What gets you downvoted?

What sort of post or comment gets you downvoted the most? Especially if you don’t think it’s bad behavior in the first place, or don’t care. Does not have to be on Lemmy, but we are here… One of the good things about Lemmy IMO is that it’s small enough to see the posts that are unpopular. If you do “Top Day” on most channels, you cash reach the bottom, see what people here don’t like.
As far as comments, attempting to rebut the person who is telling me my post sucks, is what gets me into negative numbers most often. The OP is going to voite it down, of course, and nobody else cares, usually.

snooggums,
@snooggums@midwest.social avatar

Either nuance in a topic people are very black and white about or not being able to figure out how people can read things as the opposite of what I wrote.

Only happened a couple of times, no regrets.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Asking people to see nuance here and the rest of the web is the worst. You’re either left or right. Urban or not. Up or down. There is no in between, partial solutions are useless. Drives me bonkers

Sabata11792,
Sabata11792 avatar

If you call both sides right/wrong when both sides are right/wrong, both sides downvote you.

Mention a third option, middle ground, or reasonable compromise is a downvoting.

Tell them to chill, you might have well stuck a hornets nest up you ass. There's a reason you occasionally see people just admitting they were wrong or changing their mind get sent to the front page, its just rare.

wesker, (edited )
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

What a constrictive outlook on human dynamic and expression.

Lath, (edited )

What's interesting is that the language allows multiple meanings. The commenter above can either be driven bonkers by presence of nuance or the lack of it and both interpretations are correct.

The first sentence can be seen as being against nuance or it can be seen as being against the online experience of asking for nuance.
The next sentences can be seen as arguments against nuance or examples of behaviour encountered when asking for it.
And the final bonkers can either be against the use of nuance or the repeated responses to it use.

So without further clarification, we can't really be sure which stance the commenter implies.
With only these two situations presented, it's a 50/50, left or right choice, so I'll go ahead and presume it's the latter, since that seems to be more likely encountered in online chats.

wesker, (edited )
@wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If the commenter meant that a black/white mindset drives them nuts, then I redirect my comment, in the sense that:

  1. I agree, it’s nuts.
  2. My comment applies to people with that mindset.
PatMustard,

I reckon it’s the issue of pseudo-anonymity combined with the lack of tone in a text post. If you’re talking IRL it’s much clearer that you’re making a joke or whatever, but all that gets lost in text. Also you generally know who you’re talking to IRL, whereas online you don’t know if that comment was written by a professor of ethics or a teenager who watched a single video on the topic and is parroting opinions they are now convinced are correct.

SgtAStrawberry,

That’s why I really like the /s marker, unfortunately it gets a lot of hate.

agent_flounder,
@agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

That first one is where I feel I’ve seen myself and others get downvoted more than anything else listed here. Maybe it is recency bias from that one thread the other day lol.

saltesc, (edited )

Heh, I get down votes from both sides a fair bit. In one part I am supportive of views, but raise obvious issues in other areas. This makes the For team upset. The Against team hates me too because my stance is on the For team’s side. The result is an inbox full of fine examples of how in-fighting destroys the grass while the other side of the fence has no idea they’re apathetically winning.

Almost all of this comes down to people attempting to express their self-assessed virtuosity as superior to others, or they are driven by a manipulative fallacy—argumentun ad populum is a big one in echo chambers—causing them to easily sway closer to extremes with little critical thought first.

This is why we are supposed to discuss and not argue, remaining constantly open to exploring and contemplating new information. It is not about who is right or wrong, rather the discourse and learning from it. But that’s not the default setting in many Lemmy communities.

metaStatic,

The older I get the less patience I have for actual morons. if someone wants to put words in my mouth I don't have to be there for it. I just block and move on.

NJSpradlin, (edited )

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    Feathercrown,

    I agree, but it’s also very easy for this mindset to lead people to equate two very different-in-magnitude evils as “the same”.

    LainTrain,

    Honestly though in all actuality there are very few topics where nuance does exist like with guns for example: it’s a very nuanced issue and calls for bans without acknowledging the reality that for many in America relying on the justice and police systems is not always a good or even safe option when it comes to personal safety, but at the end of the day you either ban them or you don’t and any extra asterisks are minutiae, so people don’t really care about your personal reasons they just want to know what side you fall on in the conflict.

