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RaoulDook, to assholedesign in Could you please fuckıng not, Urban Dictionary?

Why the fuck would anybody install an APP to use a website?

(Puts on clown face) “Sure, I’ll install this program on my pocket computer from the Urban Dictionary to save the time it would take me to open a web browser and type in the URL of it, all it costs is me giving direct access to my stored personal data and real-time activities”

Rai,

The state of people blindly using apps for everything is atrocious.

“But it saves me a 1USD on my fast food burger!”

Serinus,

Fast food charges you around double if you don’t use the app. I think it’s mostly about tiered pricing. They want the money from those willing to pay $15 for a burger AND they still want the money from people who won’t pay more than $10. This way they get both.

Rai,

Makes sense. I don’t eat fast food, so I didn’t know. But no way am I installing apps for… basically any commercial thing.

RaoulDook,

Same here, but I do eat fast food on occasion. Their small discounts are not worth enough to compromise my phone’s integrity and my privacy.

Serinus,

Wendy’s order through app showing around a 45% discount.

It’s not a small discount. Of course just using the app isn’t the only hoop. You also have to order correctly to maximize the discount.

Rai,

I just looked at their app permissions, and woof. It’s almost as bad as Threads.

Moonrise2473,

Those kind of apps have a special place on my phone: petercxy’s shelter (don’t install it from play store because in order to meet the Google requirements it has been nerfed). Apps installed there use a dedicated throwaway Google account and are completely disabled with a toggle on my launcher. (Lawnchair 2 has a toggle in the drawer for it)

If an app is installed in shelter it’s on a completely separate partition and can’t access any file or photo on your main one. And once you quit, they are all disabled like if the phone is turned off

kadotux,
@kadotux@lemmings.world avatar

Fast food charges you around double if you don’t use the app.

In the US, I guess? Not where I come from

Moonrise2473,

In Italy it’s also like this

You literally pay double the price if you order without using the coupons found in the app for McDonald’s, Burger King and KFC

extant,

It’s just an incentive to install the app, the amount of data being harvested and sold/traded is basically the new economy.

ArtVandalist,

You could as much harvest more data from a browser honestly. Most apps are sandboxed, a browser shares its cookies.

extant,

Phone apps have access to significantly more data than a browser does, especially when people haphazardly agree to any and all permissions.

ArtVandalist,

If you believe that’s really true I’m probably not the one to change your mind.

Browsers usually don’t even ask for any permissions, where iOS and Android apps do, and explicitly state what data they’ll steal.

It’s much easier to fingerprint your behavior when using the web than it is when using apps.

Unless you’re only talking about “the wrong kind of apps” but then I could continue about “the wrong kind of websites”.

But hey, you do you. Happy tracking.

Edit: I feel sad that sites like The Verge et al. trick people who want to learn in those kind of directions. They’re writers, not tech people. They earn from ads! Don’t listen to them.

extant,

Yes, I’m comparing the threat level based on the maximum potential akin to the likes of “those apps”. Permissions are straightforward and will protect users just like ad blockers, decentralized static frameworks (JavaScript/CSS/fonts), and clearing cookies. But on average users are not well informed and aren’t considering permissions, add-ons, or even which browser or app they use so I compare based on the potential threat level.

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

McDonald’s charges a lot more without the app tho

fun fact: McDonald’s app has tighter “security” than my bank app and won’t even work on rooted devices

Shawdow194,
Shawdow194 avatar

LOL! Glad I'm not the only one who thinks the Mickie app is locked down

McDonalds needs updates more often than my credit card app...

Anticorp,

I can’t believe that there’s a whole generation of people who voluntarily installed a McDonald’s app. I guess marketing works…

A_Random_Idiot,

“but i can save a dollar by letting mcdonalds root itself deep inside my large intestine!”

flames5123,

When they introduced the app back in December 2016, they gave you a free burger/fish filet. Me and my college roommate took advantage of this and made accounts with sharklasers.com emails. We got 3 free burgers a day just by driving to the closest McDonald’s, down the road 10 mins to the next one, then back.

