Burghler,

Why was 9/11 such a poorly rated episode in an otherwise solid season. Hmmm 🤔

dorcas_gustine,

The towrating collapsed…

Brickhead92,

Season 9 episode 11 was an inside job!!

CoggyMcFee,

Laughter can’t melt steel beams!

habitualcynic,

It’s a clip show episode musical without the normal effort they put into clip shows like the self-aware 138th episode spectacular in season 7 episode 10.

numjei,
@numjei@lemmy.world avatar

Never been an afficionado of the Simpsons. Always been watching passively to have background sound. So always a pleasure to have more and more episodes to watch.

MadBigote,

The graph represents my experience with The Simpsons. Back when they got their movie for the 10th anniversary, the serie was already struggling with the audience. I believe that was the point where they changed the animation to a horrible 3d rendering and, at least in my country, the started having troubles negotiating with the original voices we all grew up with.

Honestly at this point I believe I haven’t missed much from the series since the 9th season. They should just let it die at this point, as they should’ve done it in 2007.

Lojcs,

3d?

jsomae,

Some objects are 3d renders, most notably cars.

I_Clean_Here,

The movie came out in 2007, mate. Nothing to do with the 10th anniversary.

Also, you probably referred to the move from hand drawn to software animation. Because there is no “3d rendering” happening in the usual sense.

How an episode of The Simpsons is made: theverge.com/…/the-simpsons-al-jean-interview

Jackcooper,

What happened at episode 23.22?!

twotonebax,
@twotonebax@lemmy.world avatar
VindictiveJudge,

Looks like Lady Gaga randomly popped up to boost Lisa’s spirits when she became literally the least popular person at school.

Jourei,

That indeed is interesting, had to look it up. Episode Lisa goes Gaga, Lady Gaga guest starring the episode perhaps warranted the 38% of one point ratings. www.imdb.com/title/tt2403733/

Des,
@Des@hexbear.net avatar

my pirate collection stops exactly at season 9

i guess i can now call it my “criterion collection of the simpsons yaaaar”

Rai,

I have it all because hoarding.

I’ve never watched past season 13. The last season I could get through is 12…

There’s some bangers in 10-12 though.

Des,
@Des@hexbear.net avatar

my ancient hard drive used to have up to 12 i think. and you are right it was hit and miss there were a few goodies but so many bad as well

and then whatever happened with the really late seasons where the show basically became family guy i get sort of secondhand embarrassed watching

Rai,

Gods, how right you are. I stopped after 12 watching as it came out, 10-12 had some great eps but many that I was just… bored watching.

I’ve seen a scattered few from 13-20 and they were nigh unwatchable. You’re totally right about the Family Guy-ication, and it’s not even early (good) Family Guy. It’s like watching newer Spongebob, after the writer (director?) quit.

I need to watch the Gaga episode. It sounds truly awful. I don’t know if I’m ready for that psychic damage.

some_guy,

I was a major adult fan in my twenties who worked with people who could finish a Simpsons joke when anyone started a line from the show. I remember coming in and sadly announcing that I thought I didn’t like the show anymore. That was in the oughts. It had been in decline for a while at the time.

Gigan,
@Gigan@lemmy.world avatar

I just started a rewatch of The Simpsons. I was only planning to watch the first 10 seasons though, juat because of the drop off in writing quality.

RunawayFixer,

Episode 3 of season 6 is such an outlier. Too much romance for the Simpsons audience apparently.

fishos,
@fishos@lemmy.world avatar

It’s a clip show. Both low rating episodes from the first seasons are clip shows. That’s why. Clip shows are typically unpopular, even tho for The Simpsons, each clip is original and not a reair of a previous one. They’re “filler” episodes.

deweydecibel,

Since when are IMDB ratings a serious metric of quality?

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

Homer no!! That’s Elon Musk! One of the world’s greatest inventors!!

Actual line from the show.

PhAzE,

To be fair, that was back when the world liked him. It was topical at the time.