    So often nuance-enjoyers come off as effectively saying “what if we rape but only sometimes?” on the topic of whether rape should be a crime in society.

    snooggums,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    Every topic has nuance.

    Every. Single. Topic.

    There is even nuance when talking about nazis. Like the fact that they rose to power by giving people economic solutions prior to speed running pure evil. That doesn’t anything that they did was good, because the nuance is in how they implemented those economic actions. The small details that made it work so they could rise to power at that point point time in that location.

    Nuance doesn’t mean good or evil, just complexity and more details than most people think about. Sometimes it isn’t super relevant, and can be used to distract from the high level details, but it is still there. Nuance with racial disparity is keeping in mind that a lot of racism is implemented in different ways regionally, while still being racism.

    So often nuance-enjoyers come off as effectively saying “what if we rape but only sometimes?” on the topic of whether rape should be a crime in society.

    That isn’t nuance. That is weaponized compromise.

    The fiddly details about consent and coercion in relation to rape would be about nuance.

    stoy,

    Yep, I still make the misstake from time to yime and try and give a resonable take on a rant post when I feel like they are too unfair.

    Latst time was a few days ago when I responed to a person in a Linux community ranting about how Windows 11 sucks because he didn’t know how to use it properly and that it had the audacity to not include drivers for 20 year old equipment.

    I got massively downvoted and after I explained that I was an IT tech that didn’t run Linux on my main machine, I was weirdly called out and some idiot claimed that you can’t be an IT tech if you are not running Linux as your main computer OS.

    It was kinda funny, I was bashed contiously by the open community for a minor disagreement, while I believe that I stayed polite throughout the conversation

    Feathercrown, (edited )

    Linux users drive me crazy. They clearly see that Windows users try to use Linux like it’s Windows and encounter problems. Why can’t they see that trying to use Windows like it’s Linux will have the same issues?

    JackGreenEarth,

    You can be an IT technician with Windows on your main machine. Whether you should be is a different question.

    stoy,

    If my needs were better served by Linux on my main machine, then yeah, I’d go Linux, but since Windows better suit my needs at the moment I don’t.

    I did run Linux as my main OS for about two years, but then my needs changed and I went back to Windows.

    wesker, (edited )
    @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Wrong politics. Too dry of satire. Too absurd of memes. Pictures of Charles III.

    EDIT: Oh, and cigar posts. Some small handful of shit pieces downvote me everytime I post in the Cigar/Tobacco community.

    stinerman,
    @stinerman@midwest.social avatar

    I can’t imagine going out of your way to downvote people like that. I don’t have an interest in cigars so I just ignore those communities. If I went around downvoting post in communities I have a problem with, I’d be doing that all day.

    wesker,
    @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Right? If you don’t like the subject matter, just block the community. No point in pissing on every post in a very small, niche, mostly harmless community.

    saltesc,

    Should see my blocked communities list. Granted 80% is extremely niche porn or non-English speaking, it’s still very easy to not care and tap three dots, tap Block Community. A really big part of Reddit actually being good was curating the feed and Lemmy is no different. Why wouldn’t someone want to see only stuff they care about when going on Lemmy? Way more effort to downvote lol

    Feathercrown,

    I wish Lemmy had a “reduce posts from this community” option. We have scaled sort at least.

    anarchost,

    Mentioning downvotes. Or upvotes. The first rule of vote club is…

    sanguinepar,
    @sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

    No smoking?

    ilmagico,

    downvote liberally?

    stackPeek,
    @stackPeek@lemmy.world avatar

    Have fun and be yourself :)

    Feathercrown,

    No cuts no buts no coconuts

    Splatterphace,

    Being right 😂

    anarchost,

    I too suffer from always being the most correct person in every thread I visit 😮‍💨

    Feathercrown,

    Funny how that works

    bjoern_tantau,
    @bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de avatar

    Asking why you’re getting downvoted is usually the easiest way to get downvotes.

