fiat_lux,

31 US states and Washington, D.C. have laws allowing forced sterilization of disabled people. It just needs a judge to sign the order.

IndyRap,

Genetically disabled people I suppose I wouldn’t be opposed to.

My family has a history of alcoholism, bipolar disorder, and depression, and a history of trauma spanning 3 generations.

One of the many reasons I’m not having kids.

This is one of those if you wouldn’t be happy it happening to yourself you shouldn’t consider it for others. In this case I feel like it would be justified but socially wrong.

A lot of problems would be solved if we were objective about our problems as human and a society.

x4740N,

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  • fiat_lux,

    This is one of those if you wouldn’t be happy it happening to yourself you shouldn’t consider it for others.

    Would undergoing a medical procedure without your consent also qualify?

    IndyRap,

    Like a circumcision lol.

    fiat_lux,

    What makes you think that I thought circumcision was OK? And fo you understand in what ways sterilisation and circumcision are not medically equivalent procedures in terms of risk and recovery?

    IndyRap,

    I didn’t say it was. It’s cleared you’re charged up and ready to take this conversation with a clear objective approach.

    DessertStorms,
    DessertStorms avatar

    You choosing not to have kids due to family history isn't justification for motherfucking eugenics, you ableist.

    IndyRap,

    👍

    herrcaptain,

    I initially didn’t recall the “fact or piece of information” in the post title and thought, “well this is a weird tip …”

    x4740N,

    Why am I not surprised the united states of america also known as the “un-united shithole of america” legally allows eugenics

    And you have those bigots in america that appoint bigoted judges if they get voted in if I recall correctly from news from america, I’m glad I don’t live in america

    People in red states with a disability, I suggest you leave those states and head to a blue state away from the bigots and if you have the means to do so become an expatriate and leave the united states of america and head to a more open and progressive country

    Naich,
    Naich avatar

    99.9% of people have more in common with an illegal immigrant than Elon Musk. Their problems aren't caused by people arriving in small boats, but those arriving in private jets.

    intensely_human,

    People who have things in common, even people who’d be best friends, even those who are best friends, can compete for resources and cause problems just by existing.

    Like, extreme case, not enough food in zombie apocalypse scenario and you find more survivors, doesn’t matter how good those people are it’s a problem that they’re part of the group.

    It doesn’t mean the people are enemies, just that their presence is a problem.

    Now, it’s probably the case that they should be allowed to move from country to country because otherwise you don’t have competition between countries to attract people. People need to be able to choose their associations in order to be free, and people should be able to move countries.

    It’s a free market in that sense, and the suffering of people whose home country’s resources are strained by immigration isn’t as powerful as the suffering these people are leaving to come here, and when those two levels equalize the immigration pressure will stop. People will be going the other direction just as much.

    And I think that’s all totally fair. I think people should be able to vote with their feet and go wherever is best for them.

    But then being similar or dissimilar, good or bad, none of that is necessary for it to create simple resource competition problems.

    triptrapper,

    All of this would be valid if we were lacking the resources to support our current population, and if every person consumed an equal amount. Unfortunately, certain people (i.e. the mega-rich and more generally Americans) are consuming resources at an unfair and unsustainable rate. You’re suggesting that scarcity is the natural result of immigration and population. In a vacuum that’s reasonable, but in real life we have a small number of people sucking up exponentially more than the rest.

    femboy_bird,

    Gender and sex are not the same thing. Gender is an emotion experience, sex is a biological categorization based on an individual’s role in reproduction. Gender and sex needn’t match. Gender can change (mine often does), sex cannot. Just like sex people do not have control over their gender, if someone’s gender changes or doesn’t match their sex it is not because of a decision they made, it is merely an emotion. So be nice to trans people, they’re just people trying to not be uncomfortable living in their own skin.

    beckerist,

    It’s nice to be nice

    • Mister Rogers

    words I’ve always lived by

    HopeOfTheGunblade,
    HopeOfTheGunblade avatar

    Mr Rogers is the truest Christian I've ever heard of, let alone met. A lot of people are failing to be the people Mr Rogers knew that they could be and that is sad.

    Nacktmull,
    @Nacktmull@lemmy.world avatar

    Gender can change (…), sex cannot.