Omega_Haxors, (edited )

Nah that was around the time he started showing himself as being a bit of loser, but before he came out as an outright nazi.

kabi,

Just got to that one recently. Painful episode. Not even Bowie could save it by the end.

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

For anyone wondering the top rated episodes here, all at 9.2 are:

S5E2 Cape Feare
S6E6 Treehouse of Horror V
S6E25 Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part One
S8E2 You Only Move Twice

And just as I was finishing that, I noticed that one episode has a 9.3, d’oh!

S8E23 Homer’s Enemy

MissJinx,
@MissJinx@lemmy.world avatar

Just want to add that nobody is talking about the decline of tv itself. Its not only the simpsons but the whole media.

deadbeef79000,

Exactly. This needs to be baselined with aggregate ratings for TV or at least the genre.

Mango,

I went into ye olde Plex server to see what 8-23 is about and immediately went “yep. That tracks.”

Azuth, (edited )

Love how even IRL people forget about Frank Grimes. good ol Grimey

TheOctonaut,

Change the channel Marge!

alyth,

I watched the Simpsons as a kid. Never thought much about it, but Homer’s Enemy is the one episode that resurfaced in my mind as an adult decades later.

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not disputing that The Simpsons declined in quality, but I do kind of question the high scores for the first season or two.

I’m not a superfan or anything, but my perception of the show was that it took 3 or 4 seasons to really get good?

qevlarr,
@qevlarr@lemmy.world avatar

Uhm, the values are going up after a few seasons

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

Indeed but I’m questioning the scores themselves in S1 and S2. Put it this way, I didn’t think that those seasons were considered almost as good as most the next 8, I would have expected them to be mostly in the 6.8-7.2 range.

TachyonTele,

They were amazing when they came out, which is when they were rated.

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think that’s true though - these are the IMDb ratings, which remain open, and didn’t exist when the episodes came out.

TachyonTele,

It’s basically the same. Here’s info from the nelson TV ratings: …m.wikipedia.org/…/List_of_The_Simpsons_episodes

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough. As I said at the start, it was just the impression I had - evidently not the case :-)

TachyonTele,

I’m glad you asked actually. Looking up any info is not easy. Apparently nelson TV ratings are really hard to look into these days. Even in that link I tried to follow the refrences for more info and hit a dead end pretty fast.

Also I find it interesting that they do match up with the IMDb numbers. Because your not wrong, the nostalgia is strong for those early seasons. Pretty cool is not unwarranted.

WarlockLawyer,

If you were around during the early 90s on Usenet you would see a lot of people talking about how Simpsons peaked in season 1. More grounded. More focused on struggling family.

teamevil,

You have to remember the setting…the first couple of seasons the Simpsons was a huge change from standard sitcoms in the late 80s. It got eyes on it as it grew into itself.

wick,

I was gonna say these ratings are at least a decade removed from that context, but TIL that IMDb has been around since 1990.

Got_Bent,

I was seventeen when the Simpsons became their own show. The cultural impact was enormous and immediate. By the summer of 1990, images of the Simpsons were freaking everywhere. Clothes, glasses, miscellaneous trinkets, everywhere.

So it’s not really necessary for the first couple of seasons to come short against seasons three and four.

The seismic wave the show caused from its beginning were enough to garner those scores you see.

danc4498,

The ratings in the graph reflect this. The first couple seasons were solid 7-8 seasons. The next bunch of seasons were solid 8-9.5 seasons.

Also, seasons 1 isn’t great in hindsight. But it was still groundbreaking and probably factors into its score.

MotoAsh,

To get uniquely good, I’d agree, but I recently started rewatching from the start and it starts strong. At least for a start, anyways. Some cliche plot lines, but it’s never JUST the main plot line so even the cliches aren’t boring or lazily done.

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

Fair enough - I’m not as familiar with the earliest seasons, so it was more the impression I had than a definite opinion :-)

infeeeee,

During the first 3 seasons Simpsons was animated by KlaskyCsupo, “animation executive producer” and “supervising animation director” was Gábor Csupó. After he left animation style changed to more conventional.