    But I often wish I would get a comment about downvotes. It’s easy enough to see why I’m getting downvoted when I post stupid shit, but sometimes I feel like even the most uncontroversial post or comment will get at least one downvote. I want to know when I’m wrong, so I can learn!

    Like, the other day there was a post getting downvoted to oblivion and nobody told OP anything. I commented my reason and OP actually seemed to be learning from that, edited the post and the downvotes stopped accumulating.

    snooggums,
    @snooggums@midwest.social avatar

    I had a conversation with someone about one of my downvotes posts, which helped to understand yet another stupid derailing tactic that terrible people use to stifle conversation. I really appreciated their feedback, even if I didn’t see any way to avoid the misunderstanding.

    Anticorp,

    I’ve seen completely normal and innocuous statements heavily downvoted here. Some people seem to just downvote everything and other people seem to downvote anything that already has downvotes. But one thing is for certain, it’s treated as a like/dislike button, not as a meter for content that does or doesn’t contribute to the subject.

    Feathercrown, (edited )

    I don’t think either of the popular behavior descriptions of “upvote if it contributes” or “upvote if you like it” really describe why most people upvote/downvote. My personal downvote criteria is more of a checklist:

    • Is it unnecessarily cruel?
    • Is it misinformation, or significantly misleading?
    • Is it something so tired and overused that I don’t think it should be posted?
    • Is it completely nonsensical?
    • Etc.

    If any of those are true, depending on the severity I’ll leave it be or downvote. I’d imagine most people are similar.

    Anticorp,

    Those are all reasons I downvote too, but I’d lump them all into the “doesn’t contribute to the conversation/community” category. I’ll also report something if it’s dangerous misinformation, or very hostile towards an individual.

    ValiantDust,

    Anything slightly “feminist”. You know, like pointing out that women do the majority of unpaid care work. Or saying it’s not nice to objectify women. Or sometimes mentioning the word women will do it.

    phoneymouse,

    I pointed out that it was silly how Barbie made Ryan Gosling more of a star at the Oscars than any woman and got downvoted for it.

    GeneralEmergency,

    You’d think a niche social media network populated by tech obsessed weirdos would be a bit more inclusive.

    alilbee,

    Lemmy has a much, much, much better crowd than reddit, but it definitely still got the “not all men”, “I only ever comment on stories about extremely rare false rape accusations” crowd.

    ValiantDust, (edited )

    It’s better, but very far away from good. My comment and the other one mentioning the same thing are already the ones with the most downvotes in this thread. So thanks to the downvoters for proving my point, I guess.

    garbagebagel,

    I remember on Reddit once I commented a very vague description of a very personal experience I had with SA. Not fucking joking, people were defending this person they knew literally nothing about, except for the fact that I had said “oh yeah, I’ve experienced SA”.

    I haven’t seen anything that bad on Lemmy yet so hopefully it stays chill.

    alilbee,

    I’m so sorry to hear that. Anyone with a shred of integrity approaching the issue will see that the statistics do not point to some pervasive false accusation culture, but rather a systemic issue of SA perpetuated primarily toward women for almost all of human history. It doesn’t mean that any other types of issues should be discarded, but reddit would have you think that every other rape accusation is false, and that all the true ones are against men.

    It’s just an obvious bias on their part that is continually perpetuated by men dominating the platform on the mainstream subs. Lemmy has been better in that regard, because I think folks here are a little better about checking their biases for better discussion.

    Feathercrown, (edited )

    The problem is that this topic is very complex and very opinionated, and any opinion has very dangerous logical consequences if it’s even slightly wrong. So you get people arguing tiny semantics against people with traumatic personal experiences, which is not a good recipe.

    TheGalacticVoid,

    I’m guilty of this because I genuinely don’t see why “not all men” is bad. As an example, I see a concerning amount of women who emotionally abuse their husbands or boyfriends publicly in subtle ways, but there isn’t a huge culture around avoiding all women. As a dude, saying that “not all men” is negative doesn’t seem that different from saying “I’m not racist, but…” or “I’m not sexist, but…” because the conversation never seems to be about men with red flags or the people in power who don’t do anything when SA is reported.

