Petition - Stop Daylight Saving Time in Canada - Change.org

Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Standard Time all year round.

“Changing clocks twice a year is hazardous to your health. There are many studies showing that changing the clock and staying on Daylight Saving Time negatively impacts our circadian rhythm, causes increases in strokes and heart attacks, impacts people with depression and seasonal affective disorder and causes more car accidents.

I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time. Even if one person is saved from having a stroke or heart attack or is saved from a car accident, it’s worth it. Support the health and safety of Canadians and set an example for the rest of the world.

Follow the scientific research. Do the right thing and not just the easy and uninformed thing. Don’t change the clocks. Leave them on Standard Time year round. Do not spring forward.”

Omega_Jimes,

Ah yes, few things are as reliable as the post DST petition.

If people started doing this BEFORE the switch I might actually remember to change all my (dumb)clocks.

brax,

Can we do it after they give me my hour of sleep back though? I suspect they’d just do it after the stupid “spring forward” and rob us of that precious hour

fidodo,

I’d rather be on permanent daylight saving time since I hate it when it gets dark so early.

systemglitch,

Don’t be picky.

brax,

Nah, I’ll be picky because this shit fucks me up for months. Going back the other way messes me up for a much shorter time.

Fucking normies and their daytime schedules lol. Us night walkers get no respect 😂

systemglitch,

I can’t relate, since we don’t change the clocks ever in Saskatchewan. I always considered it rather dumb that most of NA does.

It used to mess up my tv shows as a kid, now that was annoying.

Regardless, it would be a once time thing and over with, so really a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

brax,

Yeah, I’ve never understood it either. I think right now those of us stuck messing with clocks are in the “fake” time though, aren’t we?

systemglitch,

Can’t help you there without looking it up myself.

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Do Feb 29th next

nsfw936421,

That’s not the same thing and would lead to calendar drift pretty quickly.

Spacehooks,

Just take a day from another 31 day month.

ikidd,

Jeebus, the things people get worked up about.

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Found the person who isn’t a programmer

ikidd,

Yah, every programmer gives a shit about DST. Literally all of them.

CeeBee,

Lol, you have no freaking clue how many trivial seeming issues stem from DST. Summed up throughout my career I think I’ve spent several months of solid work time hunting down and fixing DST related issues.

And ya, every programmer shudders at DST

cyborganism,

No. I want daylight savings time all year round. Standard time is balls.

Phil_in_here,

I couldn’t care less about which mode we’re on. It’s like debating if we should remain sitting down or standing up to avoid getting punched in the face or the dick. Just stop fucking hitting us!

cyborganism,

I want more sunlight in the evening for my activities after my 9-5 job!

What’s the fucking point of having sunlight at 5am if I’m fucking sleeping?

Basilisk,

Maybe we also should talk about not needing to work so many hours that it’s necessary to ration the sun then, too.

LeFantome,

9-5 is not too many hours. It having to be 9-5 is a bigger problem.

If this guy could work 8-4 instead, the clock choice would not matter.

Bob_Robertson_IX,

ooh, maybe that’s what we should do… during the winter months when there’s less daylight we can shift our working hours, then in the summer months we can shift our working hours back. Then there’s no need to change the time!

anguo,

That’s what they do in (at least part of) China.

Boy_of_Soy,

9-5 is not too many hours.

Yes, it is.

Someone,

It still kinda does though, wouldn’t you rather have an extra hour of light after you get home than have it get light after you’re at work regardless?

fleet,

I think the whole world just adopt a single time. We’d just get used to midday being 9pm and eating dinner at 2am. No more time zones to worry about.

Crack0n7uesday,

China only has has one time zone for the whole country. Daylight savings can go, but I can understand that because of the earths orbit around the sun there is a need for time zones, I think most people agree that wherever you are, 6am should be morning time, unless everyone wants to move over to military time, and just have a 24 hour clock. It would take some getting used to, but that would be the only way to truly get rid of time zones.

capital,

Much of Europe is already using 24hr time.

