Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

I miss the internet

I know this is going to make me sound old – but I miss the internet.

The real internet. The one we used to have. Before it all got so much less – and somehow so much more – complicated.

I went online for the first time around 2001. The 90s had ended, and the world was coming online while I was coming out of my shell and becoming more self-aware.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

I discovered myself – the version of myself that could exist beyond the boundaries of my family, my church life, and my strictly heteronormative world – in endless threads on Absolutepunk.net. It was a place where I could talk about music, my passions, who I was, and who I wanted to be.

I miss that internet.

The one that existed before terms of service. The one that existed before social graphs.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

The one where being a User meant having a degree of respect, not being treated like a retention/churn statistic.

The internet I pine for wasn't perfect – far from it. But its imperfections felt like the quirks of a beloved friend. The slow, warbling dial-up connection tones, the thrill of joining a new forum, the anticipation as you waited for a page to load, and the luxury of anonymity were all part of the charm.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

Back then, the internet felt like a vast frontier, a boundless expanse waiting to be discovered. You didn't so much surf the web as explore it, encountering unknown territories and unexpected gems. Websites were less about utility and more about passion. Amateur webmasters crafted their domains as personal expressions, little slices of their world that they invited you into.

Social media had not yet standardized our online experiences, and content wasn't algorithmically manicured.

kay,

@Daojoan this is something I think about a lot. The early internet was so much smaller, but felt so much bigger.

It was harder to navigate, but the little communities people did create were active.

Its why I like mastodon, it feels a bit janky and small but that makes it -human- in a way that nothing else does anymore.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

The internet felt, somehow, more human, more real. A hodgepodge of self-expression, creativity, and human connection, punctuated by amusingly tacky GeoCities animations and early memes.

Crucially, the internet was a place of self-discovery. It was where you could stumble upon different worldviews, confront your prejudices, engage with others who were different from you – and in doing so, learn more about yourself.

Di4na,
@Di4na@hachyderm.io avatar

@Daojoan i acknowledge the necro. (Gosh i feel the old Internet in this lingo).

I read the whole thread. I think another thing we are losing in these places is not only the self discovery but the educational content. So many niche, socially shunned on communities, managed to finally have educational content of high quality that you could access even if isolated, with limited risks of outing yourself. Or as a way to discover.

So much good niche information used to be on Tumblr.

Di4na,
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@Daojoan this is the other thing i feel we are losing. Youtube LGBTQ educators are particularly visible here, but Tumblr, reddit and all have also seen these declines.

And personal websites are... Well not as good. Hard to find, hard to comment on, hard to share and build a network of them so we all learn and update the content together in said community.

This is the thing i mourn the most. All the work made to help people explore that has no way to get passed easily.

Daojoan,
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For many of us, it was the first space where we could voice our thoughts without fear of judgment, a safe haven where we could explore our identities.

It feels as if we've reached an impasse with the internet of today, a disillusioned juncture from which there's no turning back. The once vast, chaotic, and thrilling digital landscape is now meticulously partitioned, monitored, and optimized, every inch claimed by corporations intent on predicting our behaviors and preferences.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

The sense of exploration, serendipity, and genuine human connection is a nostalgic memory, a distant echo from a bygone era.

The homogeneity of the modern web is disheartening. Every website and platform is just a slight variation on a handful of templates.

peter_timusk,

@Daojoan are we locked in, as Jaron Lanier suggests in his book, “You Are Not A Gadget?”

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

The eccentricity, the vibrant individuality, and the raw expression that once pulsated across the net all seem to have been replaced by either an inoffensive, user-friendly sameness or an algorithm-endorsed near-genocidal mania of hate speech that is somehow deemed socially acceptable.

Worse still, today's internet is a place of scrutiny, surveillance, and unprecedented data exploitation.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

We've traded our privacy and autonomy for the convenience and connectivity it provides, and in so doing, have become commodities in an unseen market. In the pursuit of progress and personalization, we have inadvertently sterilized the very essence of the web, transforming it from a shared experience into a solitary echo chamber.