    What am I missing or not getting?

    daltotron,

    to kind of sum it up, I think “not all men” tends to be kind of a red flag in the same vein as “all lives matter”. Not quite as bad, and obviously it’s contextually different as “not all men” refers to feminism rather than race relations, but I think it kind of makes the point as a metaphor.

    Feathercrown,

    I’m with you. I spent a LOT of time in r/TwoXChromosomes before moving to lemmy to try and understand that commmunity, and their arguments for why “not all men” is bad basically boiled down to “we’re tired of having to include that at the bottom of every post, just let us rant.” Which like, okay… but you’re spreading information and culture by making a public rant post. If you refer to “men”, that by default means “men in general”, not “some men”. So yes, you really should specify which ones you’re talking about every time. The exception is if you do specify a subset of men or even singular man, in which case, yes, “not all men” comments are unnecessary at worst.

    alilbee,

    Let’s leave aside the labels (sexist, racist, etc) for a moment, because these conversations tend toward applying/avoiding those and it just loses a lot of nuance.

    Let’s metaphor this, because I think that helps. Is it possible for someone with millions of dollars to have a truly bad day? Of course it is. Is it possible for them to be hurt by someone with way less money than them? Obviously, yes. Positions of privilege never fully insulate anyone from hurt or harm, and those in worse positions can perpetuate harm. That’s fully understood and accepted.

    I don’t think anyone with integrity would say that women are in a position of power relative to men. Women have been systemically and systematically oppressed for virtually all of human history. A woman even being able to talk back to a man without severe physical consequences is an insanely recent development at scale in our world. There are still dozens of countries that are not letting women wear what they choose, marry who they choose, go to school. Men (as a group) have never been subjected to anything remotely close to anything like this, and in fact have perpetuated it for all time.

    Now, there are some whackos out there who hate all men because of that. They’re super, super rare, and they’re wrong. Most women are indeed wary about random men, especially if they have experienced assault or harassment, but that is a far cry from hating all men.

    To boil it down, there’s a huge historical and modern difference in the way the genders/sexes are treated, and that cannot be ignored just so we can try to achieve the utopian world of no distinction. We have work to do as a society, as genders, and as individuals to repair this gap together. Good men belong right next to us, doing that work. And every good man I’ve ever met has willingly done so. Instead of asking “why are you avoiding me?”, they give us space and support. Instead of asking “why not men?”, they do the work to support fellow men instead of asking women to do it for them. Instead of saying “not all men”, they actively engage in not being those men and are content in that.

    TheGalacticVoid,

    While I don’t think what you said is wrong (though I have some semantic disagreements; I don’t think men are privileged but do think that women are disprivileged), I don’t think it’s that relevant. Power dynamics are far more complex than what you’re describing. While you can conclude that women on average have less power than men on average, that doesn’t mean there aren’t a huge amount of men subordinate to other men, women subordinate to other women, or men subordinate to women. In all of those cases, some higher figure is abusing their power, whether it’s by SA, violence, manipulation, or especially not holding someone else accountable.

    The way I see it is that by making blanket statements implying that men are the problem, you’re distracting yourself from the root problem while alienating a good chunk of people who would support your cause, including male SA victims. It (anecdotally) seems like the pool of vocal SA victims is in actuality limited to just women who have been assaulted by a man. That division seems unnecessary. It’s the same way of thinking that alienates women who have Autism or adults who have ADHD; people only talk about the biggest or most substantial sub-group rather than the group as a whole.

    BallShapedMan,
    @BallShapedMan@lemmy.world avatar

    When I reply to a comment with a laugh or what have you. I like them too know I laughed but since I’m not adding to the conversation I guess I’m getting voted down. I do it anyway.

    wesker, (edited )
    @wesker@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    I wish either in addition to or in place of votes, we could tag a post or comment with a small fixed selection of emojis. To signify it was funny, cool, thoughtful, etc.

    And then maybe even filter or sort posts based upon the metrics that arise from the above.

    BallShapedMan,
    @BallShapedMan@lemmy.world avatar

    I’d be down with that for sure!

