bobjmsn,
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CrypticMirror,
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@bobjmsn I remember my grandfather telling me that his father never went more than five miles away from his home in his entire life, because that was a day's walk and back. And my grandfather said that with a bike he could get a whole ten miles and back in a single day.

Then he bought a car in his 40s. And then he could go 40/50 miles. And I own a car, and can go a hundred miles, or even jump a plane and go thousands if I want.

I'm not going back to bike or foot travel. Not voting .

Wen,
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@CrypticMirror @bobjmsn More loss to you then I am afraid. A bicycle and feet are wonderful ways to travel. They don't need to be exclusive.

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  • CrypticMirror,
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    @spytfyre @Wen @bobjmsn

    Doesn't mean I shouldn't, either. Nor should it mean personal freedom of movement becomes the preserve of the rich, again. Because that is what the car and cheap air travel was, the great leveller between rich and poor. And I have had my fill of eco-fascism that serves only to restrict the options open to the poor.

    Wen,
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    @CrypticMirror @spytfyre @bobjmsn You seem a little limited in your outlook. 🤨

    CrypticMirror,
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    @Wen @spytfyre @bobjmsn

    Ad hominem. Also, argument by distraction.

    Thanks for playing.

    Wen,
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    @CrypticMirror @spytfyre @bobjmsn Ad hominem? No just an observation of what many would perceive as a limited and parochial point of view I am afraid.

    CrypticMirror,
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    @Wen @spytfyre @bobjmsn

    Still going with the insult instead of the argument. Okay, plonk.

    Wen,
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    @CrypticMirror @spytfyre @bobjmsn Still desperately searching for insults where they don’t exist? Ditto.

    Wen,
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    @spytfyre @bobjmsn

    Oh dear. I see what you meant. Desperate to find insults from any argument….

    CrypticMirror,
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    @Wen @bobjmsn

    Last week I went to the beach. That beach is thirty miles away. In fact, I went to a couple. Then I came home for tea. And I didn't even plan that. I went to Tesco first. But it was such a nice day, and my day off, I thought I'd have some fun too.

    That is what having a car means. Spontaneous fun. Tell me why I shouldn't. Tell me in such a way that it isn't a restriction, or a sign of austerity. Tell me in such a way that it isn't "know your place".

    Wen,
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    @CrypticMirror @bobjmsn There is no reason why you must not have a car - that is your choice. As far as the beach goes - a bus, a shared lift?

    If you can justify having one and the waster it entails then that is your decision. Of course you might not be able to afford one unless you are very well off, and you may then come to regret not supporting decent infrastructure when you could.

    Your choice.

    CrypticMirror,
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    @Wen @bobjmsn

    How many buses are we gonna have? Because it takes two just to get to my tesco. That is over an hour away. Plus I cannot carry as much on the bus as I can in my car. So multiple bus trips. There goes my day. Just on tesco. Now, throw in the spontaneous nature of the trip. The out of the way nature.

    Starting to see why your options are not options?

    Wen,
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    @CrypticMirror @bobjmsn Two buses and an hour away - considered a bicycle/tricycle?

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