The internet has always been a reflection of society, but it used to amplify our diversity and creativity. Now, it reflects only our passivity and conformity.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

It's become a mirror to our worst tendencies – to exploit, polarize, and retreat into our comfort zones.

The pioneering spirit of the early internet users, community builders, and webmasters has been lost in the transition to an internet dominated by a handful of tech behemoths. Today's internet feels less like a global community and more like a series of walled gardens, each meticulously maintained to keep out any unpredicted, and thus, unprofitable, elements.

Daojoan,
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Twitter and Reddit, with their sprawling communities and user-generated content, did once feel like the last vestiges of the internet I cherished. They were spaces where individuals from diverse backgrounds could gather, debate, share, and create. But even these platforms, once seen as guardians of the free and open internet, have succumbed to forces shaping the modern web.

Twitter's decline was swift and steep.

Daojoan,
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Under Musk's reign, what was once a public square for lively discourse started resembling a top-down media corporation. The platform began prioritizing monetization over meaningful conversation, controlling narratives rather than fostering organic discussion. The emphasis on free speech and dialogue was replaced by an algorithmic drive towards echo chambers and controversial content that boosted engagement but undermined thoughtful interaction.

Daojoan,
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Reddit's transformation was equally painful to witness. The self-proclaimed “front page of the internet” was once a haven for vibrant, niche communities united by shared interests and a commitment to open discussion. But in recent years, it has betrayed this principle. Increasing monetization, invasive advertising, and heavy enforcement of controversial content policies have eroded the sense of community that once defined the platform.

Daojoan,
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Reddit's commitment to user privacy – a vital pillar of my early internet – has been questionable. The platform's data collection and sharing practices have undermined user trust, further distancing it from the haven it used to be. For those who grew up idolizing Aaron Schwartz – this feels like a slap in the face.

It is disheartening to see these platforms – once symbols of the internet's potential for democratized content creation and community building – transform in this way.

Daojoan,
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Their decline serves as a painful reminder of the relentless corporatization of the internet, leaving us yearning for the digital wilderness that once was. It feels as if we're witnessing the last vestiges of the open, user-centric web being snuffed out, with little more than a resigned sigh echoing in the corporate-dominated void that remains.

I know it's not all doom and gloom; platforms like Mastodon, Bluesky, and Warpcast exist, and we can still build things we love.

Daojoan,
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But I can't shake the feeling that we're all too tired now to make a difference. To view these platforms with anything but a weary sense of resignation.

It's the relentless cycle of hype and disappointment, the constant fight for privacy and agency, or the Sisyphean task of carving out spaces of authenticity in an increasingly commodified web. Maybe we've just grown weary of the relentless pace, the performative pressure, the ceaseless barrage of content that the modern internet demands.

Daojoan,
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We're worn out, and who can blame us? The endless scroll, the relentless push notifications, and the constant pressure to consume, share, and engage are exhausting. We've been conditioned to equate our worth with our online presence, to quantify our lives in likes and retweets, and to shrug off hours and hours of traumatic content that just leaves us feeling numb.

And that brings me to the heart of it. I miss the internet.

Daojoan,
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But to a degree, I also miss the person I was back when I had it; the person who had more energy and more fucks to give, who wasn't quite so jaded by it all.

I miss the wide-eyed curiosity, the unbridled excitement, and the audacious hope we brought to our early digital voyages.

The internet was a fresh frontier; we were pioneers, ready to stake our claim in the vast digital expanse. We weren't just interacting with the technology; we were shaping it, molding it in our image.

Daojoan,
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We were innovators, creators, and dreamers. We didn't just use the internet; we lived it.

And we stopped being those people. Or at least I did. It wasn't abrupt. It was a gradual, creeping realization. The signs were minor at first. A slight annoyance at an unsolicited ad, a waning interest in a trending hashtag, a growing fatigue from scrolling through perfectly curated social media feeds. But, before I knew it, I had stopped experiencing joy online.

