fkamiah17,
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Caledonian separatism? Is he trying to paint Scotland as a terrorist state?

geomannie,
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@fkamiah17 Tom Harris is and always was a full-on Tory. He used to be my MP and from my interactions with him he has no redeeming features. This article is par for the course. It's just a pot boiler to give him another pay day.

Lassielmr,
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@fkamiah17 Harris - the ex Lab MP turned Tory and now working for the Tories, the Torygraph (he was a journalist) and was Scottish Director of Vote Leave. As a Labour MP he was forced to step down from his internet adviser role after he posted a video portraying Alex Salmond as Hitler. He’s a nasty piece. Oh and he loves to tell you he’s a Christian.

fkamiah17,
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@Lassielmr Blimey. I mean, obviously he's a crank but that's quite a cv ...

geomannie,
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@Lassielmr @fkamiah17
He wasn't very Christian when he was canvassing in the street & I wanted to discuss his support for the proposed ID card bill. His closure of the discussion was to call me an arsehole and suggest that I tweet that description of me to my SNP friends. Clearly a powerful political brain.

Selena,
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@geomannie @Lassielmr @fkamiah17
He may be a loon, but gotta say, ID cards really aren't that bad.
In Europe there was a bit of 'just like Hitler' when we first got them, then a few years of police thinking double price if they ticketed someone for something else and they didn't have an ID card on them, but nowadays it's just another card next to your debitcard and public-transport card.
Afaic an effective government needs to know where people live and work 🤷

geomannie,
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@Selena @Lassielmr @fkamiah17 I am fine with ID cards. It was the creation of a central register of every transaction made using ID verification that I was questioning.

fkamiah17,
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@geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr That, and the government databases are so open to hacking (see China's hack on the electoral commission this week).

RosePuckey,
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@geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr @fkamiah17 Every transaction with a debit/credit card/web transaction/phone/smart watch is recorded. If needed, the last two of those can then be triangulated, even if location is turned off, to within a few metres. It is possible to be untraceable but not easy. And that's without ID cards.

fkamiah17,
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@RosePuckey @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr Yes, I remember that was mentioned in the CitizenFour documentary.

RosePuckey,
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@fkamiah17 @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr For me the scary thing is removal of our freedom of movement based on location. Even without being cashless, atm machines can refuse withdrawals based on location and so can card usage. With the likes of charter cities, this is a scary prospect. If we have payment methods registered on our phones, pay per use of these cities could be automatic.

I really am not into conspiracy rubbish, the technology for this is here now.

fkamiah17,
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@RosePuckey @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr No, I agree. It's easy to come of as a tinfoil hat wearer but the basic fact is this has been happening for a long time.

RosePuckey,
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@fkamiah17 @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr Phew, I often try to explain stuff like this and about charter cities but usually get a barrage of moronic rhetoric and jokes about tin foil. I have more than one phone, and that's a source of amusement for some people. A personal one, a work one and another one. Privacy is no longer something we are guaranteed.

fkamiah17,
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@RosePuckey @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr Like many things, people don't want to know in case it disrupts their comfortable lives. The dark authoritarian side of charter cities, free ports, "special investment zones" etc is well documented, if you know where to look.
It's the main reason I've resisted getting a smartphone thus far. I only bought one last year (although I'm not using it yet) because they're shutting off 3G. It WILL NOT have a data package.

RosePuckey,
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@fkamiah17 @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr Isn't 8t just the data side thats going though? So for those who need a phone signal, it'll still work but without the privacy invasive data?

fkamiah17,
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@RosePuckey @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr Idk, I thought it was the whole network, calls and all? I'll have to find out.

RosePuckey,
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@fkamiah17 @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr I had a look for my old boy next door who only has a dumb phone, I'm sure he will be okay as he wouldn't know what data was if it introduced itself. Of I'm wrong I really need to know so I can help him somehow.

fkamiah17,
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@RosePuckey @geomannie @Selena @Lassielmr I'll let you know if I find out any different 👍

CloudyMrs,
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@fkamiah17 add this narrative to his chum Goves plans to make any expression of dissent against the British State illegal, and you might reasonably predict where this ends. They've already closed down all political routes towards independence, so making the expression of a wish for independence illegal isn't a huge leap.

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