Crack0n7uesday,

I can see why, but you also have to consider before the invention of the clock we used sun dials to tell time, so that would effect how to tell what time it is in your particular time zone. I understand that is archaic technology in the modern world, but that is why time zones were invented and still relevant. Ask anyone that works in technology, old habits die hard, and by die hard, they go out kicking and screaming. Some SQL databases I’ve seen still run Solaris which has been a dead product for like ten years, navy boats that don’t connect to the Internet still run windows 95 (believe it or not, I don’t care, but I have seen them recently).

LeFantome,

Solaris and Windows 95 are not as old as it gets.

There is still plenty of OS/2. In fact, you can still buy it! www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/

And of course, there is lots of DOS left in the wild as well.

I am sure there are some Vaxen still kicking around, especially in the military. I worked for a company that used a lot of DEC Alpha stuff when it was bleeding edge. To my knowledge, their customers are still using it.

Crack0n7uesday,

I’m not unfamiliar with running DOSBOX just to talk to some old machines that by all logic should have seen EOL 20 years ago…

baconisaveg,

I’ve said that for years now, bring back Swatch .beats!

It’s a shame it never caught on, especially in the internet age.

capital,

Worldwide UTC now!

Maalus,

And then you go to a different country and suddenly you don’t know when you eat dinner.

baconisaveg,

I don’t know about you, but I eat when I’m hungry.

Wahots,
@Wahots@pawb.social avatar

UTC is a thing and used by many industries!

fidodo,

It would make it so much harder to schedule meetings if I didn’t have a handy internationally standardized conversation table that was incorporated into all software to help me know when someone’s working hours are.

nsfw936421,

Not as simple as that because first: Timezones make it pretty obvious that you have to think or even calculate if it’s currently the day or middle of the night. If you want to call someone in another country it’s obvious that you’d first have to figure out their local time. If everyone used the same time than this would be easy, but you would’ve still have to figure out which time range is day time and night time so no benefit there.

For a lot of countries that would also mean that every “solar day” will be two calender days. You wake up at 19:00 March 1st. and just before lunch the date switches to March 2nd. It would be a mess.

fidodo,

It would make it so much harder. With time zones I have additional information beyond UTC.

BCsven,

No thanks. BC has super early sunrise in summer with Daylight savings, going back to standard time for summer would put the daylight starting about 3:30-4am

Each province should work out what suits their average day. BC we get 45 minutes more early morning sun, Ontario and East gets about 45 mins later sun.

ValueSubtracted,
@ValueSubtracted@startrek.website avatar

BC’s plan is to stay on daylight time.

BCsven,

Yay!!!

villasv,

Premier David Eby has said change will be enacted once Washington state, Oregon, California also make the move

How likely is this to happen in the next few years, though? Seems hopeless to me.

LemmyKnowsBest,

So their plan is 3:30am sunrise?

fleet,

Summer would be the same as it now. It’s only winter where we’d have daylight starting later and ending later.

LemmyKnowsBest, (edited )

Winter is the astrolog astronomically correct accurate time. When we change our clocks in March, that’s an hour away from accurate.

UmeU,

Astrologically correct accurate time? What does that mean?

LemmyKnowsBest, (edited )

The sun is Earth’s nearest astrolog astronomical glowing ball of gas from which we get light and base our measurement of time, also taking into calculation the Earth’s rotation on its axis.

UmeU,

I have heard of the sun.

What makes 7am a correct sunrise, or 6am, or any other time?

A 6am sunrise in New York is not going to be a 6am sunrise in Iceland, even with time zones in place.

A 6am sunrise in December is not going to be a 6am sunrise in may… so how would you determine what is ‘astrologically correct’

Also… I am going to just assume you mean astronomical and not astrological, because astrology is bullshit.

LemmyKnowsBest,

Oh you’re right, sorry, I meant astronomical. I will go fix that.