ShadSterling,

@Daojoan a lot of it is from outside the internet; capitalism has squeezed more free time and capacity for creation and dreaming out of everyone. The internet has some unique dynamics, but a lot of the degradation of the internet is a symptom of the degradation of society in general, lost to extractive capitalism

Daojoan,
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I used to log on with a sense of anticipation. What new song would I discover? What enlightening article would I stumble upon? What fascinating discussions would I be part of? But as the internet evolved, these moments of joy became increasingly sparse. They were replaced with a sense of obligation, an expectation to constantly engage, stay up-to-date, and project a flawless digital persona.

I was no longer exploring the internet; I merely existed on it.

Daojoan,
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My time online was dominated by consumption – reading, watching, scrolling – but the thrill of discovery was gone. I was constantly absorbing content, but it felt hollow, unsatisfying.

This vast digital realm that once felt like a playground had morphed into a workspace, an arena where I was always on, always available, always performing. The pressure to engage, network, and optimize every post for maximum reach and impact sucked the joy out of the experience.

Daojoan,
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The relentless cycle of consumption and creation, coupled with the growing intrusion of privacy and the manipulation of personal data, added to my disillusionment. The fun, vibrant chaos of the early internet was replaced by a sleek, homogenized, and overly commercialized version.

In essence, my relationship with the internet had fundamentally changed. It was no longer a joyful escape, a space for self-discovery and connection.

Daojoan,
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Instead, it had become a source of stress, a battleground of competing agendas that demanded more than it gave.

And so, I changed. I became less patient, less curious, more cynical. The person who once delighted in the boundless possibilities of the internet had been replaced by someone wearied by its limitations, disillusioned by its transformation, and disheartened by its lost potential. And I lost a part of myself.

Daojoan,
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The internet is still a powerful tool, an essential communication, learning, and activism conduit. It's a platform that can amplify marginalized voices and catalyze social change. We've seen this with movements like Black Lives Matter and the push for trans rights, where the internet has been instrumental in raising awareness, building solidarity, and driving action.

Daojoan,
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These movements have leveraged the internet's global reach to share stories, expose injustices, and mobilize support on a scale that would have been unthinkable in the pre-digital age. The internet has allowed them to bypass traditional gatekeepers, connect with allies across the globe, and shape public discourse in a profound and enduring way.

But the platforms enabling this activism have also shown a disconcerting indifference to these struggles.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

After all, these platforms' priority is to keep users engaged – to keep us clicking, scrolling, and reacting. This drive for engagement has often led to the commodification of activism, reducing profoundly personal and political struggles to hashtags and trend cycles.

Whether engagement comes from positive affirmation or from conflict doesn't really matter to these platforms as long as it keeps users on the site interacting with the content.

Daojoan,
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This can – and does – only lead to a perverse situation where these platforms benefit from activism and its backlash. Controversy, after all, drives clicks as much as consensus.

This reality often leads to a distorted representation of social movements. Nuanced debates are flattened into sound bites, complex issues are reduced to binary positions, and the voices of extremists are often amplified at the expense of those seeking constructive dialogue.

Daojoan,
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I have to believe we can still shape some kind of future for the internet.

I have to believe that it's not too late.

We need to engage critically with the technology we use. To interrogate the business models, challenge the data practices, and resist the urge to reduce our interactions to transactions.

Because it's not just reshaping the internet – it's also reshaping ourselves. The internet has always been a mirror, reflecting our interests, our concerns, our hopes, and our fears.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

As we strive to build a more inclusive, respectful, and diverse digital realm, we're also revealing what kind of people we aspire to be.

It demands patience, persistence, and a willingness to challenge powerful incumbents. It requires us to not only reimagine the internet but also to reimagine ourselves as more than passive consumers of digital content.

But it's a challenge worth taking on.

Daojoan,
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Because at stake is not just the future of the internet, but the future of how we learn, communicate and connect; our right to shape the technology that, in turn, shapes us.

