We need to be able to differentiate between NSFW and porn.

A boob, a butt, or even some violence like one might see on the news anyway, I’m not freaked out about all that and I don’t feel the need to hide it from those around me usually… that’s all fine fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Editing for clarity here:

Those are all things that might get flagged NSFW that I don’t mind seeing in general. I’m not uptight about it, it’s just a little different to be inundated with hardcore pornography like… while on the train.

I joined a primarily social insurance, kbin.social. I am very open to what is in my feed, sometimes to the extremer ends of that. I just believe that porn is a separate thing entirely and should be separated in some way. I’m not opposed to porn, but there’s a reason it had its own room in the video store. And if you’re wanting to look at porn, there’s a good chance you’re ONLY looking for porn at that moment.

LoafyLemon,
LoafyLemon avatar

A boob, a butt, or some violence like combat footage or the like are all fine, but I don’t want porn on my feed like at all.

Likewise, but I want porn and none the violence. Make love, not war! 🥵

Narrrz,

💯
I even find movie violence quite disturbing sometimes.
But not video game violence. That I'm perpetrating. I'm not sure if that says anything about me.

thanksbrother,
thanksbrother avatar

I don’t disagree - but just during this whole Ukraine / Russia thing I’ve found myself subscribing to some things where I’m likely to see footage from the field. To me this is just informational and in some ways important to see, despite the fact that it is difficult to take. Horrors of war and all that. That’s a normal part of my daily news consumption while someone in a dog costume getting railed in an elevator at a convention is uh… well it is what it is, and I don’t want it.

DRUGS_AND_PORN,

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    jon,
    jon avatar

    His point is he doesn't want to be shown everything. He wants a distinction between material that's inappropriate for a workplace environment, and porn.

    DRUGS_AND_PORN,

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    cloaker,

    Well they should add a new feature to that customisable feed you dunce.

    DRUGS_AND_PORN,

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    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Use your eyes and your brain and re-read and realize that you are just not actually understanding anything.

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Like, I get it dude. You like drugs and porn. It’s literally your username. In the world I imagine, you would have both the “Show NSFW content” box checked as well as the “Display pornographic content” box, you’d have every box checked I’m sure because you get on here after taking two xans and a puff of A-PiHP and jerk it for hours, which is FINE! I don’t care.

    MOST PEOPLE on here want to see new content outside of what they have subscribed to because the Fediverse is huge and it’s impossible to subscribe to everything you want to see. Most of those people aren’t trying to watch porn, and would prefer to filter it out. To have that option, without also removing everything else that might be deemed “NSFW” would be PRETTY COOL.

    NOBODY is trying to fuck up your hobby or take anything away from you. It’s just a slightly altered feed based on some common sense practices.

    TheDudeAbiding,
    TheDudeAbiding avatar

    Hey buddy, you know you're talking to yourself right? You good?

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    If only I actually was talking to myself instead of compulsively responding to bad faith arguments from a handful of people here I would have done a much better job paying attention to the mindless television I was trying to watch last night. Felt just like reddit again for a few minutes there, but now back to uh... anything other than arguing on the internet. Keep on abiding.

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    You don’t think there’s a middle ground here where maybe NSFW is far too restrictive in most modern platforms, especially Reddit where almost every profile that discusses drugs or sex or cigarettes or whatever is marked NSFW, and maybe just “porn” which is literally illegal to display to minors in the USA? I like drugs, I like sex, I got no problem talking about any of it. But if I want to see a complete feed there’s no room to even ASK for an option to see everything that isn’t porn?

    DRUGS_AND_PORN,

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    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    There’s no NSFW law my guy

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    You wouldn’t think this concept would be so controversial or difficult to understand but hey it’s the internet

    cloaker,

    Clearly it's fuckin revolutionary because no-one seems to be able to grasp it.

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    What I’m saying is that there’s “NSFW” which includes many things and then there’s “porn” which deserves a separate designation for those of us that are here to see literally anything but porn.