Anyway I’m not the one who made the decision that the winter clock time is the astronomically correct time. Someone else hundreds/thousands of years ago made that decision and the knowledge has been passed down and it’s in my head.

SparrowRanjitScaur,

What’s so crazy about that? It’s pretty far north, it’s pretty normal to have long sunlight hours in the summer up north. Northern BC doesn’t get any night time in the summer anyways. The darkest they get is nautical twilight. And they get almost 19 hours of sun.

Cagi, (edited )

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    Kecessa,

    How come Saskatchewan is able to do it then?

    Grimpen,

    In BC’s case, we have passed legislation to move to permanent Daylight Saving Time… when Washington State, Oregon, and California do. The hold up is that US Federal law allows the states to stay on Standard time, and stop switching to Daylight Saving Time, but not the other way around. It has been before Congress a few years now, but the US isn’t really good at getting things done, and this is low priority.

    Technically we (BC) could just go ahead and do it. Or Washington, Oregon, and California could all just stick with Standard Time instead of Daylight Saving Time^1.

    ^1 I really don’t care, PDT or PST. All arguments about “I like an extra hour of sun in the morning/evening” are pointless. The numbers are made up, and we can change start and end times. Do the kids need an extra hour in the morning for sleep according to the latest study? Set the school start times an hour later. Changing the clock against which all these times are measured is like changing rulers instead of using different measurements.

    Ever notice how touristy places have seasonal hours? It’s possible. Just stop changing the clocks instead of setting different times.

    I have profound technical reasons to hate the time change. You know how you cell phone automagically changes the time? It’s not magic, and it comes with technical consequences in Industrial Automation.

    Also, large organizations. North America and Europe start and stop DST on different dates (thanks Bush). The northern and southern hemisphere start and stop DST in different directions. On top of that, most countries don’t change the clocks. There’s a reason you’ll see references to UTC on the Internet.

    ILikeBoobies,

    I just hate how in Toronto the sun comes up/goes down an hour too early year round

    This won’t change that though, I need to live at the western edge of a timezone

    Showroom7561,

    I’ll respectfully say, “NO”.

    It would hurt my physical and mental health more to see the sun set at 7:30-8pm during the summer, and would benefit no one for the sun to come up at 4:30am in Toronto.

    But from a population perspective, the idea for permanent standard time Canada-widel is flawed.

    Sleep is more negatively impacted by people’s phone use and caffeine consumption, not the time.

    Car accidents are impacted more by phone use and distractions inside of cars; and the fact that large SUVs basically kill everyone. It’s interesting to note that traffic fatalities in Saskatchewan (permanent standard time) is considerably higher than other provinces.

    Heart attacks and strokes are 99% lifestyle-related: with diet and exercise being the most important factors. You might be surprised to hear that watching a live sporting event also contributes to heart attacks, but I’m sure nobody wants to ban hockey.

    Also as an FYI, heart failure is higher in Saskatchewan (permanent standard time) vs Ontario, Quebec, Manitoba, etc. (all have DTS half the year).

    I appreciate the desire to reduce deaths and car accidents, but there are significantly better ways to do it.

    avidamoeba,
    @avidamoeba@lemmy.ca avatar

    We could keep the summer time. 😁

    Showroom7561,

    A.K.A. keeping things as they are. 🤗

    Jokes aside, it looks like the petition is for permanent Standard Time and not DST.

    If it were for the latter, it would be problematic as the sun would rise past 9 am in some places for many months out of the year, putting kids and commuters at greater risk.

    Really, keeping the thing as it is sounds like the lesser of the three evils.

    UmeU,

    Areas with a 9am sunrise could start school at 10am

    Showroom7561,

    That would force parents to either start work late (good luck with that) or paying more for daycare. Not to mention that kids would be coming home closer to evening rush hour, which would be more dangerous for them.