In the process, we may find that we've become the very people we've been longing for – individuals who are not just observers of change but drivers of it. Individuals who don't just use the internet but influence it. Individuals who are not just shaped by the web but who shape it in return.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

And in that process of shaping and being shaped, we might rediscover the joy, the excitement, the sense of possibility that first drew us to the digital frontier.

sphinx,

@Daojoan

Nostalgia can be a trap, and very often what we miss most about Ye Guid Auld Dayes is how we FELT back then. And sometimes we only felt that way because we understood less of the world.

But there's no going back; forward is the only direction we have. And while The Good Old Internet will never return — if it ever really existed in the first place — we can build a Better New Internet that keeps what was good about it while improving on its faults.

liztai,
@liztai@hachyderm.io avatar

@sphinx @Daojoan I miss it too. I mourn for it, but I still hope we can make human spaces where they don't bother us.

jens,
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@Daojoan Well. Use your marketing skills to help @interpeer and we might get there again.

LukasHielscher,

@Daojoan wow thank you! What a wonderful read and I agree a lot with it.

ArneBab,
@ArneBab@rollenspiel.social avatar

@Daojoan thank you for this wonderful thread!

irenes,
@irenes@mastodon.social avatar

@Daojoan we have to say: we're tired, but we're still fighting. this stuff is too important to give up on. one big important thing is for those of us who saw the whole thing to teach the history to younger people, so it's not just us who can do stuff.

AbandonedAmerica,
@AbandonedAmerica@mastodon.social avatar

@Daojoan What a fantastic and poignant thread. It really crystalizes a lot of how I feel about going from someone who enjoyed sharing art to being a "content creator", which feels kind of gross many days - what was once a fun thing I liked creating/publishing feels like a commodified mess defined by metrics. I just haven't had the drive for my work and I think this explains a large part of that. So, thank you. I'm glad I found and am following your account now.

magdalenahai,
@magdalenahai@mstdn.social avatar

@Daojoan honestly, this thread is everything. This is the internet experience of my generation right here. We went from wilderness to factories.

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

@magdalenahai thank you for reading!

shankarux,
@shankarux@mastodon.social avatar

@Daojoan wonderful thread. And many might call this nostalgic narrative but this is really about losing the internet we had. Thanks for sharing.

mloxton,
@mloxton@med-mastodon.com avatar

@Daojoan
Lordy, Joan, what an amazing thread!

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

@mloxton thank you!

ArneBab,
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@Daojoan I fondly remember being back in the German Shadowrun E-Mail list, 2 hours each day laughing and reading excitedly, and jokingly asking certain 3-Letter-Agency-Agents to bring pizza when we discussed stuff again that no one sane would discuss online these days.

We were certain they had set up filters to get rid of our false positives because 200 people throwing around trigger words in roleplaying discussions felt like a lot.

When I talked under a pseudonym to be away from classmates.

kitten_tech,
@kitten_tech@fosstodon.org avatar

@ArneBab @Daojoan from observing my children, the current home foe that sort of banter is Discord channels.

Discord will eventually enshittify and it'll move elsewhere... I think people want to connect and share, so they find a way, but they're constantly having to move as the social media corps come and try to commodotise them. Sometimes they'll find a home that works well, sometimes not so well.

ArneBab,
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@kitten_tech I see that, too. Losing our homes repeatedly caused severe damage to social connections.

Because every time you move elsewhere, a part of your circles is lost. People who earn their money with their followings talk about losing 30% on each platform move. For groups of friends, that will cause many to just dissolve after a move.

@Daojoan

Asterisk42,

@Daojoan In my youth, it was fun to hire a juke box, a sports arena and create our own LAN and play games for a weekend. Corporates sponsored the idea and lurked in the background. Newsgroups, irc, and custom websites were the norm. Somehow we've been corrupted by corp money, viral excitement. We should be at our grassroots and create our own private Internets, which I think is now happening. Should be fun.

danblondell,
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@Daojoan YES

gerakies,
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@Daojoan I’ve downloaded your zine and can feel how deep from the heart this came. You have really touched on how, I think, all those excited pioneers now feel. I used the internet when it was still called Arpanet and being thrilled to chat with diverse yet like minded people from all around the world, when geographic location still had meaning, when respect and courtesy were the norm. Thank you for this trip down memory lane. It’s refreshing to remember better days. Gerry.

fds,
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@Daojoan I guess no one feels they can become a billion dollar business on open formats and protocols.

