Eventually. If the northwest high speed rail is successful and California High Speed Rail is successful, there’s incentive to extend each and eventually connect, assuming there’s suitable land. Unfortunately, not likely to be in my lifetime
It's wild to me that after the last six years or so, people are still happy to conclude this must be a troll or fake. Like damn, what is it going to take to convince you that racists are fucking brazen?
because it’s from a screenshot on the link from the flyer. They are quoting that. t.me/s/whitetricitiesparentsandtots but now that quote has been taken down and linking to a white supremacist website unabashedly. Do you think this is still a legit flyer of someone trying to start a whites only daycare, or someone just trolling?
What does that even mean. I’m not sure why recognizing local news click bait meant to trigger my liberal sensibilities outs me as a conservative somehow. This headline and post isn’t meant to trigger conservative outrage, it’s liberal outrage. (Also the OP tagline says the news is about sparking outrage.)
Did you read the “article”? There was no research or investigation. It was literally describing a social media post with no investigation to corroborate anything. This is the news community. There should be quality standards for news posts. This is a pretty clear low effort “article” to capitalize a upward trending controversial social media post to grab clicks and ad views.
Reports that don’t corroborate the social media with verification from other interviews, other social media with similar reporting, etc. are pretty bad. This thread has a pretty good break down of why it seems pretty sus that this is a legit flyer: lemmy.world/comment/376517
Maybe some investigation Journalism that actually checks if this is real, or not? Because yes, a lot of these posts have turned out to be bullshit from trolls
I’d say it’s also that a lot of folks are very invested in making other people second guess if something like this is actually real or if it’s just Black folks with ulterior motives. It makes it easier for more people to dismiss overt racism when it happens.
Like damn, what is it going to take to convince you that racists are fucking brazen?
Call me crazy but I don’t typically associate racist trash mom and tot groups with the sort of people who make very clean and legible flyers with fully formed clear english and even properly used apostrophes, as well as a QR code (centered too!), a telegram group, and a proton email
The deeper you look into all the context surrounding the flyer, the faker and faker it looks.
It’s amazing how well the average white supremacist can blend into society.
Please stop being so closedminded. These people want you to think since they aren’t toothless rednecks in a Maga hat that they can’t possibly be racist. This shit comes in a sizes and flavours.
Sorry but I go with Occam’s Razor on this one. The possibility of some racist going through all the necessary motions to make this scenario occur are incredibly specific and incredibly unlikely.
The facts don’t add up to this being real. It’s a narrative that just doesn’t make sense and seems so deeply unlikely that I can’t even imagine it happening. There’s way way too many coincidences and holes and unlikely occurrences.
Whereas the scenario of “a person wanted their social media to get a huge boost, so they made a fake flyer, a fake telegram, a fake email all within a couple hours, took a picture of it, made a post on their social media, and then shared those posts minutes later with the local news to gain a bunch of traction”, is way more common and doesn’t have any holes in it.
Of the possibilities, the latter is astronomically more likely and requires no mental gymnastics to arrive at, so I assume it’s the case. It’s that simple.
And there’s not really any mental gymnastics involved in “racists exist.”
That is not what the question is, nor the conclusion.
The question is, “Who put this flyer up?”
And of the answers:
Option 1: Genuine Racist
They possessed the capacity to produce this fairly well made flyer, despite the fact the venn diagram of “person who can make a flyer of this quality” and “person who is openly racist” is a very thin sliver (unlikely occurrence #1)
They did not have any existing members of an “in group”, and made the telegram “pre-emptively” (extremely uncommon, typically people of the group precede the creation of a chat room to chat in, unlikely occurrence #2)
They setup a proton email, an extremely uncommon tool typically only used by extremely tech savvy individuals, but didnt put in the extra work to make it have a real account name which is extremely uncommon (unlikely occurrence #3)
They telegram group has a photo of the exact same paper that was “discovered” shortly after, but on a table, and the photo was set only a short period of time before it was “discovered” and posted to social media. Which means the individual took the photo, set the picture of the telegram group, went outside to put the flyer up, and in under 1-2 hours it was already posted up to social media and shared with the news. (unlikely occurrence #4)
The group who discovered and shared this picture happened to be discovered by the owner of a social media group “BlackVancouver” who happens to also be a group specifically focused on spreading awareness about racist acts in the area. They were exactly in the right place at the right time to find this picture literally moments after it was put up? (extremely unlikely occurrence #5)
Despite this, no other pictures at all of these flyers have surfaced anywhere else, which seems to mean that one single flyer was posted and was taken down as soon as it was found. No one else has any info on this flyer except the couple pictures shared by BlackVancouver. It’s very unlikely that a person who made flyers for their group would put all that effort into making the flyer and proceed to post up literally just one of them. (unlikely occurrence #6)
The telegram group has had no members added, and no posts made after the sharing of the flyer with the news outlet (unlikely occurrence #7)
Option 2: Someone fostering fake outrage to boost their social media
A person who manages a social media account is not that unlikely to possess the skills to make a fairly decent looking flyer
If they were making a fake telegram to add “face value” authenticity to their flyer, the lack of any members of the telegram group is not unexpected
A proton email would be not unheard of to be utilized by someone looking to setup a quick and dirty fake email to add further authenticity to their flyer
Wanting to quickly slap together the telegram group in as low effort as possible while still trying to create the appearance of being real at face value, using the flyer itself as the picture of their fake telegram group is a quick and dirty solution, and it would make sense that they would have taken the picture for it shortly before going outside to put the flyer up
The group discovering the flyer being the one who made it is self explanatory at this point, as that is the goal, no longer a coincidence but by design
The individual would not want to get in trouble, so they would have only made a single fake flyer, tacked it up, snapped a picture, then took it down asap, explaining why there aren’t any other photos that have surfaced of the flyer and why it seems like only a single flyer ever got posted up.