    BCsven,

    We have dark winter months in BC either way. But sticking to Standard time all year would put summer month sunrise near 3:30- 4am out here, as we already have bright daylifht at 4:30-5 am in the summer. It would suck to have super early morning and then lose an hour at end of day

    whoisearth,
    @whoisearth@lemmy.ca avatar

    Honest question. Can someone tell me of any time an online petition actually amounted to change in the real world?

    Octospider,
    Octospider avatar

    I'm not sure about these "change" petitions which always seemed to me as just a way to gather user data. But, go to the House of Commons website where you will be able to view actual petitions to the government of Canada. There, you can sign them and/or create your own. If you're lucky, the government may even respond with some thoughts/excuses. 🙂

    AlexisFR,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    Good initial, but why not do a proper Citizen Petition in your state instead of a scam for profit website?

    CanadaPlus,

    I think that would have to go by province, in Canada.

    ILikeBoobies,

    State and country can be used interchangeably

    CanadaPlus,

    Yeah, that’s not the issue, OP doesn’t even seem American. I mean it’s not federal jurisdiction. Or at least hasn’t been.

    corsicanguppy,

    Okay, you got me hooked. Give us the details so we can see what you see. We promise to keep an open mind.

    Murdoc,

    Get rid of dst yes, not make it permanent.

    Grimpen,

    Doesn’t matter. We can change the schedule instead of changing the clocks.

    can, (edited )

    Join the petition to ask the Canadian government to adopt Daylight Time all year round.

    I ask the Canadian Government to finally stop Daylight Saving Time and enact Permanent Standard Time.

    So uhh… which is it?

    I want the current time (DST) forever and will sign accordinly

    Enkers,

    It was the latter. Op seems to have updated their post accordingly.

    NarrativeBear,

    Standard time is sometimes referred to as “winter time” or “normal time”, while daylight savings time (DST) may also be called summer time, especially in the UK.

    More than 60% of the countries in the world use standard time all year.

    The remaining countries use DST during the summer months, generally setting clocks forward one hour from standard time.

    Canada is divided into six time zones. Most areas of the country’s provinces and territories operate on standard time from the first Sunday in November to the second Sunday in March and daylight saving time the rest of the year.

    In the regions of Canada that use daylight saving time, it begins on the second Sunday of March at 2 a.m. and ends on the first Sunday in November at 2 a.m. As a result, daylight saving time lasts in Canada for a total of 34 weeks (238 days) every year.

    Rodeo,

    You wrote all that out and it doesn’t even answer his question.

    can,

    Really doubt they wrote it.

    kevincox,
    @kevincox@lemmy.ml avatar

    IIRC didn’t a recent prime minister (probably Trudeau) say that we would do it if the US also did it? I agree that DST is a mistake but I think doing it without coordination of the US would be cause fare more pain than benefits.

    The EU also recommended member states to stop doing DST if I recall correctly. So it seems like if the US can be convinced the world would pretty quickly move away from DST.

    On the other hand aren’t the health concerns mostly bunk? I remember seeing a lot of studies that noted an uptick of various issues during a DST transition but closer inspection revealed that the vast majority of this effect was time-shifting of issues that were going to happen anyways. Basically if you were going to have a heart attack in the next week you will have it during the jump, but if you look at the week or month overall there was no statically significant change. I do admit that I am behind on research here though. Are there any well reviewed meta-analysis that are showing significant results?

    villasv, (edited )

    Yes, there is some decent research on this though nothing super definitive because most research is still very local. Specially on traffic accidents, most security experts agree that having DST permanent would be beneficial.

    I’m the opinion that having fewer crashes would offset the mild annoyance of being 1 hour out of sync with the US, but I’m not too strong on this stance either. We have other things that have higher return for same level of effort to implement… like better car lighting regulations that as always the US (NHTSA) is fucking motionless and we’re locked to them.

    I’d put all chips to eliminating RTOR but I don’t expect to see that in my lifetime.

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