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ttmrichter, in US Congress Proposes $500 Million of Additional Funding for Negative News Coverage of China

So the current press climate of blaming China for everything up to and including sunspots isn't negative enough?

Helix, in Diablo immortal release delayed in China. Come read some redditors wildly speculating to give yourself brain damage

I really dislike the CCP in most regards but the amount of transparency they force on gambling and gacha games like this is pretty good. Down with Diablo Immortal, that pay to win slot machine piece of shit of a game.

ttmrichter,

Here’s a little tip for you: If you use “CCP” you’re basically identifying yourself as an ignoramus whose opinions on the topic can be safely ignored. After all if you can’t get the name of an institution correct, what are the odds that you got things that require genuine knowledge and nuance right?

Helix,

If you use “CCP” you’re basically identifying yourself as an ignoramus

Oh I’m sorry, of course I meant 中國共產黨.

You seem to have overlooked I actually praised the Communist Party of one of the Chinas in my comment.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
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Buddy, there are about 170+ countries (only 14 or 15 do not) that recognise only one China and one Chinese government. That is the sole official recognition. Taiwan is a province of China, which PRC respects and gives ample independence.

Tell me when Taiwan has an embassy of any country on earth, that Taiwan is a dejure sovereign country. Spoiler: it has none.

marmulak,

I wouldn’t call China’s stance towards Taiwan “respect”. Even so, I don’t have an opinion whether it’s part of China or not. Perhaps only Taiwanese people are qualified to say.

ClumsyHacker, in China and Pakistan agree to build a 1800km high-speed rail linking Karachi with Peshawar

The US has in the past criticized China for using what it calls “debt diplomacy” to make developing nations more dependent on Beijing.

This is hilarious. The US does the exact same thing; it uses debt diplomacy to make developing nations more dependent on the US.

yogthos,
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Not only that, but US will literally invade your country if you don't do what US wants. US business model is closer to a mob protection racket.

Helix, in After the Liang Hui: Team Xi in Charge

Xi received 2952 votes out of the 2952 NPC delegates present.

I’m pretty sure getting exactly or over 100% of the vote is much more likely in a fascist government than it is in a democracy.

Is it possible for parliamentary members to abstain from the vote? Why did nobody do it?

overflow64,
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Yeah but there would be consequences and a few dissenting votes wouldn’t change the predetermined outcome but would probably come at the risk of harm of yourself and your family

Helix,

This sounds exactly like George Orwell’s 1984.

muad_dibber, in Worker rights in PRC
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Sure! Workers right's in the PRC are stronger than nearly anywhere else in the world. Wages are up 4x in the last 3 decades, homeownership is nearly universal, urban poverty is essentially eradicated, workers right and safety are enshrined in its constitutional documents, unions are strong and regularly get the backing of the government against employer abuses. Mandatory unions and CPC reps in every business above a certain employee number threshold.

The 996 work schedules prevalent in some industries like tech remain a problem to be tackled, but since work hours have been decreasing steadily over the last few years, I think we can be confident that this will be addressed at higher levels.

hightrix,

This sounds extremely close to propaganda.

Please state some negatives about China, including discussing the controversial history?

Idreamofcheesy,

Right? If he tells me what happened on April 15, 1989 then I might look more into the claims. Otherwise I’ll assume it’s all junk and continue to the next comment.

k_o_t,
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oh damn, that’s very elaborate, much thanks 😊 🙏🫡

EatBorekYouWreck,

That’s also propaganda, look at my comment above

XbSuper,

You’re getting a lot of downvotes, but nobody commenting with counter points. Everything you said sounds wrong to me, but I genuinely have no idea.

astropenguin5,

I think some of it might just be a base reaction of “ooh china bad no way it could be good at all I’m gonna downvote this and leave”, especially considering I found this post from sorting by hot on ‘all’. I dont doubt there is some exaggeration of how bad china is, but I agree that there is no way it’s as good as the one commenter is saying, however I have no sources or points either.