Anticorp,

Free burgers are definitely a big deal in college.

skizzles,

It absolutely will work on a rooted device. Mine is rooted and it works fine. Also, in my experience (maybe this is just in my area) outside of the points perk, prices are the same between the app and physically at the store as I have checked out of curiosity.

vox, (edited )
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

there are bundles and deals which are only available in the app, usually you can save like 50% with them
depends on the region i guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯

e.g. I could either get a big mac for like 22zl? or big mac + medium fries + any sauce for 16zl, or a cheeseburger for 30% of it’s price + 300 points (which you literally get back, exact amount for your order)

Moonrise2473,

McDonald’s app is the fastest way to check if you installed magisk+shamiko correctly

vox,
@vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

eh, if the app is actually native and i use it a lot I’d rather have it installed…
Don’t see the point of WebView/web apps packaged as mobile ones tho…

RaoulDook,

And that’s why your phone’s probably fucked up. Just install whatever, for the alleged convenience. But you already have a web browser, and you could simply make a bookmark to the website you visit frequently.

I get 3 days of battery life between charges on my phone without all that kind of bullshit on there. Running GrapheneOS on a supported Pixel with sandboxed Google Play services and zero social media apps that are not open source.

NikkiDimes,

Btw, I use Arch

RaoulDook,

Actually I use CentOS, Raspbian, Windows 10, Android, and MacOS on my various computers.

NikkiDimes,

Lol I like you.

chatokun,

My phone runs fine. I use some apps, and many others I use websites. My ebooks, music, podcasts, and video stuff uses apps, as well as some games, my banking app, and this lemmy app. I don’t use apps for just about every other social media (mostly because I barely use em), for many websites etc. Email I do use the apps, as well as my robovac, and some other communication based ones. Also MFA apps.

Use of apps can be decided on a per use basis, as long as the person knows the possible issues stemming from them. It doesn’t need to be all or nothing, and your solution doesn’t necessarily work for everyone. It doesn’t make you better than them, nor them better than you, just different. Stop assuming everyone should do things like you do.

Anticorp,

“hey Google, define ‘no shot’”

Moonrise2473,

“sorry, I didn’t understand”

(90% of the responses I get from that in the past two years - it used to work but now it’s useless)

I_LOVE_VEKOMA_SLC,

Redo the voice training. I agree you shouldn’t have to, but it massively helps.

SuperSpruce,

Here’s a real reason: It’s generally more optimized and smooth than the web version. And before you say that’s because the websites purposely nerf themselves, one of the best examples to support my statement is Mastodon, which is slow and laggy on the website but fast and smooth in the app.

mexicancartel,

But this urban dictionary app looks like some webapp. Also this slight smoothness costs your personally identifiable data for such apps

mystik,

Here’s the REAL reason: Apps grant Developers/Content owners more control/metrics/data about the user to feed their advertisers, which translates to more revenue. It’s way easier to hoover up data about the user outside of the browser sandbox, and in apps.

Duamerthrax,

How often do I need to find a reference in Urban Dictionary?

Melvin_Ferd,

You tell us winsome

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Reading this on Voyager app… errr well hummm

lengau,

Lemmy (and Mastodon) apps do IMO provide added value over the websites, but AFAICT the Urban Dictionary app would be better off as a web shortcut on one’s home screen

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

Well it looks like the app adds motion and fitness abilities… /s

lengau,

I stand corrected! Brb, downloading the app and giving it full access to my devices.

LazaroFilm,
@LazaroFilm@lemmy.world avatar

That’s more like it. We’re glad to have you as product customer.

sunstoned,

Especially with Firefox and derivatives allowing you to run the webpage in an app-like way! I do this for everything from the public transit website in my city to financial sites.

A_Random_Idiot,

Seriously. Apps are stupid. They exist solely to steal your data, and they do that by asking for insane permissions.

And the overwhelming majority of this could be avoided if consumers didnt just straight up braindead refuse to use the actual website because “hurr hurrr I do nothing wrong why I have to hide anything I WANT MAH CONVENIENCE! REAL OR PERCEIVED!”

flames5123,

It’s quicker to load a known json into a know UI than an entire webpage. Plus, you don’t get any features in the webpage like swiping, double tapping, or notifications (for things like DMs).

I use a Lemmy app because it’s faster and just works. It hasn’t asked for any extra permissions.

starman2112, (edited )
@starman2112@sh.itjust.works avatar

I have never navigated urban dictionary. Even going from one word to the next, I have only ever googled a word + “urban dictionary”

RampantParanoia2365, to technology in Unsmart a smart TV

Well you could not connect it to the internet…

pastermil,

Maybe you’d disable it on the settings, but it remains enabled anyways. Then it would detect an open wifi and connect autimatically.

