The people still aren’t happy. Their favorite (Croatia) didn’t win. And yeah, they did deserve it too, but come on, 2nd place was the best they ever did.
Let’s just be thankful that it wasn’t Israel who took the trophy. And I’m pretty sure juries are the ones who prevented that, who are also the same people who gave almost all their votes to Switzerland.
So many other countries got robbed though, especially Norway.
Maybe I’m ignorant, but by definition that seems non binary to me. Unless “non binary” no longer means non binary, and now it has some new trendy definition.
Isn’t the idea of binary having two socially defined entities: man, woman. Having someone who defies either definition is non binary. Opposing the idea that you can only be one or the other.
Conchita dresses half way between man and woman. Dresses, skirts, long hair, make up, beard. Even the name Conchita Wurst is a wordplay for “vagina penis”.
The example of a male presenting as female or somewhere between those two seems within the exact definition of non binary.
Non binary means violating the binary. Drag is predicated on a binary existing. It plays with the idea of the binary. The point of drag is poking fun at the opposite gender. The opposite only exists because of the binary.
A trans person isn’t non-binary either. More importantly, a drag queen isn’t an identity. It’s someone who dresses like a woman as a joke. Conchita is a character, not the same as the person. If I get on stage and play Othello, am I now Othello? No, I played the character. That’s not me.
I’m afraid I don’t understand what violating the binary means, and it still seems to me that presenting female with a beard does not fit what I thought the binary of gender was supposed to mean.
You can’t speculate about someone else’s identity. If Conchita identifies themselves as nonbinary, then they’re nonbinary. (I’ve never heard of this person, so I don’t know if they do or not.) Identifying as NB is like saying, “I see the two options that society is offering me, and neither of them neatly describe how I feel inside.” Some cultures refer to a nonbinary “third gender” while others see that as just creating another box to limit people’s options for how they identify and express themselves.
It’s okay if you think that drag queens could be referred to as NB, but they don’t fit the typical definition.
I think you cannot conflate the notion of binary existing with the personal identification as fitting into one of them or not fitting into them.
Like being gay doesn’t require to reject the notion of straight people existing. And as for violating the binary, feminine makeup and dresses with a long beard is a quite strong violation of those binary notions. Just having an androgynous look does not. There is plenty of “buff” women who fully identify as women just as there is very “feminine” men that fully identify as men.
That’s not what non binary means. A drag queen is someone who cross dresses for performative reasons and identifies as a woman during such performances. A transgender person is someone who transitioned from one gender assigned at birth to the other. Non binary means they don’t feel like they fit perfectly in neither man nor women, but something in between, or even something variable.
Trans people can be non binary because NB is also a spectrum.
I don’t understand the question. You are what you feel, that’s what gender is, or rather how you perceive it. It seems like you’re implying that what you feel isn’t real, but correct me if I’m wrong. I am cis man because I was assigned male at birth and I feel like I’m a man.
I’m not trying to imply anything. I’ve just never had a feeling about my gender so I don’t really understand the concept. I was born a man, I present as a man, but I can’t say that I feel like a man, I just feel like me.
And just to clear this up, trans people can also be binary. Clarification necessary become some think that transgender is non-binary or transgender is "third gender". Both are wrong.
If it was because of political favours it would have either been Ukraine, Israel, Italy or Greece. (Maybe also the Netherlands if they were allowed to participate because their song (Europapa) would have gotten a lot of votes from european federalists)
We swiss are more neutral in europes perception. They don’t hate us, but they also don’t really love us. At least not as much as they love other Countries that are less… “complicated”
I’m asking whether the song was best or whether countries were scared to look like they were “non-binary” phobic.
Edit: you can downvote all you want, I’m just asking a question and downvoting without an answer is in its own way an answer, because apparently no one is brave enough to say, “yes, it was by far the best song” 🤷🏼♂️
Nemo’s vocal range was so impressive that the first time I heard the song I thought they were accompanied by an opera singer- nope, they were the opera.
Last year a transman participated for Serbia (Luke Black) and I don’t think he got out of the semi-final, if that makes you feel better…
The popular vote was for Baby Lasagna (Croatia) but I think the jury tends to like solo acts and pop better than bands and metal/heavier rock. It was a big deal when Maneskin won a few years back.
Yes is the best answer. They got a lot of votes from the Jury, because the song is musically one of the more impressive ones (subjective ofc). But, the audience also gets to vote, and can vote for whatever reason. Like: best song, nationalistic reasons, most catchy song?, identity reasons, Song of an artist that makes a statement. Similarly the jury is not immune to these thing so there is no such thing as a subjective vote for best song. So… Yes
its complete trash and dont understand why people seem to love it so much but its huge.
back when we stil cared, the fact that it was complete trash was why we loved it.
We looked forward to a bunch of people wearing tinfoil suits performing the most eurodance song you could imagine.
Or polish girls pointlessly churning butter and washing clothes on stage in an oversexualized fashion.
Or one of the most epic sax performances.
Or just Lordi being Lordi
Particularly, because the ESC was always commented by a radio moderator named Peter Urban who would make the snarkiest remarks about any perfomers.
No one I know cares about the “serious” performances. Every year, we wait for the ridiculous, over-the-top, pointless performances. Very rarely does the ESC produce an actually good song.
These .world comments are fucking wild. Really telling that the are the same people desperately trying to convince the LBGT vote while posting bigotry in the next breath.
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