threatened with a lawsuit by X, the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.
I feel like all fedi software has problematic devs, Calckey
I feel like almost every single piece of software has some problematic dev that has racism, transphobia, or both. I recently read a post about the calc key devs and sighed *facepalm. It is honestly really annoying cause I want friends to use Fedi but than you can pull up a whole laundry list of problems with the devs and it’s...
Ladies and Gentlemen I present to you the religion of peace (lemmy.world)