Or maybe the software that comes with it is buggy as hell your HDMI framerate and resolution became affected.

Hule,

A wifi antenna should be easy to find.

If you cut it, could it lead to an error, or just weaken the signal?

bamboo,

If you wrap the TV in tinfoil, it’ll be a faraday cage and block all WiFi

sawdustprophet,
@sawdustprophet@midwest.social avatar

If you wrap the TV in tinfoil, it’ll be a faraday cage and block all WiFi

I just keep my TV embedded in a block of lead.

sus,

CRT TV with extra steps

melpomenesclevage,

Just watching TV is lost technology.

Hule,

But then even Superman can’t watch ads on it!

Hule,

I mean I wouldn’t, but it’s an idea!

melpomenesclevage,

Seriously considering decorating my next apartment like this. CNC engraved thin sheets of stainless steel, with a ground wire plugged in somewhere. Possibly the plumbing.

RampantParanoia2365,

Ok, well personally, I’ve never seen an open network near my house, so if I cared that much, it would work for mine.

RecluseRamble,

You really shouldn’t run an open wifi at your home. Or do you carry your TV to Starbuck’s or something?

pastermil,

Do you live in a farm your whole life or something?

RecluseRamble,

Just in a country where open wifi without landing pages don’t exist. Apologies, didn’t think about actual open, public wifi.

pastermil,

Most people are more aware of these things nowadays, so you may not see it as much…

orb360,

Not anymore with sidewalk and other similar corporate networks bypassing any requirement for the consumer to connect the TV to wifi

Bluefruit,

aboutamazon.com/…/everything-you-need-to-know-abo…

How much of my internet bandwidth does Amazon Sidewalk require?

“Very little. Sidewalk’s connectivity is distinct from your home Wi-Fi. If you choose, however, to enable Sidewalk on your eligible Bridge devices, those devices would use a small amount of internet bandwidth.”

This sounds like it still needs your internet to work unless I’m missing something.

JeffKerman1999,

If you don’t have a sidewalk bridge but your neighbour half a mile away has one, your device will connect to your neighbour’s bridge and send data to Amazon without you knowing

KillingTimeItself,

im sorry how is this legal?

melpomenesclevage,

Corpo exception.

Also, maybe it isnt; state isnt gonna stop em either way.

KillingTimeItself,

correct me if im wrong, but a device trying to connect to the network in order to analytics. Which can’t, which then defaults to a SECONDARY BACKUP mechanism, just to transmit ANALYTICS. Is basically just spying, and you cannot convince me otherwise.

melpomenesclevage,

I… Well I might try but only if it were funny. I agree. But its not effectively (and I don’t think technically) illegal.

KillingTimeItself,

the fact that it isn’t illegal is astonishing to me.

or at least incredibly frowned upon.

melpomenesclevage,

Why? Laws aren’t here to protect you. The entire pretense of that is just to make you accept when the propertarian (and in most places white supremacist) gangsters want to walk into your community and disappear/murder someone they don’t like.

It is frowned upon tho. By us. Others too, i bet, if they know about it. So what’s the plan? Me, I just haven’t bought a new TV since like 2014, but that’s a personal dodge rather than a systemic fix, and it feels really trashy not having a solution for others, besides ‘go without’.

KillingTimeItself,

I mean, the law literally states that we aren’t required to house soliders in the time of war if we desire. It also asserts privacy and a certain level of personal freedom. I see no extent as to why this shouldn’t extend to multinational corpos or at the very least, be explicitly clear.

Ultimately, i think we just need to get into government, and actually fucking do something about it.

melpomenesclevage,

“The system is broken! We must appeal to the system for help!”

That’s insane and absurd.

The amount of effort required to make government do anything other than imperialism and genocide (and they will always half ass it) is always a substantial multiple of just doing it yourself. Stop begging, and letting their bullshit appropriate your desire for a better world.

KillingTimeItself,

ok then, let’s go coup the government.

melpomenesclevage,

No that would still end up with a government. If I’m gonna risk my ass like that for something, its going to be something I actually want.

KillingTimeItself,

i have a theory that anarchy always ends in some form of government. I suppose you could have an anarchic government. But i would much rather have a difference government, with the same principles to begin with tbh. Anarchy is more of a driving force to me than anything else.

melpomenesclevage,

Everything always ends in something else. If it didn’t, it wouldn’t be an ending, or would violate thermodynamics.