    That statement got me a lifetime ban on reddit, justification: transphobia

    femboy_bird,

    That’s so dumb, that of gender being different from sex with the former being changeable and the latter unchanging is the entire premise the transgender philosophy is built on

    Nacktmull,
    @Nacktmull@lemmy.world avatar

    Thank you for backing me up, I appreciate it. I also thought how dumb that ban was, since their gender not matching their sex seems to be the main struggle of trans people, at least as far as I can understand it as a cis dude. I argued that trans women are women by gender and by identity but not physically/biologically. Obviously someone did not like that and reported me. Worst part is I contacted reddit dozens of times, asked to remove the ban, or at least tell my how my statement was wrong but they simply would not talk to me. Despite using a different account on a different computer with a different browser and also a VPN, they somehow detected me anyway and kept banning my new accounts too. Well … fuck reddit, lemmy is better anyway.

    FabledAepitaph,

    Yeah, that was a dumb ban. I love trans people, have trans friends, and have been “close” with trans people. They are all begrudgingly aware that their biological “sex” parts can’t be changed on a whim, and that even with a sex change surgery, it is still medically impossible to fulfill the opposite roll in reproduction.

    I have thought about this at length and it does get messy, though. If we define “male” as someone who can deliver sperm and impregnate a “female”, then what about people who can’t reproduce? Does someone who can no longer produce sperm cease being male? And if not, aside from our “preconceptions”, what then is the actual difference between a biological male that can’t reproduce and a transgender male that has had all of the operations and looks male? I don’t have the answers, hah

    DessertStorms,
    DessertStorms avatar

    Gender can change sex cannot

    I'm sorry, what do you think medical transitioning is? People literally changing their sex.

    if someone’s gender changes or doesn’t match their sex it is not because of a decision they made, it is merely an emotion.

    wut?

    be nice to trans people, they’re just people trying to not be uncomfortable living in their own skin.

    that's enough

    femboy_bird,

    Point one: that’s a fair point, but some may argue that due to genetics, current biological transition technology cannot truly change someone’s sex, I’m not smart enough to have an opinion on this

    Point 2: i guess what i was trying to say, is people don’t wake up and choose to be a different gender (though they may feel and therefore be one), this is kind of more based on my experience than anything else, so maybe some people do

    Point 3: yeah

    DessertStorms,
    DessertStorms avatar

    some may argue that due to genetics, current biological transition technology cannot truly change someone’s sex, I’m not smart enough to have an opinion on this

    those people will be transphobes. Maybe if you're not "smart enough" (in your words) to understand something, you shouldn't be giving your opinion on it, especially so authoritatively, and instead go educate yourself on it (you can start here)?

    is people don’t wake up and choose to be a different gender (though they may feel and therefore be one), this is kind of more based on my experience than anything else, so maybe some people do

    it's nothing to do with "waking up and choosing to be a different gender", just like transitioning isn't based on "merely emotions", both are extremely dismissive.



    It seems like you mean well, but I highly recommend listening to people actually living these experiences (in the numerous trans communities on the fediverese would be a good place to start), instead of getting your information from what sounds like terrible and biased sources..

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    Not that I have any problem referring to trans people as whatever sex or gender that they would like to be referred to, and others shouldn’t either, but I think the distinction between biological sex and gender identity is important at least when speaking from a medical and scientific standpoint.

    DessertStorms, (edited )
    DessertStorms avatar

    Oh, you think that, do you??

    Are you a medical professional or a scientist?

    Are you involved in the care of an individual trans person, or are they participating in your research?

    Since you've answered no to all of those, and even if you had answered yes, then still no, in almost all cases, the distinction isn't relevant, and more importantly, is none of your fucking business.

    And since I doubt you've had your own chromosomal make up tested, or even your hormone levels, you probably couldn't commit 100% to your own (or anyone else's) fucking "biological sex" so questioning that of others (or worse, demanding proof) only because they're trans isn't only intrusive, perverted, and outright transphobic, it's also entirely unscientific (the term as well as the concept/construct), and as mentioned above - none of your motherfucking business.

    So you can take your generic "I'm not a transphobe but...bIoLoGiCaL sEx" excuse and shove it, and if being called a transphobe bothers you more than being one, perhaps try educating yourself instead of continuing to regurgitate the most commonly used transphobic talking points in existence..

