Wie immer sehr empfehlenswert: Erica Zingers Kolumne auf @tazgetroete - diesmal über die antisemitischen Demonstrationen an der Columbia University. Tröstet ein bisserl hinweg, über das, was man in der taz sonst zum Thema manchmal lesen muss…
Oh no, the flag of a nation is being rubbished because of the genocidal behavior of its government. I am old enough to remember the US flag being burnt by students in protest of Vietnam, or by Iranian students in protest of the Shah. US students, citizens were furious.
Israel is not the Jewish community and rebuke of its conduct is not antisemitism.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell
"We can't be antisemitic, some of our co-protestors are jews"🤡😑
We all know very well, that this is far right argumentation, Hamas-style. You doing the international propaganda-work for this homophobic, misogynistic terror organization by negating and downplaying their unspeakable, ongoing terror is like a stab in the back not only for the jewish victims, but even more for palestinians.
The far right persuades by mendacity. I would suggest y’all go refresh your memory on the 9th commandment and its violation.
Briefly: Hamas was funded by Bibi. Israel’s far right are branding protesting Jews as antisemitic; a fascist nationalist state dictating what it is to be Jewish.
Likud, and the fascist billionaire Koch network are allies.
Israel has already killed 5% of Gaza’s population with many more on the way. There’s no hiding it.
You really have a little strange ideas about other people. But it's an old trick: You make your opponents the way you need them, so that you can hit them even better.
Many streams of Judaism have those strange ideas and Israel is busy having them jailed as anti-semites for opposing the war.
Instead of considering the proposition at all, dealing with any facts or arguments, you’ve quickly classified it a particular way and in your mind defined me as an opponent and maybe an enemy. Nice trick that.
@GhostOnTheHalfShell
Well, I felt treated like an opponent - was I wrong? Then sorry.
Might be because I am not a native-speaker.
And the conflict is too complicated to discuss it profoundly in 500 letters.
Just reading Benny Morris‘ „1948“ about the roots of the conflict (645 pages;) goddamn it is complicated….
@thiesmarsen@GhostOnTheHalfShell It's not the fact that you're not a native speaker. It's the fact you've tried to justify genocide by Israel more than a couple of times.
It's the fact you're actually a fuxking weakass racist who is scared about consequences of being a fucking racist in public & you're fuxking failing at backtracking.
Maybe don't try being a fuxking racist is a better path to start walking before talking to me again.
Private or not - being racist is an awful character trait.
Nothing says #antisemitism like the murder of 35000 Semitic Civilians in #Gaza
The students who are demonstrating in the USA aren't anti-Semitic, they are PRO-semitic and anti-Genocide.
The zionist rightwing Israeli government is Anti-semitic and PRO-Genocide
@jonburr@thiesmarsen@tazgetroete The PM of Israel happens to belong to a particular religion. It is him that we are anti. If he were Christian, Muslim, agnostic etc we'd still hate him
I wouldn’t use the word hate, but of course Netanyahu is one of the main problems for Israel and the whole region.
But why do you want to close all Israeli embassies? Are you against Israel or against the actual far right Israeli government?
And of course there are several other problems in the region, to get rid of: the biggest one starts with h and ends with amas…
And there is this other problem starts with I and ends with ran
@thiesmarsen@jonburr@tazgetroete I want a message sent. Israelis are left in ignorance of what most of the world thinks about what they are doing. There a tiny amount of sanctions but pin pricks. I'd like El Al to be treated like Aeroflot and banned. But a loud message needs to be sent
And how about closing all Iranian embassies? Or all from Katar?
And I am sure that Israelis recognize what’s going on in the rest of the world - and they recognize the absolute lack of empathy for all the murdered, raped, tortured, kidnapped Israeli men, women and children. And also the refusal within those who call themselves progressive to take note of the responsibility of Hamas and other Palestinian groups for the actual situation.
Sad but true.
Israelis need to understand, they have used up their "international credit of sympathy and goodwill" after 6 months of committing genocide and well-documented warcrimes in Gaza, and also, to a lesser degree, in the West Bank.
The cycle of violence is never ended by more war. All the propaganda you’ve been fed has in its great majority been debunked. The IDF slaughtered Israelis in fear and terror of their own failure to respect the intelligence of an attack, and leave the border with Gaza undefended because the bulk of the IDF was deployed to protect illegal settlers ethnically cleansing the West Bank.
Fuck Hamas. Half of my family is Polish. Germany invaded Poland in 1939 with the intent of erasing the nation . Shall I explain to you the massacres each side of the conflict engaged in?
20% of the population died to WWII. 1.8 m in death camps beyond the Jewish population from Poland, and we don’t talk so much about Polish reprisals to German Poles.
The state dept est 100k dead to this war. All you can think of is Samuel 15-3.
@thiesmarsen@GhostOnTheHalfShell@JohnLoader6@jonburr@tazgetroete If you don't want to talk about US invasions on foreign countries & about decades of Israel oppression & about how resistance armies wouldn't even exist if oppression never happened - then it is you who is terrified of looking at wider perspectives & it is you with a short lens. That's a YOU problem. Deal with yourself.
@thiesmarsen@GhostOnTheHalfShell@JohnLoader6@jonburr@tazgetroete And before you even try to foolishly beak off back at me - you need to fuxking recognize I'm an US invasion on Vietnam survivor & US mass murdered over half of my family & many of my family & loved ones are still suffering from Agent Orange & leftover war munitions to this day. I was conceived in a bomb shelter. You're a privileged person. You should get more educated about other peoples & grow some fu×king HUMANITY.
@msquebanh@GhostOnTheHalfShell@jonburr@tazgetroete A war that was for politics and achieved nothing but death, destruction and long term harm to all. Kept going even when Kissinger knew it couldn't be won. Throw a few more GIs into the death pit. My father suffered what would now be called PTSD after WW2. I had to teach my young grandchildren never to touch his head even he invited them onto his lap as it had bad results
Ups. Sorry. I have to correct myself. To shout out "Go back to Poland!", "You have no culture; all you do is colonize!", "Al-Qassam [Brigades], make us proud, take out another soldier!" Or: "We say justice - you say how? Burn down Tel Aviv. Come on, Hamas, we love you. We also support your rockets“ is of course not antisemitism. just hatred of Jews . Thanks for your objection
@jonburr@tazgetroete
To speak out against antisemitism is supporting genocide?
And to celebrate a terror organization that openly promotes genocide against Jews (and by the way: the killing of queers, feminists, leftists and everything that is progressiv) is something to be proud of?
Interesting.
@thiesmarsen@jonburr@tazgetroete You're defending & supporting a terrorist, openly genocidal state. It is YOU, who needs to get their head checked - not most of us, who have humanity in our hearts & souls. You are a bad sealioner. Try to be less obvious, on future sealioning attempts. I'm not gonna treat you with kid gloves like some others are here. You're an adult. I deal with adults, with adult gloves.
Grow the fuxk up, beyond your hasbara programming, if you want to evolve as a human.
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