The point is nobody being in charge, in shrinking authority while keeping coordination.

KillingTimeItself, (edited )

that’s an interesting place to use a thermodynamics jumpscare, but frankly i think we just need proper isolation from state and federal government, each has their own purpose. They should do specifically what is most productive for themselves and nothing more.

But that’s just me being fed up with shit being entirely inconsistent from state to state for no fucking reason.

melpomenesclevage,

Not a jump scare; conservation. The warm fuzzy part?

Why do you want people in charge without coordination? That seems remarkably unpleasant.

KillingTimeItself,

it’s not zero coordination, it’s highly coordinated, on account of being incredibly strict by design. The federal government would oversee things that are logical to be controlled by the federal government. The general workings of tax law for example. While state would focus on it’s micro system in comparison to the fed, adjusting federal tax law to be applicable to the state level.

Etc… repeat ad nauseam, until government no longer shit.

melpomenesclevage,

Read ‘brain of the firm’ and ‘seeing like a state’.

clegko,
@clegko@lemmy.world avatar

Uhhh. No.

melpomenesclevage,

Well, that’s a pretty good reason to break your neighbors shit.

orb360,

The connection isn’t for you. It’s so the TV can fingerprint the content you watch, and then send that utilization data back to the company.

You don’t need much bandwidth to do this.

So with no wifi connection, and a blueray player, if you play Star Wars, they can fingerprint a few frames, send them back to Roku or whoever over sidewalk via your neighbors ring doorbell, and know you played star wars… Even with your completely offline setup

Bluefruit,

Ah i see, so because its connected to other devices in the sidewalk network, if my neighbor has it hooked up to wifi and mine isnt, it still can connect to the internet.

Yea that sucks. I hate that. I have “smart” TV that i never connected to my wifi cause i use a pc for streaming.

Next thing yknow theres gonna be lte modems in these things that they pay to keep on just to spy on us ffs man.

melpomenesclevage, (edited )

Jacking off with a monkey paw while you dream of a mesh network. Thanks amazon.

RampantParanoia2365,

Do these show up as networks on devices, or are they kind of hidden? I’ve looked before and never seen any open wifi around my house, but I am near a mall and lots of shopping.

orb360,

They do not use wifi. They use BLE over short range, or LoRa or FSK on 900mhz over long distances. If you wanted to see them you’d probably need a scanner built specifically to find them but idk if anyone has made one.

leave_it_blank, to astronomy in In 1952, a group of three 'stars' vanished—astronomers still can't find them

Link to the story:

phys.org/…/2023-10-group-stars-vanishedastronomer…

From the article: A third idea is that they weren’t objects at all. Palomar Observatory isn’t too far from the New Mexico deserts where nuclear weapons testing occurred. Radioactive dust from the tests could have contaminated the photographic plates, creating bright spots on some images and not others. Given similar vanishings seen on other photographic plates of the 1950s, this seems quite possible.

BananaTrifleViolin, to amiga in Amiga Did Ray-Tracing 30 Years Ago, And No One Remembers

Ray tracing is not a new thing. But what was done on the Amiga 30 years ago is quite different from what people talk about today. We're talking about real time ray tracing - that is technically challenging and requires computational resource every millisecond orders above what was available in an Amiga.

As Isaac Newton (and others before him) put it - we're standing in the shoulders of giants. In 30 years may lament that people forget what was happening in 2023 when they look at the technology of the day.

!remindme 30 years

Oh wait, this isn't Reddit.

ns1, to antiquememesroadshow in A question from Stoner Dog

One of its legs is both the same, duh.

ForestOrca,
ForestOrca avatar

The best answer!

SamuraiBeandog,
@SamuraiBeandog@lemmy.world avatar

This is my dad’s favourite joke.

crunchycircuit, to mobilewallpaper in Cyberpunk vista (artist not found) (1200x1535)

Artist: Theo Guignard’s Behance

It also has rough sketches and process details, if you’re into that sort of thing! :)

dmention7, to comics in Everyone has to deal with their own form of bullshit

“Sawhorse For My Dungeon” sounds like it would be a fantastic emo band.

BigMoe,

It really does.

Could make some awesome album art too.

SDF, to sdfpubnix in Hello world! - Please introduce yourself here
@SDF@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

We just made it past 1000 signups this morning. Nearly everyone joining had very thoughtful and meaningful explanations of why they want to try using this instance. It is an amazing time for the internet and we truly appreciate SDF being a part of this.

scrubbles, to comicstrips in Right to Flex Arms
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Open carriers show off two major things, and neither one of them are “tough guy”.

