hynek,
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Once again, I’m watching a discussion of ppl stipulating PyPA/Python core/Santa Claus to “just pick one packaging workflow tool and go with it” and once again I have to remind everyone that the main problem isn’t a grand conspiracy of someone not wanting to pick & make you suffer, but that due to Python complex history & broad audience, we’ve got many 90% solutions maintained by few people that solve the 90% important to them and that have no bandwidth/interest in fixing the last 10%. [1/2]

hynek, (edited )
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Seeing the assinine blog posts and comments, it really feels like ppl don’t understand how open source development works, at all.

Companies choose to sponsor what's important to them (core sustainability, performance, nogil). Apparently it's not The Perfect Packaging Tool, because THEIR 90% are covered by one of the 90% tools.

If YOU’d like to bankroll a 100% tool, absolutely nobody is stopping you and the PyPA will happily endorse you if you succeed. [2/2]

hynek,
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(the silent part is that you’ll most likely end up with a 90% tool like everybody else)

hvdklauw,
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kaleissin,
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@hynek Insert apppropriate XKCD about standards

brettcannon,
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@kaleissin @hynek It's actually part of the reason why we are focusing on specifying standards around what already exists than trying to force everyone into some tool that doesn't have any standards its following and thus is just convention.

ghickman,
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@hynek oh we’re doing that again are we, joy.

mistersql,
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@hynek What I hear you saying is that Santa Claus is finally using python in his IT department.

hynek,
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@mistersql and even HE can’t figure out the right tool for packaging workflows

StOnSoftware,
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@hynek most people miss a lot of the basic issues of this 5-dimensional problem. I always point them to this great introduction: Managing design data: the five dimensions of CAD frameworks, configuration management, and product data management

https://www.designsociety.org/publication/28058/Managing+Design+Data%2C+Five+Dimensions+Of+CAD+Frameworks

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