because imperial is NOT american just mostly the same because AMERICAN TRADITIONAL is still on the fucking QUEEN ANNE BARREL and not the later larger barrel adapted by the British Empire after the American colonies won independence and from which all other volume units are derived
mind you ours aren't really the american traditional anymore either because that quietly got changed out TO METRIC BASIS I MIGHT ADD so we're already kinda metric it's just REAL HIDDEN
Um... those are the metric ones?
Spice measurement: 1 ml
Teaspoon: 5 ml
Table spoon: 15 ml
Half dl: 50 ml
dl: 100 ml
Be the ones in all the sets up over here. And we've got a small decorative poster in the kitchen that converts from US units. Comes in handy for using recepies found online sometimes.
@Gurre I literally said - I mean, you replied to this:
"mind you ours aren't really the american traditional anymore either because that quietly got changed out TO METRIC BASIS I MIGHT ADD so we're already kinda metric it's just REAL HIDDEN"
that means that they are now secretly metric (and therefore different to actual American Traditional which are close but not quite the same) BUT we're still pretending they're not and apparently using stupid names all the way down
@moira
I thought uou ment the way all US/Imperial units are now defined using metric conversions. E.g. the definition of an inch is 25.4 mm. Not that the measurement itself is now the same as the non-US one (tablespoon being 15 ml in US and Sweden both).
My bad.
We don't actually call them tablespoons come to think of it. They're foodspoons here.
@Gurre A modern US Tablespoon (this is what you get in a store now) vs. an old, actual US Traditional Tablespoon. The sugar in the spoon on the left filled the spoon on the right to level.
eta: that photo exaggerates it a little because i can't level the sugar on the left, because it's all below the lip. but it's still mounded some so if it were perfectly flat the difference would appear smaller.
@moira@Gurre it's US. my ex had those that his mom gave him like 30-40 years ago. i bought the "new" ones at the end of the 90s. the old ones are even made of a different material, like a tin?
@Gurre@moira my mind boggles when youtube recipes from Europe say "1 glass of (some liquid)" and it appears to be a small drinking glass with no markings and not particularly full ... what?! 😭
@deborahh@moira
Apparently there's a "glass" measurement in the Swedish set of kitchen measurements, at 2 dl. Never seen it used in recepies though.
And no, our glasses aren't all 2 dl.
Sounds very strange to use a regular glass as a measureme, the size sure ain't standardised.
According to GNU units, 1 "usteaspoon" is 4.9289216 ml and they're pretty exacting about getting this stuff right. So... I wonder what is going on here.
@dlakelan BUT also if you buy a tablespoon in the US now and for the last 20-odd years it will be 5ml, not 4.92etc and tablespoon will be 15ml not 14.9sadkf;jawoiefja;w and that happened with the big shift in to manufacturing in china starting about 25 years ago.
@moira I used to love reading all of the wacky conversion charts in the back of composition books. I mentioned it to my mom once when I was a kid and she went "that's not weird, we used to use some of those measurements at work".
@moira My kitchen scale has both as unit options and while I understand the need/use for a the mass option, the "fluid ounces" measured on a balance is just a head scratcher. Does it assume everything has the density of water? I'm so confused...
@SRLevine@moira Oh my dog I just bought a scale that has liquid ounces (water) AND liquid ounces (milk). So…not oil or molasses or hot wax or lava or mercury or…
@Sharonybaloney@SRLevine ... okay if... okay if we know it's US (or UK, don't care which, just as long as we know), then I'll... consider it. And if it has a temperature sensor I'd actually say that's... acceptable.
@superball@SRLevine Avoirdupois ounces - US weight (and Imperial I think)
Troy ounces - fuck you ounces used by gold traders for fancy gold reasons
Metric ounce - STOP IT NO WHY (varied by country usually around 30g, see also the "metric inch")
Water ounces or Fluid ounces, US - measure of VOLUME, and smaller than:
Water ounces or Fluid ounces, UK - measure of VOLUME, also
and that list is NOT complete. those are just ones still in use in the last century.
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