Why is Kbin seemingly growing considerably slower than Lemmy?
I'm a bit confused at the explosive growth of Lemmy and the slower growth of Kbin. Do the stats reflect the reality or is there a problem with the data being fed back to the various stat hubs?
I know the difference is partly because Lemmy was a larger platform, and is better known but the growth of Kbin seems suprisingly flat while the community seems to be getting more and more active?
i've noticed that sometimes these magazines are actually fairly recent and you don't have to leave the site—the server may be incomplete but also may not be. i've subscribed to a few from beehaw that say this and seem recent enough that i can use them.
but for sure this is not the case for all of them and it is a top issue that's gotta be addressed if we want more users to hop on without skepticism
I have been using Lemmy initially, but have switched over to trying Kbin. I am still unsure which I will use mainly.
I think Kbin has a much cleaner UI, but I think I like the process of commenting on Lemmy much better. Many little things, like having a "top" sort option to see the top comment, and comment box under the story as opposed to at the bottom of the page. Also, you can minimize comment trees in Lemmy, which is a necessity.
Lemmy's one big issue right now is its main page sorting is broken and needs desperately to be fixed.
yeah i started my fediverse journey on lemmy, but i wasnt a big fan of the interface. The mobile apps in testflight didn't scratch that itch for me either. But the kbin website w/ kbin enhancement script has made me an ideal experience on both desktop and mobile so I believe I will be staying with kbin.
In terms of content posted, I'm not sure that is the case.
In terms of users, there's just been a massive surge in Lemmy users over the last few days - far outstripping the growth in users that happened over the initial Reddit blackout period - which is believed to be because of bots on instances that don't have controls around sign-ups.
Just a minor correction, kbin unfederated during the great migration due to user explosion. Kbin also activated cloud flare to keep bots from marching in. Kbin went back to being federated after @ernest felt safe doing so. Some Lemmy instances unfederated too.
Kbin's docs for self-hosting are pretty incomplete. Lemmy's docs are also awful but since they have a docker image and an ansible playbook, creating new instances is easier.
Yes, it's different. Self-hosting means you set up a running version of kbin (or whatever) on your own server. All the different domains you see (lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, lemmy.world, kbin.social, fedia.io etc etc) are on their own servers. Theoretically you could also set up a version where you are the sole user even.
Some Lemmy instances don't have any sort of validation on user signup, but Kbin absolutely has user signup validation, which limits how fast we can grow(and is a great thing IMO).
Also, with the way federation works its almost a benefit since then kbin(and any other smaller server) can maintain a tighter community with the ability to cut out servers with negative experiences(read: too spammy/too many bots/too hateful)
kbin wasn't federated yet when we jumped. as far as i'm aware i made my kbin account like 6 hours after federation, because i did that as soon as i heard that there was a different UI
i'm from australia. australia is a federation. this country is made up of six states and a number of territories. the six states are all still legally distinct entities with their own individual laws that do not impact residents of other states. to be able to be part of a larger country tho, our different states need to comply to another, higher set of rules that are decided by our federal government. it is theoretically (but not legally) possible for a state to be ejected or to leave the federation in which case they won't have to comply to the federation-wide rules any more. for example, the country of New Zealand has had a standing invitation to join the australian federation ever since colonies on the australian mainland started talking about declaring statehood and then joining up in a federation, but those smart bastards have always told us where to go and where to tie our horse up when we get there. the fact that they've literally always had better conditions (eg women being allowed to vote and own land) might have something to do with it
Someone with way more knowledge about this subject than I can correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I gathered it's good to think of these things like this:
Instances (kbing, lemmy, mastadon,etc) are like Cities. They can function interdependently but do better by being connected (federated) to other cities. If, for example you are like me, and despise a certain city, your city can choose not to connect with that city, but doing so means your citizens won't be able to see/do anything with that city.
That seems like the bottom line. I suppose a case could be made for concern that the instance you choose is going to remain for the long term. And that it's not run by people with beliefs egregiously different than yours. Other than that, being on a main instance or not shouldn't matter too much.
All I know is i’m using an ipad and everytime I try to log into lemmy i’m stuck at the login screen with a spinning icon. Tried kbin and it just works, no hassle.
Most people like me came to lemmy when they first left reddit and it was just there. my first instance was lemmy.ml and they where having issues so i went to lemmy.world and it was amazing. i kept hearing about kbin but they where having issues also. eventually kbin was stable and now i'm here for the long haul. lemmy has basic features like subs and you can subscribe and create post etc.. kbin has Threads = Reddit Post, Microblogging = Twitter and Magazines = Subreddits all in one service. Make an account and see for yourself. you can have a lemmy account kbin dosen't matter!
Some of that may well be real, but one issue that is a factor is that it appears that someone is having bots auto-creating accounts at lemmy instances with open-sign-up, which is believed to be responsible for a considerable portion of the new accounts (basically, many of the accounts don't appear to be active, and apparently the instance admins are banning a number of them). The lemmy.dbzer0.com instance admin has something up on GitHub to try to monitor the situation:
I'll add that that does highlight the fact that the Reddit team has put a lot of time over the years into countering bad actors, spammers and the like, and some of those are probably going to try to hit lemmy/kbin.
Lotta bots on Lemmy. The stats I saw looked like 200k users in the last few weeks. I'd willing to gamble most are bots. Maybe some for ads, maybe some to claim names then sell 'em later.
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