First is fragile masculinity, they are worried that they aren’t seen as “manly” enough, so they have to show off to everyone that they are totally manly. It’s like women wearing that new handbag out and about, they want others to notice it.

Second is pure fear, fear that at any time any moment something is going to happen, and the only way they feel safe is by carrying a lethal weapon with them at all times. You know, rather than dealing with what is causing the fear in the first place.

So, we have a terrified person carrying a lethal weapon who is worried about what everyone around them think. To me, that’s the more worrying person in a room.

moshtradamus666,

Loved the comparison to an expensive handbag. These people just want to look fierce and make other people feel in danger.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Just wait until you get all the hens clucking at their favorite restaurant about how stylish it looks with the wood-grain finish.

scorpious,

Stupidity goes in there too for baiting any and every psycho who can now instantly become an armed psycho.

ArbitraryValue,

Fear? My impression is that they’re looking for trouble, not trying to avoid it.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Nah they say they are, but they’re scared boys walking around with it. The like to LARP thinking they’ll need to use it, but actually using it on someone is terrifying.

JayleneSlide,

Fear indeed. I went to college in a very… provincial small city. Riding my bicycle around, I was regularly harassed by insecure assholes in pickup trucks, and run off the road twice. The one time I managed to get a license plate, the police claimed that without witnesses, they couldn’t do anything. ACAB.

I added my 1911 to the strap of my messenger bag, at the top of my left shoulder, where the stainless frame would be plainly visible. I was suddenly given plenty of space on the road and even got occasional compliments when waiting at stoplights. It’s disgusting that I would be a target for bullying without my pistol, but suddenly I was an okay guy with my penis extension where douchebag drivers could see it.

So yeah, I’m living proof that non-military open carry is only for scaredy cats.

sunbytes,

I wonder if 3d printing a fake handle to stick out is worth the trouble.

Being licensed anyway would be good if you were stopped, but it would weigh less and you wouldn’t risk losing it.

Presume there’s laws about leaving it unsupervised etc while out the house.

Hardeehar,

Having a toy is just as good for that purpose.

You won’t be treated as if it’s a toy though.

RecluseRamble,

The one time I managed to get a license plate, the police claimed that without witnesses, they couldn’t do anything. ACAB.

It sucks but unless he hurt you, hit your bike, or you have any sort of footage what is the police suppose to do? Show up, he denies everything and that’s it.

If they could charge him on your claims alone, think about the scary consequences of such a “legal” system.

Katana314,

By this measure, justice was impossible to achieve before the invention of the cell phone video camera.

RecluseRamble,

Yes, you do need some kind of evidence if you don’t have a witness. And I mentioned other kinds of evidence than video footage.

CileTheSane, (edited )
@CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

what is the police suppose to do?

Start a paper trail. If multiple unconnected bikers report them or they are involved in an accident later it is prior evidence of reckless driving.

Even if he denies it when police show up to ask questions it might scare him enough to stop doing it.

JayleneSlide, (edited )

In most jurisdictions, a note could be put on the driving record. If a pattern on aggressive driving were to be established, a prosecutorial or civil suit effort would have an easier time of litigating against that driver.

In my case, yes, there was paint damage from my bike, which would be evidence.

Edit to add: this was a bit before camera phones.

RecluseRamble, (edited )

In my case, yes, there was paint damage from my bike, which would be evidence.

For sure, that should’ve been more than enough for them to act at least. I’m sorry this happened to you.

fpslem, (edited )

It sucks but unless he hurt you, hit your bike, or you have any sort of footage what is the police suppose to do?

It’s worth noting that most American states have a “3 foot law” that requires vehicles to pass bikers with at least 3 feet of space. (Often, drivers are also required to completely change lanes when doing so, although that varies more by state and by the width of the lane on that particular road.) If a driver in one of the 39 states runs a biker off the road, even if they never physically contacted the person on the bike, they almost certainly violated the “3 foot law.”

Yes, police often won’t investigate or bring charges, and yes, it sucks, but most of those dangerous drivers are indeed breaking the law.