EatBorekYouWreck,

Look at my counterpoints above

EatBorekYouWreck, (edited )

I really hope you’re right. But this doesn’t seem to settle with the Foxxconn suicides that happened due to low wage and brutal working conditions.

I’m not sure that wage increases is comparable to western countries, in the last 3 decades china has become very rich from being very poor. It is only reasonable that wages will go up. And for numbers: China’s gdp rose 1600% in the last 3 decades, it would seem that 400% wage increase keeps most money in the hands of the employers and not in the hands of workers. And in absolute terms, Chinese labor is much much cheaper than any other western country (that’s why China manufactures most of the world’s goods), meaning Chinese workers get much less money for their efforts.

China has a huge housing crisis (just like most other developed countries). The state had built huge ghost cities that nobody wants to live in, people bought unfinished houses and are now refusing to pay their mortgage. Just google china housing crisis and look at the problems it has to face.

China’s street poverty and homelessness has not been eradicated

I believe you that unions are strong in china, but having strong unions in my country as well, I can only wonder how corrupt Chinese unions are.

China is not the amazing safe haven you present it to be

remotelove,

The dude is also quoting a CGTN documentary about poverty in China. Just using one state run media source as a reference here just crushes any of his credibility.

He needs a healthy dose of anti-propaganda from serpentza or advchina on YouTube.

ttmrichter,

Some of this is real. Some of this is aspirational. Some of this is straight-up propaganda (and not even very credible propaganda!).

Life in China is nowhere near as dire as most westerners feel seemingly compelled to insist it “really” is. Life in China is nowhere near as paradisiacal as its strongest proponents feel compelled to state it is. The truth, as is usual, lies somewhere between the extremes and, further, in a nation as large and ornate as China, varies strongly according to where you are.

Many (not all) of the horrific stories you hear (like the Foxconn thing: I work about a 25 minute walk from that campus) are true-ish but usually overstated and are not representative of most experienced life here. (One area, however, where China is very similar to the west is that tech companies are utter dumpster fires as employers.) Conversely many of the rosy pictures you find painted in the above links are also overstated, incompletely analyzed, and again not representative of the lived lives of most people here.

For an example of the latter, I’ll pick on the “own their own home” thing. Yes, it’s true, 70% of Chinese millennials own their own home. Because their parents (and sometimes their grandparents!) took massive hits to their lifestyles to scrape the money together … for a down payment. (A frequent pattern is Chinese seniors taking up a mortgage on a home they’ve owned for decades just so they can meet a down payment for their children or grandchildren.) In the bigger cities people refer to themselves as “house slaves” because the majority of their income goes to service their mortgages, community fees, and other expenses related solely to owning a home. They own their own home, but very little else as a result. What’s going on with housing here right now cannot continue for much longer before there’s a collapse, and there’s some signs of that collapse already beginning as young people put off getting married later and later and later in life (because it’s almost obligatory for the man to own a home before marriage). There will come a time where people will stop bothering to even get married, to have children, because of something as simple as “I can’t afford a house in my lifetime”. The older generations can only mortgage off so much before the well runs dry.

(Source for my opinions: 22 years and counting of living and working in China, observing both my own state and that of my extended family here.)

AgreeableLandscape, in Huawei completes switch from US products to in-house system in 88 overseas units

How the US didn't see this coming is laughable.

Drstrange2love,
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In recent years the US has underestimated the productive capacity and technology of China, as well as other countries.

yogthos,
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Seems like they ended up victims of their own propaganda in the end where they assumed that Chinese companies weren't capable of developing their own tech and were just stealing from the brilliant US companies.

TheAnonymouseJoker, in Huawei completes switch from US products to in-house system in 88 overseas units
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The biggest issue is mass scale in-house chip making independent of US and friends. That needs to happen. Everything else is secondary.

yogthos,
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China is already starting to produce small batches of 5nm chips, so now it's just a matter of scaling up production. I expect that within a few years China will start pulling ahead of the west in terms of chip production.