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    You seem like you want to be mad at something. I have no problem referring to you as whatever pronouns, names, sex, gender, etc. It’s just that we need words to describe chromosomal differences in biology and sex is what we chose to do that. Just in scientific fields. I am not saying that anyone’s personal sex identity is my business, but it is relevant in scientific and medical studies. Those are everybody’s business.

    AnarchistArtificer,

    Though I would say that sex is as much of a social construct as gender is.

    femboy_bird,

    How so? My understanding is sex is measured by if this individual is going to have a kid will they being the impregnator (male) or the impregnatee (female), though i suppose this offers a space for someone who can’t do either, and maybe a hypothetical someone who can do both

    AnarchistArtificer,

    This blog post outlines it better than I can - I like it because it includes links to a variety of primary sources.

    DessertStorms, (edited )
    DessertStorms avatar

    My understanding is sex is measured by if this individual is going to have a kid will they being the impregnator (male) or the impregnatee (female),

    Before we even go in to how this false dichotomy excludes trans people - you've completely erased intersex people.

    The bottom line is humans are assigned a sex and gender at birth based almost exclusively on the visible external genitalia, which simply isn't enough to indicate anything other than what external visible genitalia a person has. Beyond that, 95%+ of people are completely unaware of their chromosomes, hormones, or even internal organs, and whether those "match" the sex and gender they were assigned at birth (like cis men with extremely low testosterone, or cis women with XY chromosomes).
    When a trans person takes HRT, they are literally changing their biological chemistry, when they have surgery, they are literally changing their physical characteristics, and having XY or XX chromosomes doesn't definitively define anything. If a trans man still has a uterus they can and plenty have gotten pregnant, as men, because being pregnant doesn't invalidate their gender, nor any physical or hormonal changes they might have undergone. Just like not having a uterus doesn't suddenly revoke womanhood (see cis women having hysterectomies).

    Both sex and gender are spectrums, and neither are distributed as neatly and bimodally as cis-heteronormative society (and your fourth grade biology teacher) would have you believe.

    Trans people are whatever gender they tell you they are, and just like you wouldn't ask cis people for their chromosomal make up to confirm their gender, there is no rational reason to do so to trans people before you accept this (outside of transphobia).

    PlzGivHugs,

    Both sex and gender are spectrums, and neither are distributed as neatly and bimodally as cis-heteronormative society (and your fourth grade biology teacher) would have you believe.

    No one here is arguing this. The commenter you replied to even acknowledged that his definition wasn’t all-inclusive. The point people are making is that even just knowing whether you were born with a penis, a vagina, or somewhere in-between has its uses, esspecially in a medical context.

    Trans people are whatever gender they tell you they are, and just like you wouldn’t ask cis people for their chromosomal make up to confirm their gender, there is no rational reason to do so to trans people before you accept this (outside of transphobia).

    Again, you’re arguing against a strawman. Everyone here has agreed with this sentiment. The disagreement is in the specifics of defining, sex not that of gender, and esspecially not the validity of anyone’s gender.

    IndyRap,

    Nah

    RememberTheApollo_,

    When you get on an airplane, take Your backpack off and carry it by hand. You’ve got luggage on your back sticking out 12, 16 inches and you’re swinging it around like a brain dead fool.

    The number of people that cluelessly hit people in aisle seats, shove backpacks in the faces of aisle sitters as the wearer turns to to talk to friends or tries to remember their alphabet and how to count while looking for their seat is ridiculous.

    Take your backpack off! You’re hitting people.

    gregorum,

    this applies for boarding/riding on public transit (bus, subway).

    BigSadDad,

    Always anchor heavy, tall or easy to climb furniture to a wall. Use either a stud or a drywall anchor. Even if you rent.

    The holes are tiny and easy to spackle fill and could save your child, pet or elderly persons life.

    Don’t be fucking lazy, anchor that dresser.

    Nollij,

    Drywall isn’t load bearing, though. Heavy also implies that it’s stable, although that really depends on if it’s top-heavy or bottom-heavy.