RecluseRamble,

I never questioned that. I even went with OP’s story, chose to believe they told the complete truth. But they complained about police not doing anything and the shitty reality of it is that without any kind of evidence the police cannot do anything.

fpslem,

I think we’re both in agreement about the result, but we shouldn’t forget that testimony is evidence. The chump behind the wheel will deny it, so you’ll have conflicting testimonial evidence, but until recently, this was usually all the evidence any prosecutor had. We’ve gotten too used to video evidence and now police won’t act without it, even though it’s not legally required. It just provides a convenient excuse for cops not to bother when they don’t care.

RecluseRamble,

OK, you’re right. Ideally, the police should just follow up and not predict the result since that’s the judge’s job, not theirs.

I don’t think there are many countries with such a low crime rate where police can really work that close to the book though. And I think there are “better” examples for “ACAB” in the US.

abigscaryhobo,

I have a friend who open carries everywhere as well. We do not live in a dangerous area at all and he carries this thing to the grocery store.

I call it his “big boy gun” because it makes him feel like he’s a big boy now, like a kid who wears his “big boy” pants with no diapers.

fpslem, (edited )

I call it his “big boy gun”

Good! And I hope you never let him hear the end of it. What a poser.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

I had the talk with a friend once who did it, told him I didn’t feel comfortable. We went to a fast food place and told him to look around, people weren’t admiring him, they were afraid of him. Luckily he saw reason and stopped wearing it shortly after.

wander1236, to badrealestate in Raw
@wander1236@sh.itjust.works avatar

It’s got good bones

Thetimefarm, to technology in Unsmart a smart TV

In short, this is one of those questions where if you have to ask the answer is no. It may be possible but unless you have a spare TV laying around that you don’t mind breaking it’s not a good idea to try. The best advice I have for any modder is to have multiples of whatever you’re modifying on hand.

HaywardT,

I can think of no better use for a TV

egerlach,

Through the magic of buying two of them…

Sakychu,

I understood that reference!

ColeSloth,

Why buy one, when you can buy two at twice the price.

dutchkimble,

And if you call us in the next 10 minutes we will give you three, that’s right, three, for only triple the price!

mihnt,

2 is 1, 1 is none.

circuscritic, to technology in Unsmart a smart TV

No, yes, maybe, but probably not.

Also, only do this if it’s a passion project for learning, because the odds that it works out the gate, and doesn’t require multiple repurchases, are very slim.

The odds that you never quite get it to work right, or at all, very high.

If you’re sure you want to do this, start by reading the technical documentation to get a grasp of which parts might, or should, work together, and how. Do this before making any purchases.

If that doesn’t sound appealing, then buy an “digital signage” or “enterprise/business class” TV, or find a dumb consumer TV, new or used.

muntedcrocodile, to technology in Unsmart a smart TV

Seems unnecessary surly just plug in a raspberry pi into the HDMI port and never connect the TV to internet u can probably flash some version of android TV onto the pi and all set.

deadbeef,

The samsung TV that I bought for my son had this annoying overlay thing that pops up when you turn it on that shows all the different inputs and nags about various things it thinks are wrong with the world. It is plugged into an Nvidia shield that we do most things on, but you can’t use the shield until the overlay calms the fuck down and disappears.

It’d be great if you could just have the thing turn on and display an input like our older TVs do.

Postmortal_Pop,

The roku TV I have screens every dvd we play and tells us we can watch it easier on a streaming service.

Captainvaqina,

Fuuuuuuuck that

Postmortal_Pop,

Agreed, if it wasn’t a free TV I’d return it. Though it doesn’t have any complaints about my pirated media so at least that’s nice.

muntedcrocodile,

Damn I have an old school amp with the surround sound speakers that has a single hdmi output that everything goes through so my tv never complains cos as far as its aware its just a hdmi input.

muntedcrocodile,

If it runs android tv (I would assume so) u might be able to plug in a usb and use that to force uninstall a bunch of bloat.

DavidGA, to technology in Unsmart a smart TV
@DavidGA@lemmy.world avatar

So, “yes”, but also no. You’ll lose the calibration panel for your display, and the result will probably be unwatchable.

You’re much better off buying a display which is un-smart to start with. These are often called “commercial displays”. Or of course you could just buy a monitor.

mox,
sugar_in_your_tea,

I’ve looked, and it’s surprisingly difficult to find one with decent resolution in a decent size. It seems they’re all 1080p nonsense.

I’m not even looking for fancy features like OLED or whatever, I just want 4k in >60" screen size without any smart features. Why is that so hard??

