Imnebuddy,

Windows: What is my purpose?

User: You are a bootloader to install Linux.

AVincentInSpace,

Thought that was what PXE boot was for

xilliah,

Oh my Bill

nicoweio,

Oh my god

HurlingDurling,

Grub

gheesh,

“An expensive bootloader at that, but hey you already paid us when you bought your laptop thanks to our decades-old grip on the market, so we could not care less what you do next”

Cornelius,

AHEM powershell activation scripts AHEM

Chunk,

I have one dream for Linux. I’m a huge OSS fan and I want to see it thrive.

I think Microsoft should partner with Oracle to make Oracle Linux 9 support all the Microsoft ecosystem. I want AD in Linux. I want Microsoft Word on Linux. Oracle Linux 9 is the obvious successor to RHEL and Microsoft has an opportunity here to build something great.

Lmao just kidding

njordomir,

You got me, I had my torch and pitchfork ready and my FOSS-themed chanting was growing louder…

Steamymoomilk,

I was about 90% reading this going wtf is this guy on?

possiblylinux127,

You actually can use Active directory with linux

stevedidwhat_infosec,

It’s a huge portion and an important technology Linux or not - doesn’t hurt to learn somethin new especially when it’s helpful

feminalpanda,

I could see that with Ubuntu since they are already throwing money and dev time to support it. Also DoD is already putting out automated STIGs for it.

sadreality,

I am sure they will start tightening screws on Linux one day too...

These can't help themselves if they got market power.

herrvogel,

What can they do at this point though? I feel Linux has grown a bit too big for any EEE bullshit. It’d take too long and be too expensive now.

Kevadroz,
@Kevadroz@lemmy.world avatar

The performance speed between WSL, virtual machines, and bare metal Linux has become so close that few developers choose this method due to the overhead of needing to restart (reboot) your device any time you want to switch between the operating systems.

And there’s the attempt at discouraging you from going bare-metal.

I doubt that “few developers choose this” is true.

Dirk,

Embrace …

AVincentInSpace,

Extend (WSL)…

fatalicus,

It wasn’t published September 29th, it was updated then.

It was published back in March. All these pages are on github where this can be verified: github.com/MicrosoftDocs/linux/…/install.md

WindowsEnjoyer,

I’ve heard talks that after each Windows update, you have to restore Grub config.

Not the case with me. Had dual boot for some time and never had to fix it… 🤷

feef,

This happens to me all the time, any fixes?

I think it’s because I have Windows and Linux on separate drives.

WindowsEnjoyer,

What Windows version and edition are you using? Also, your GRUB is installed in BIOS or EFI mode?

I am on Win11 professional edition I think, EFI mode…

moonburster,

Is this a new issue? I have never experienced this before either

WindowsEnjoyer,

I’ve heard rumors or memes about it. Never had to fix grub after Windows update. Maybe it’s the thing of the past and Microsoft simply fixed this behavior.

But when last time i fixed grub - it was when I renamed disks in Windows, which are actually BTRFS Linux partitions, mounted in Windows using WinBTRFS driver. It somehow changed UUIDs in Linux. This is unrelated, but still wanted to tell 😅

Still,
@Still@programming.dev avatar

I think people misspeak, windows puts the windows bootloader first after some updates

Hubi,

I’ve had it happen a few times over the years. It probably depends on your drive configuration and it doesn’t happen with every update. But the last time was one too many for me and I kicked windows off my main system.

tty84,
@tty84@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Great! Then now you’re ready to install Microsoft Edge on your fresh new linux installation: packages.microsoft.com/…/microsoft-edge-stable/ 🤡

Darken,
@Darken@reddthat.com avatar

It comes with bing search pre configured for you so you don’t have to look for the settings, we also hid them so you don’t accidentally switch to duckduckgo because we believe Linux users shall experience the full potential of our services even out abroad on another OS

Cornelius,

For all two people who genuinely use edge on Linux, it’s still a more private experience than Windows. Regardless, more power to them

IverCoder,
MonkderZweite,

If only they stop overwriting boot loader.

BCsven,

Install linux second and create a second boot partition. most distros will probe foreign os and add a grub chainloader entry from grub to windows boot partition. windows never lnows about the other boot partition

m3t00,
@m3t00@lemmy.world avatar

dotnet.social mastodon guide next

papaskeks,

Well yeah, 3% isn’t a threat to their PC market share.

cyclohexane,

I love when people on the Internet say “X did Y quietly” to make it more suspenseful. This doesn’t look quiet to me…

ddkman,

Also how is this bad?

Cornelius,

Not bad, just ironic

the_stormcrow,

What does “quietly” even mean? Didn’t take out ads in Times Square?

ChiefSinner,

Source?

candyman337,

Does this mean that windows updates will no longer bork Linux?

Secret300,

Doubt it

ElderWendigo,

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish is still the name of the game.

sfgifz,

It’s a problem if big corp doesn’t support linux. It’s a problem if big corp supports linux.

ElderWendigo,

I obviously wasn’t speaking in generalities about big corporation, so put away the straw-man argument. This specific corporation, Microsoft, has a long history of using “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish” to stifle competition. Denying or trivializing that concern is at best naive, but more likely just a little bad faith rhetorical trolling.

Solumbran,

=> Big corps are the problem

neshura,

Big Corps aren’t the issue (or well they are but not because they’re big corps), they only become an issue when a regular tool in their playbook is Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. See Facebook, XMPP and the effect that hostile takeover had on their recent plans to create a Fediverse platform. I agree that the Microsoft hate is overblown and unhealthy but to pretend that Microsoft engaging more in Linux is something to be enjoyed without worry is equally a bad idea. There is no guarantee they’ll try to shoehorn their own bad ideas into Linux and quite frankly I think Linux is too big for them to manage that but it is a concern nonetheless.

Still at least with Linux there are plenty of other giants who have a vested interest in making sure the status quo is upheld with no single company having a monopolistic influence on the development so I don’t think there’s any reason to worry about the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook working here at all.

ElderWendigo,

I’m holding out hope (i.e. pure fantasy) that the Embrace, Extend, Extinguish playbook backfires so that Microsoft becomes just another corporation supporting what is basically another Linux distribution, called Windows, and contributing upstream. I suppose it would have to be more like what Apple did with BSD. I feel like they’d still be very able to profit this way and everyone would play together a little better. If there was enough basic and built-in on-by-default interoperability between Windows and things like ssh, NFS, filesystems, etc., many people may never bother uninstalling windows from pre-built devices like laptops that come bundled with it now.

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