MammyWhammy, in China's modernization is directed toward common prosperity for all
CannotSleep420,
strwbrryJen, in China's modernization is directed toward common prosperity for all

@yogthos i've always felt mixed on how sincere the prc's commitment to socialism is and I'll readily admit i'm staring out of a dirty burger grease stained fish bowl that is American propaganda; but seeing things like this gives me hope that their commitment to socialism is geniune

Anarcho_Mandalorian, in UK orders China to close secret police stations in Britain

Probably for the best

OsrsNeedsF2P,

Until you realize these "police stations" are just foreign service centers where Chinese citizens can do things like renew their drivers license, collect pension funds, and complete other administrative tasks

Anarcho_Mandalorian,

That's still very strange. Like, if America did it it would also be weird. I'm not saying it's bad to have those services available, but maybe an embassy is a better place for that sort of service?

CookieJarObserver,

They could just go to the embassy like normal people... You also don't need to hide your "administrative office" in a fucking Restaurant...

jeena,
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That's what consulates and embassies are for, no need to have hidden Chinese police in the back of the restaurant.

buxtonwater, (edited )

Then why have there been reports of people being accosted shall we say, after entering the premises of places like this?

And an embassy or in this case a consulate does effectively the exact same job that you're saying, it's what almost every nation in the entire world does. So it's weird that they're different to begin with.

Fake4000,

Agreed. Especially that some of them were in the back of a restaurant. As soon its hidden in a restaurant, you know its shady.

makingStuffForFun, in UK orders China to close secret police stations in Britain
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  • yogthos,
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    the least racist westerner has logged on

    makingStuffForFun,
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    yogthos,
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    I see somebody doesn’t know the difference between facts and opinions.

    makingStuffForFun,
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    theguardian.com/…/theyre-being-watched-chinese-pr…

    All of these students are lying i guess. I wonder what their opinion is? Especially those who’s families were bullied and those that had their passports confiscated.

    yogthos,
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    No, you’re absolutely right, there is absolutely no precedent for these kinds of smear campaigns in the west.

    makingStuffForFun,
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    I guess Australia’s two most respected news sources are lying. Ok.

    yogthos,
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    Ah yes, because it’s inconceivable that western media would lie about China. 🤣

    makingStuffForFun,
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    Well, you feel free to choose that particular hill. It’s clear what the truth is. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Enjoy continuing your Chinese propaganda.

    yogthos,
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    Well, you feel free to choose that particular hill. It’s clear what you want to believe. Enjoy continuing your anti-Chinese propaganda.

    makingStuffForFun,
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    It’s clear what I’ve seen with my own eyes. And that is that. Everything else is clearly, factually, not true.

    yogthos,
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    Only thing clear here is that you’ve never actually explained what it is that you claim to have seen.

    makingStuffForFun,
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    I think the links I’ve sent are enough to give anyone an idea. You have a great day, and keep posting about China’s superiority, as you have been in nearly your complete post history.

    yogthos,
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    You keep talking about some personal experience here, but won’t say what it is. You have a good day seething and coping there.

    zba12264, in Is veganism a thing in China?

    不流行

    piezoelectron,
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    Bad bot

    zba12264,

    我不是机器人

    zba12264,

    什么?

    SillyJester, in Is veganism a thing in China?

    All my Chinese friends claim it's hard to eat vegetarian in China, yet alone vegan, but China can differ per region too. Dublin had some nice vegan options in some Chinese restaurants since you asked about eating outside of China.

    Zoldyck, in Worker rights in PRC

    Workers rights, in China? That’s a good joke lol

    Ildar,
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    You should ask about workers rights in Russia, you’d be very surprised

    ttmrichter,

    May I know which Chinese cities and companies you’ve worked in please?

    KuroiKaze, in Worker rights in PRC

    Having worked a little bit in an office in China, I can tell you that it is extremely hard to fire people there. There are some government mandated minimums for employment that have to be met and as such many companies employ people they don’t actually need. If you go into a local KFC, you’ll notice half a dozen people standing around waiting to move food off tables into the trash since the government requires KFC to employ minimum amount of people. I saw many examples of outright incompetent and laziness in the workplace and management basically shrugged and said there is nothing they can do about it.

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