    NoIWontPickAName,

    You go back to Facebook damn you. ;)

    stackPeek, (edited )
    @stackPeek@lemmy.world avatar

    Can I be honest? Religion. Anything related to it, somehow will get someone downvote me. Even if I just mention “God” or something. I get that I should “separate the church from the state” or I should be secular here or whatevs, and I respect that. It’s not like every time I mention I force it down to everyone’s throat!

    Tbh I wanted to make a post that greet everyone on Lemmy that are doing Ramadhan fasting at first, but now I don’t even feel like doing that. There’s no point of posting it, I guess, if it got downvoted and no one wants to see it.

    I guess this means that Lemmy isn’t much different from Reddit…

    Aviandelight,
    @Aviandelight@mander.xyz avatar

    Well I would like to wish you and anyone else who’s celebrating a Happy Ramadan.

    stackPeek,
    @stackPeek@lemmy.world avatar

    Thank you, sorry for being negative.

    Happy Ramadhan for those who celebrate it!!

    JackGreenEarth,

    I don’t hate you for being a Muslim, I feel sorry for you. You can’t choose what you believe, and your natural personality combined with your experiences and upbringing made you a Muslim. You are negatively impacted by Islam’s restrictions - such as Ramadan, for example.

    But I also feel sorry for all the non religious people religion harms, and more so.

    nondescripthandle,

    Lemmy really isn’t that different from reddit at all, its just got more Linux memes. All the problems that exist on reddit outside of the IPO exist on lemmy in a smaller fashion, and sometimes not so smaller.

    thantik, (edited )

    Lemmy is Reddit Extreme. Only the people who reacted the strongest to Reddit’s policies move(d) over.

    tyo_ukko,

    This is very true. You even got a down vote for saying it.

    Feathercrown,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/479bb71e-37be-4ca3-9d8d-8d74caba7781.jpeg

    fastandcurious, (edited )

    Tbh its such a complex topic that unless someone has studied it extensively/experienced it, they can’t really understand the extreme nuance behind it, and also the fact is true that people who claim themselves as ‘religious’ are mostly pieces of shit

    I see myself as a practicing person but frankly the people who drive me nuts are always the people who follow the same faith, and tbh I think this might have to do with conservatism and the refusal to listen to others/accept you were wrong rather than religion itself, people somehow refuse to believe they are wrong even if you show it from their own scripture

    Some blame is still on lemmy though, people somehow don’t seem to have any knowledge on this subject and make the most absurd claims and also somehow get upvoted to heaven, and I don’t bother correcting because its no good, ig this is just conservatism as well but of a different sort, unless u are an atheist, you are stupid/dumb

    Ramadan Mubarak if you are involved though! I have always found it very fun!

    Aermis,

    Yeah, mentioning anything Christian, or saying something was taken out of context when someone quotes the Bible, instantly turns into a debate and how I’m pro slavery. It just goes off the rails.

    De_Narm,

    My most downvoted one should be about Nintendo and Yuzu, I think. I don’t agree with some of their overly aggressive methods, but I argueed against emulation of the current gen and don’t think it is wrong for them to try and stop it (which of course didn’t work, that’s a different topic). Sucks for Citra and Pizza though.

    TGhost, (edited )
    @TGhost@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Feminists’s subjects,
    Transgender’s subjects,
    Minority’s subjects,
    Leftists’s subjects,

    Yep, world is fucked.

    thantik, (edited )

    You’ll get downvoted for Right-leaning subjects farrrrr more quickly and harshly than ever espousing any kind of Left-leaning viewpoint.

    Anticorp, (edited )

    What? Are you even on the same platform as us? Those are all popular, heavily upvoted subjects on Lemmy.

    TGhost, (edited )
    @TGhost@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    French and France as a nation, will always be untolerant ah ah.

    themeatbridge,

    Defending Imperial units to people who prefer metric.

    SpaceNoodle,

    Calling US customary units “Imperial”

    PatMustard,

    They’re Imperial units in Britain, though most of us know that they’re a bit silly

    SpaceNoodle,

    They’re different quantities there, too.

    themeatbridge,

    You’re right, my bad. Freedom Units, or Irony Units, if you’re feeling saucy.

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