Why do people say "Catholics and Christians" in (USA) when Catholics are also Christians, as if they refer to it as a different religion.

Is this some sort of remnant of evangelical puritan protestant ideology?

I don’t understaun this.

If you ask me, it’d make as much sense as Orthodox and Christians… or Shia and Muslim…

I know not all Christians are Catholics but for feck’s sake…

They’re all Christians to me…

Edit:

It’s a U.S thing but this is the sort of things I hear…

www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Christian.html

I am a Catholic. Why should I consider becoming a Christian?

I now know more distinctions (apparently Catholicism requires duty and salvation is process, unlike Protestantism?) but I still think they’re of a similar branch (Christianity) so I just wonder the social factor

Leviathan,

They mean Catholics and Protestants but they’re morons and their religious leaders have convinced them that Catholics are somehow not Christians.

ctkatz,

just about every christian I know sees other sects and offshoots as a separate religion. it’s very sneech-like.

Plibbert,

Catholics believe in a religious hierarchy, Cardinals, bishops, Pope e.t.c.

Christians USUALLY think hierarchy in religion is almost blasphemous. But really it’s just so they can kinda just do whatever the fuck they want and not worry about the Pope excommunicating them.

chemicalprophet,

Discrimination and division are like 99% of what religion is about.

butsbutts,

same shit different pile?

Glass0448,

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Jesse, WTF are you talking about

I’ve never heard the phrase Catholic and Christians before. Catholic vs Protestant maybe.

intensely_human,

Ketchup and condiments

RGB3x3,

I worked with a Southern Baptist guy who legitimately thought Catholic aren’t real Christians.

I have no idea how he thought Southern Baptism is somehow more Christian than the much much older version.

humdrumgentleman, (edited )

I was raised evangelical protestant in the USA, at some point attending both Seventh-day Adventist and Pentacostal churches. My mother did not consider my Catholic grandparents to be Christians, based on her belief that one cannot be saved by confession/prayer to a saint or clergy instead of directly to Christ. As many other have said, this is not the mainstream definition.

ForgotAboutDre,

Protestants came about at the same time printing and reading became more common. People came to understand the bible better. They found that their local priest or Catholic church wasn’t representing the bible very well. Some priests couldn’t read and were just making it up.

Catholics practice many things that go against the teachings in the bible. They worships false profits (saints, Mary, popes, etc). They practice religion with lots of ceremony and publicity. They also acted as gatekeepers to God, despite Jesus talking about having a personal relationship with God.

The Catholic church was caught out and many people were unhappy with it. So they left it in protest. Hence protestant being used to describe these new enlightenment era Christians.

A protestant would not think that leaving the Catholic church is abandoning God. They would have to see it as the right path to follow God. It’s not consistent for a protestant to say they follow the teachings of Christ and the Catholic church is Christian. Any protestant saying Catholics are Christian hasn’t put a great deal of thought into it. However, it would be appropriate for someone studying, categorising or discussing religions to call both Catholics and Protestant’s Christians.

There is also a long history of discrimination between Catholics and Protestants. Protestants country’s retained more of their own wealth and political decision making. Protestantism was more successful in places where literacy was higher. Both these factors lead to protestant countries being wealthier, more prosperous and lead to earlier and more successful industrialisation. This created the situation that many people were immigrants from Catholic countries to protestant ones. Like today, they faced discrimination. The religious difference of the incoming immigrants heightened the conflict. This also made it easier for people in both religions to see it as separate and different.

Default_Defect,
@Default_Defect@midwest.social avatar

Catholic my nuts

exanime,

You are correct, Catholics are a subset of Christianity… But similarly how people assume a “doctor” is a medical practitioner, Christians has become the informal name for “Protestant” or “evangelicals”

Basically “Christians” tend to mean, anything not “Catholic” (which is old school, visibly indistinguible from others in the Christendom)

OldWoodFrame,

But if Eastern Orthodox counts as “Christian” while Catholicism doesn’t, that destroys the reasoning. If Eastern Orthodox doesn’t count, then you’re just referring to Protestants.

I don’t think there’s any explanation other than anti-Catholic bias, Protestants just want to claim their way of doing Christianity is the only way.

exanime,

I don’t really know all the details dude… My answer was just based on observations I have made in America (north and south)

I do not think Eastern Orthodox counts as “Christians” either btw

In any case, there may be no logical reason as I believe it is just a matter of misuse of the terms… Exactly how an “American” is interpreted as “from the USA” and not “from any country in the American continent” which is actually the meaning

intensely_human,

Wow. Zero information.

Leviathan,

Basically “Christians” tend to mean, anything not “Catholic”

This is insanity. This is a purely American thing.

kandoh,

Think of it as two different tribes

OldWoodFrame,

Catholics and Protestants are two different tribes. They’re all Christians.

Dippy,

Yeah, but protestants in this country have such a historied animosity that catholics kind of ceded the term in certain contexts

NigelFrobisher,

Schism was the very first thing the Christian church learned to do.

intensely_human,

Christian was the case that they gave me

cupcakezealot,
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because historically lumping protestants and catholics together has not ended well.

let_me_tank_her,
@let_me_tank_her@hexbear.net avatar

as someone that grew up in the South and was surrounded by evangelicals, Catholics were seen as weird/possibly satanic, depending on the person, and not really Christians because of the saints and Mary worship. They’re polytheistic since they don’t just focus on Jesus Christ.

Adkml,

Catholics do a bunch of stuff other Christians think makes them not Christina.

The biggest one is the pope, catholic lore says the pope is the literal spokesperson for God on earth all other religions he doesn’t have authority.

Idolatry: other Christian religions don’t have a lot of images of saints or anybody other than christ and basically think catholics are wrong for worshipping Mary and saints on the same level as Jesus. Similarly it’s the difference between catholic crucifixes (has the dead guy on them) vs regular crosses

Transubstantiation: according to catholic lore when the alter boy rings the bell that is LITERALLY the body and blood of christ you’re eating. Pretty sure other religions think this is a step too far.

figaro,

Christina be cray

Churbleyimyam,

Ah this makes me nostalgic for my Religious Studies. I seem to remember there being similar differences between Theravada and Mahayana Buddhism.

rollingflower,

“You should not have an image if God”

Literally just take “his” “son” and depict him as a white man. Lol.

GrayBackgroundMusic,

other Christians think makes them not Christina.

Love this typo.

pixelscript,

As an American who was raised Lutheran, who was taught a bunch of Romance-Euro-centric world history in school, I always considered Roman Catholic to be the “default” flavor of Christianity. Protestantism in all of its forms are hard forks. It’s in the name, even–the Roman Catholic church is what Protestants are “protesting”.

To unironically “-and Zoidberg” Catholicism out of Christianity while leaving Protestant flavors included feels completely backwards. I’ve never heard anyone do it.

But if I did, I could only assume it was due to some No True Scotsman bullshit. “Only we practice the correct way. Everyone else isn’t just interpreting it differently, but interpreting it wrong.” Sounds like an Evangelical line of thought to me.

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