So while the characters, writing and plotlines were not as genial as in the following seasons the animation style was much more interesting, with strange perspectives and point of views, distorted spaces, etc. Just look at this early recording: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LUf-GGHpuU

Edgarallenpwn, (edited )
@Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social avatar

https://midwest.social/pictrs/image/de5ad833-7d12-4069-b095-b86d4d0acf6e.jpeg The twister mouth might be the most known/famous creative decision during the KlaskyCsupo seasons. After the Simpsons they worked on Duckman which feels like a series more suited to their animation style.

KlaskyCsupo also animated for Rugrats and Aaahh Real Monsters as well if those early seasons seem familiar but you can’t put your finger on why.

jsomae,

I think I’m going to need to see this in motion

infeeeee, (edited )

Here is a compilation: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gPay3RUp1c

I never noticed this, it just looks like this for a few frames, but yeah, it’s a strange design choice, it makes the characters look like they are made from clay or rubber.

vox_shit_alt,

what’s the deal with 9th episodes being good every now and then

sanguinepar,
@sanguinepar@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe the last episode before a season break or something?

Microw,

Maybe the 9th ones are the Treehouse of Horror ones?

Setiyeti93,

A very nice wave seeing the series decline… The only problem with it is it seems a little skewed to have 5.5 in strong red…

Dippy,

I think the idea is that probably around 4.5 it becomes un airable on national tv

ForgotAboutDre,

How people rate things is skewed. 5 really means there isn’t anything redeemable about it.

For someone to mark below the midway point it tends to be because they are offended or upset about it. At that point a quality rating isn’t appropriate, it should be 0.

deweydecibel,

Why are you assuming that there’s some uniform rating standard that every person is committing to?

ForgotAboutDre,

That’s just how humans are. The average rating is 7. If it was perfectly even it would be 5. But it isn’t. We are objective or rational when we’re asked to put a number to our personal opinion.

RarePossum,

I’m just nitpicking but why are 7.7 and 6.6 arbitrary the thresholds for the colour change? Also, why is one 6.6 red while another two are yellow?

IHateReddit,

maybe the displayed value was rounded but the value for the color wasn’t

bstix, (edited )

It appears that the colours are not on a fixed scale. The season averages and individual episodes are coloured using different ranges.

It ranges from lowest to highest regardless of the value. Like conditional formatting in Excel does if you don’t specify the scale.

The seasons average ratings range from 6.1-8.4, so it goes red to green in the span of 2.3 points.

The episodes range from 3.9 to 9.3, so it goes red to green in the span of 5.4 points.

The full IMDb ratings range from 1-10. This should have been used as a basis for the colouring instead. The overall average on IMDb is somewhere around 7, so it would be fine to skew the colours so the middle/yellow was at 7, but it should be able to represent any possible ratings.

Hawk,

I agree, almost all episodes still get a passing grade. Using 1-10 as a basis, it would paint an entirely different picture.

lordmauve,

I think it’s fair to colour seasons and episodes with different scales because they are measuring different things.

Due to the Central Limit Theorem, average of 20+ episodes will have a smaller standard deviation than individual episodes.

For example, an individual episode with a score of 6 you’ll probably watch. A whole season with a score of 6, maybe not.

deweydecibel,

Should probably also be acknowledged that the sample size is not going to be the same.

You’re going to get a bunch of people piling in to highly rate the early episodes that they remember watching when they were kids, but a significantly lower number are going to be voting on the episodes that came later.

Really the whole premise of trying to compare and contrast the seasons for such a long running show that existed before IMDb even started is flawed on many levels.

brbposting,

If the music labels are botting up Spotify playcounts, are media producers botting up IMDb ratings?

bstix,

Yes, it has been observed that IMDb sometimes get a lot of new “single post users” putting in 10/10 ratings on Disney movies that otherwise scored badly.

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