The individual, once satisfied that everything looks legit and enough outrage has generated, locked the telegram group and abandoned it, as it has now served its purpose.
Note how the first option requires enormous mental gymnastics to make sense, whereas the latter largely fits within its own context and doesnt require any stretching to conclude. All the “unlikely coincidences” in scenario 1 become expected results in scenario 2.
Thus… Occam’s Razor concludes that situation 2 is way way more likely, and is the one to default to.
If you can come up with an even more likely scenario than situation 2 though, by all means, lets hear it. But I don’t see anyway this narrative fits some random racist mom and tot group founder without having to make numerous extremely unlikely assumptions.
It’s jk for its not actually investigation or at least not on ground, but it’s at the very least more journalism than the article, you’re right about that. I just don’t know the tag for half joking
The City of Port Coquitlam also commented to say, “Thank you for bringing [the sign] to our attention earlier. Bylaw officers are out taking them down.”
They also apparently put the fakeflyer out there.
While the Telegram group is private, messages from the chat can be previewed. In the previewed messages, the administrator says they are “encouraged by the response” the group has gotten […]
And populated the telegram channel with fake messages.
I’m not sure how you wiekd Occam’s razor but it’s becoming a pretty elaborate con for just some internet clout.
Not sure what you are talking about. The City itself was told that the flyer existed, they dont have to be “in on it” to respond like that.
If you post up a fake flyer, the city will take it down and respond the way you said. It’s not that complicated.
And populated the telegram channel with fake messages.
Indeed, theres a whopping two whole messages on the telegram, posted minutes apart, and both of them were posted about an hour before the post of the flyer was put up on instagram/twitter, and no further messages have been posted to the channel since then, no members added, etc. It appears to be effectively abandoned minutes after it was made.
It literally only has those 2 messages and thats it, and they come out to a grand total of like, 4 lines of text total.
Do you think that sounds like a totally legit telegram account chat group? Cuz that sure sounds fake as fuck to me lol
Galen Weston is eligible for it. Everyone else is just a link in the chain.
This is a direct wealth transfer from taxpayers to shareholders because government is too compromised and/or chickenshit to implement a tax policy that discourages profiteering.
Fair, but this isn't just free money for grocery stores -- it's no-strings-attached cash that will be spent where people most need it. Which, yes, will be groceries for a lot of people.
I don't like the handling of grocery gouging, but this specific rebate is not the problem.
The title says ‘could’ like it’s a faraway fantasy thing instead of the very next thing that has to happen.
This balkanization of coastal and inland ferries and the highway system, to pit one against another, has severely disadvantaged the people on the Island economically with higher costs, reduced service and access to the mainland, and causing the stagnation of small towns.
As our population grows, we need to breathe life into these towns. These small towns need service providers, new infrastructure and cost reduction, but the densification and consolidation of housing in these areas is impaired by the poor service TO them.
And it’s dead. The same hand who over-saw Translink before its ransomware boogaloo is involved in this. If you’re the finger-pointy type, it’s hard to keep your digits to yourself.
But - obligatory imperfect-is-better-than-wrong reminder - the Cons aren’t about to bring BCFerries back into the fold, as they’re not really about consolidation and cost-savings; and we’ve seen how the BCLibs/SocCred/United/nom-de-jour party did treat consolidated infrastructure with the BCRail deal where the only ‘selling’ was an idea and justification to the public after the transaction.
Can’t say I’m in shock, as I’m a long time Leafs fan that knows no other feeling than disappointment. Save for a couple brief flashes in the pan in the early 90s and the early 2000s, this has been the same ol’ story. Next year, every year.
Nope, what we have here is a cultural problem. I mean how many GMs and Coaches and “superstar” players have we thrown at this now? Same results. If nothing else, the Leafs are ultra reliable at one thing, and that’s losing in the playoffs.
Just once before I die.
So where do the changes need to come? In my opinion, there needs to be a much larger focus on their conditioning staff and their strategies. Change nothing else but this, and I think the results here change a bit. Injuries plague this team like nobody’s business, and it always wreaks havoc in the playoffs.
Injuries + accountability changes for their results = results. That sort of change has to come from the top though. The very top. The fans need to hold them accountable, but that’s going to be really hard when there is such a focus on corporate level attendence at hockey games. When fans keep propelling the broadcasting numbers by continuing to watch. You want actual change here fans? Quit watching the games. Remember Rogers owns a large part of this team. They are already struggling with broadcasting numbers as it is. If you want a change here, force it.
I’m also going to contradict myself here a bit and say I would move on from Keefe (you have to). Dude is a minor league coach at best. But I remain unconvinced this is where the core of the problem lies.
I agree with you for the most part and think the same group of players under a different system and set of coaches could do better.
The one change I will say we definitely need is in net. I like Samsonov overall, but he is too inconsistent and I’m not sure that can be coached out of him. Woll has looked promising, but the guy has injured himself more than once now making/attempting to make saves that didn’t look like they should have been that bad.
Prices have gone up everywhere. I’ve switched over to farmer’s markets to support local farmers and the odd run to local grocery/butcher shops. I don’t think this boycott will make a dent for Loblaws. But it’s the concept that counts.
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