Godort,

It’s hard because the advertising somewhat subsidies the price.(Ie: they want the ad revenue so they will sell the display at cost with the intention that they’ll make all the profit back from ads)

Yo can absolutely find commercial displays in that size and resolution, but you’ll pay a much higher price for them.

sugar_in_your_tea,

It’s probably worth it if they’re built better, which they probably are if they’re intended to run continuously. So better heat dissipation, mosfets, etc.

NaibofTabr,

SAMSUNG Business QE43T 43-inch 4K UHD 3840x2160 LED Commercial Signage Display, HDMI, USB, Speakers, 3-Yr Wrnty, 16/7 Operation, 300 nit (LH43QETELGCXZA), Black

What you want is a “commercial signage display”. They usually have all the modern display features because they’re intended to make products look good, and they’re generally well built because they’re meant to be on all day.

They cost more than similar TVs because they’re not subsidized by smart TV shovelware and data gathering.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Huh, cool! Do you know if they tend to last longer than consumer TVs? If they include better heat dissipation and whatnot (since they’re intended to always be on), it may be worth the extra price.

NaibofTabr,

Not from experience, but if it’s designed to be on all day and you only use it 4 hours a day (ish) it should last a long time.

Kolanaki,
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$400? Not much more than my current 43 inch TV. $35 bucks more to not have the bullshit sounds reasonable.

KillingTimeItself,

damn, this is actually a life saver right here. Hadn’t thought about commercial signage displays. Guess that’ll be living rent free in my head for the next decade until my TV shits the bed.

NaibofTabr,

Heh, same. I bought what was probably the last generation of dumb TVs. It’s a 4k 65" panel from a company called Atyme which I believe is now defunct, made with an LCD panel that was part of some other company’s manufacturing order but didn’t pass quality check, and it has like 2010-ish TV electronics (you can tell because the settings menus look just like what you find on all the TVs from that period). It’s 4k but it doesn’t have any of the fancy features like HDR because the electronics are limited… but it also doesn’t have a bootup delay, it just turns on.

I didn’t learn about commercial signage displays until after I had bought it.

KillingTimeItself,

mine is a 1080 panel from 2012 consumer electronics era production. 20s startup delay, because i guess counting numbers is hard or something. Gotta love shitty tech i suppose. The 2010s era UI interface is SO real.

HaywardT,

Or I could just accept my place and watch the ads and go along with all the caveats like a good consumer. I don’t see that happening.

gears,

Just buy a smart tv and don’t connect it to internet. You’ll get to buy from the same selection and enjoy the subsidized price.

ReluctantMuskrat,

My Vizio smart TV’s smart features won’t work if you don’t accept the terms of use. HDMI inputs worked though, and probably TV tuner… didnt try it. I eventually accepted of course, but that might be an option for you.

circuscritic,

I have a mix of smart and dumb TV’s.

All of them show me the same number of ads: zero.

All of them have the same level of access to networks (LAN/WAN): none.

Worst offender is a legacy Roku that keeps up it’s direct connect WiFi broadcast, but it’s on its own isolated VLAN.

HaywardT, to technology in Unsmart a smart TV

So if anyone is interested I found the answer to my question. There seems to be two standards for LCD panels and there are these cheap converters for both of them.

DdCno1,

Would you mind elaborating?

HaywardT,

It seems like the current standard is MIPI DSI. This is my sourcee of information. I think it is doable.

Aceticon,

Judging by your link and some quick googling around, including this, it’s for mobile displays which have a lot less resolution than a 4K TV display.

That said, the 4.5Gb/s speed of it seems enough to feed a 4K display at 100Hz (I didn’t really dig enough into it to determine the protocol overheads or even much detail on protocol so take it with a pinch).

At minimum, you should probably open your TV and see if there is a flat cable with the right number of lines from the display to the controller since if it does not it’s highly unlikelly to be that standard (and even if it is but using a non-standard connector, you’ll need specs to figure out which pins are which lines in order to build an adaptor).

Mind you, it sounds like a fun project if you have a TV around that you don’t mind too much if it ends up broken.

HaywardT, (edited )

Yeah, I think newer panels are probably MIPI DSI but there are cheap controller boards for that too. I don’t think I will do this as I really don’t have a need.

A previous, now deleted post sent me down this rabbit hole. I also understand why the OP deleted it. There are a lot of professional unboxers here who get upset with the idea of building anything.

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