    IOW, if my dresser is going to tip over, drywall anchors are not going to be doing much to stop it. Same for the couch, and the bed goes without saying.

    ilinamorato,

    It doesn’t need to be load-bearing because the actual forces aren’t that high. Fifty pound drywall anchors exist, after about fifty pounds the child will likely be old enough to not climb, and a fifty pound child’s angular force pulling out on the wall is going to be less than fifty pounds since most of the weight is going into the floor.

    Certainly anchoring to the stud would be better, but drywall anchors are better than nothing and should probably be sufficient in most cases.

    IndyRap,

    Never had a problem in my life and don’t plan on having kids so nah.

    CustodialTeapot,

    Gotta be the dumbest take I’ve read on Lemmy so far.

    scoobford,

    Why though? An ablebodied, childless adult without pets will very rarely ever have a random child or elderly people in their apartment.

    The odds that you’d have someone at risk in your apartment, that you’d leave them unattended, and that they’d knock over an item of furniture is very long odds.

    intensely_human,

    Unless that person is a little kid who loves to climb.

    But the sooner he learns that lesson the better. So as long as it’s not your bowling ball collection on the top shelf, he’ll probably be alright even if the bookcase falls on him.

    x4740N,

    Say that again to a kid that gets crushed under a heavy piece of furniture

    A child getting crushed is not a good way to teach them about the world

    I hope you are not a parent and if not I hope you don’t have plans of becoming one

    CustodialTeapot,

    Because accidents happen?

    Why do we need any form of safety precaution?

    I don’t intend to crash my car. I still wear a seat belt.

    I don’t intent to burn my house down. I still have a fire extinguisher.

    I don’t intent to chainsaw my leg off. I still wear safety trousers.

    I don’t intent my furniture to fall on me. I still secure it to the wall.

    IndyRap,

    Lol you got a poltergeist like why is your furniture attacking you.

    IndyRap,

    The dumbest on lemmy is not mounting every piece of furniture to the wall. Whew that’s wild.

    TIMMAY,

    What if im trying to murder someone via a rube goldberg style contraption and easy-to-tip-over furniture is my coup de grace? edit: golberg -> goldberg

    Timwi,
    Timwi avatar

    I kind of wish more people realized how much of everyday computer usage can be simplified with keyboard shortcuts. Take a look around your favorite apps/programs and/or Google for “keyboard shortcuts”, and try to build a habit of using shortcuts for some of the most frequently used commands. It's very liberating as it gives you a feeling of greater control.

    For example, in Windows, did you know that if you pin your most used apps on the taskbar, you can access them using Win+1, Win+2, etc.?

    In browsers, you can press Ctrl+L for the location bar (URL) and Ctrl+K for the search box. Ctrl+Shift+T will restore your last closed tab if you closed it accidentally.

    Menus can be accessed with Alt plus the underlined letter. The File menu is pretty much always Alt+F. Many dialogs have elements with underlined letters too. We should demand this on the Web as well, as it's kind of becoming a lost art with fewer and fewer people knowing about it. It only takes an accesskey attribute!

    nilclass,

    The cake is a lie

    Presi300,
    @Presi300@lemmy.world avatar

    The cucumber is a fruit, so a cucumber + tomato salad is a fruit salad.

    ohlaph,

    Well, to be honest, not that I can think of at the moment.

    Bigoldmustard,

    Life gets a lot easier if you make an effort to be kind and understanding. You have to deal with mean people either way. Sometimes the person you least expect is really cool and will open doors for you. Don’t bother yourself with the little things. Don’t feel like every situation requires action, especially if you’re feeling emotional.

    thorbot,

    If you think someone is a piece of shit just because you perceive their life to be better than yours, and they relate to your friends more than you do, you’re the actual piece of shit.

    SCOTT

    GilgameshCatBeard,

    Don’t ever, for any reason, do anything, to anyone, for any reason, ever, no matter what, no matter where, or who or who you are with, or where you are going, or, or where you’ve been. Ever. For any reason. Whatsoever.

    ohlaph,

    It seems like it.

    yozhfyfyfy,

    Wat

    lagomorphlecture,

    I lost my kitty a couple weeks ago and I’m really sad and miss him so much, but I got 2 new kitties from the shelter and I’m so happy to have them.

    macrocarpa,

    Always remember that this, too, shall pass.

    GrundlButter,
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