PixelBandits,
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@Daojoan 100% with you on this. when the internet was a kind of wild west of sorts. we pushed the boundaries like web pioneers.

So much you could find back then. good and bad.

Laurametflix,

@Daojoan Hello Congratulations did you get notified about the PCH palliative benefit care program

tipyn,

@Daojoan hard same 🥺

zachery_delong,
@zachery_delong@mastodon.social avatar

@Daojoan it's really interesting to me how old internet and new internet social norms diverge. I spent a ton of time on forums and whatnot, and that has massively impacted how I deal with trolls (I.e. just block them and move on.) My friends and family who don't have that background get baited so often on social media and it boggles my mind, but I think "don't feed the trolls" hasn't really become a mainstream internet thing yet?

tomlock,

@Daojoan I discovered mmm.page recently and it was such a delight to build a website with. It reminded me of what the internet used to feel like.

Been thinking a lot lately about how it's just become an attention trap, and content creator hook. A bit sad.

ekis,
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@Daojoan There are pockets that still exist, and many hide in plain-sight; like an empty blog with hidden forums behind it.

But definitely not public. Not quite dark-web but not public either.

oliverschwarz,

@Daojoan Beautifully written, thank you. But I think it's still out there. It's us. It doesn't need to be fixed. You just have to look for it. Good luck & wish you all the best!

Megazillion,

@Daojoan Been saying it’s jumped the shark. Anything that can benefit the people will be destroyed by corporations because it becomes a threat.

jimcarroll,
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@Daojoan you should have been around in 1985

Daojoan,
@Daojoan@mastodon.social avatar

@jimcarroll I’ve always felt that

Eka_FOOF_A,
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@Daojoan @jimcarroll I really miss those very early years. I learned so much.

mambear404,

@Daojoan

That'll do, Brooks. For you and me both.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LVwPuCBtMEk

ed209,

@Daojoan I know this is an old post but it makes me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rimtaSgGz_4

lauren,
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@Daojoan I started on the Net (at the time, ARPANET) around 30 years earlier than you, at ARPANET site #1 (UCLA). It was certainly different back then, but I urge not viewing the history of the Net through rose-tinted glasses. 20/20 hindsight can be deceptive!

Christofurio,

My experience was akin to yours. I had a very slow start to what I think of as my proper professional life. I didn't start getting regular work as a writer/newsie -- a goal since adolescence-- until I was close to 40 YO. And it was late '90s internet that let me do that. God bless those days!

@Daojoan I went online for the first time around 2001. The 90s had ended, and the world was coming online while I was coming out of my shell and becoming more self-aware.

toplesstopics,
@toplesstopics@eldritch.cafe avatar

@Daojoan
A/S/L? (jk. Reading this did remind me of many hours spent chatting with online friends in Yahoo! Chat rooms. Though our first internet connection was when I was about ten in the mid 90s, so I don't remember if a/s/L (age/sex/location) was still a thing in 2001.

ned,
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@Daojoan Yeah, I miss my BBS, dial-up modem, and our monthly in-person meet-ups at a local coffee house. ;)

kuridala,

@Daojoan I believe the internet died when Facebook went public - we just didn't realise it at the time.

ArneBab,
@ArneBab@rollenspiel.social avatar

@Daojoan You may want to try Freenet / Hyphanet: https://www.hyphanet.org/pages/download.html

As a user said:

That’s Freenet. It’s the internet that should have been.
— Red, 2021

alexanderhay,
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@Daojoan I guess that's why and appeal to me. Not because of , which is a delirium we can ill afford, but to mourn and remember futures that could have been, and perhaps may one day still be realised.

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