    DRUGS_AND_PORN,

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    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Right, you’re kind of arguing my point here. NSFW is not sufficient for most people’s casual browsing experience and there should be additional designations, or just one, one for “porn,” which would solve 99% of unwanted material on most people’s feeds

    DRUGS_AND_PORN,

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    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Have a good night my fellow internet person. Not worth the argument. Most people are able to see the difference here and it’s in line with how most people use social media in most places most of the time. I don’t want to see snuff films either but that’s not clogging up half the “all” feed requiring me to block multiple subs per day.

    cloaker,

    I don't see people's issue with your argument. Reddit does this implicitly by blocking porn subs from the front page. I dont want this here but there should just be a sub tag to have it filtered out.

    XiELEd,
    XiELEd avatar

    So imagine NSFW (or 18+) as a circle and sexual content as a smaller circle within it. Some people look for NSFW (say, combat footage), but not porn. If a post was designated within "sexual content", it would also put it within the realm of NSFW, so it won't show up to someone who doesn't want to see NSFW, but if someone is fine with NSFW but not sexual content, they won't see porn, but will be able to see NSFW.

    nutlink,

    It's not like they're asking it to go away or to be curated for everyone. They just wanted to differentiate the type of NSFW. Sometimes if someones in the mood the last thing they want to see is some poor bastard get splattered on a road, other times when the morbid curiosity hits you don't want to see someone showing their "OH!" face.

    You tell them to curate their feed, and that's partly what they want to accomplish. Yes, there are tools in place to do it, but it's easier to find what you want by filtering down than it is to use some of the search tools.

    LoafyLemon,
    LoafyLemon avatar

    That’s a normal part of my daily news consumption while someone in a dog costume getting railed in an elevator at a convention is uh… well it is what it is, and I don’t want it.

    Oh, that's just terrible! Share the location of that post, will you? I wouldn't want to stumble upon it by accident!

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Nice try compadre

    ListenHereToughGuy,

    I don't want to be contrarian here, but I don't think we do. The title should be more than enough to determine the kind of nsfw it is. I'm not saying we don't need the feature, but I've never clicked a link thinking it would be porn and got gore or similar.

    Porn doesn't usually come from communities that aren't porn communities so it isn't really ever an issue. An I off base here?

    Skrounge,

    For me the issue is, I want to be able to set a filter on /all where the porn isn't rocking up but the combat footage etc is.

    VoxAdActa,
    VoxAdActa avatar

    I just want the NSFW thumbnails to be blurred out. I'm on Kbin, and I distinctly remember checking a box that said it would do that, but it doesn't do that. So I had to check the box to remove all NSFW from my feed, which I also don't want, but don't-want less than I don't-want my boss or my SO to look over my shoulder and see boobs in the "random posts" sidebar.

    Ataraxia,
    @Ataraxia@lemmy.world avatar

    On jerboa even if it's blurred it is clear what the image is if it's an ass or a crotch or tits or something involving a pet 🤔... I don't want to see anything like that especially CP, blurred or not.

    FaceDeer,
    FaceDeer avatar

    Maybe a better option would be some kind of uniform "avert your eyes" warning thumbnail. Probably would save a minuscule amount of server resources too.

    parrot-party,
    parrot-party avatar

    That's why I say we need a NSFW and a CONTENT_WARNING. The nice thing about content warning is that it's generic enough to have multiple uses. It can cover gore and death, but it can also cover trigger warnings for sensitive spaces.

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    This is a good idea

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    For everything else outside of gore and porn I like browsing with image previews enabled and “all” instead of “subscribed,” and I want to see things that at least on Reddit were forced to be marked as nsfw. Maybe in the Fediverse NSFW is only limited to those things and I can turn it off, which I have, but I do not want to miss content from medium-adult posts just because of my preference to not jerk at all times of day.

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Boosted you because I didn’t think you deserved downvotes for that and the reputation system is messed up. And you have a good username.

    FaceDeer,
    FaceDeer avatar

    Perhaps in addition to allowing some communities to set themselves as NSFW by default, Kbin could also let communities set up tags that get automatically added to their posts? That way the porn ones could add #porn, the combat footage ones could add #gore, etc. "NSFW" would be a special tag that indicates that the contents should be blurred or otherwise hidden from accidental view, and the user could then decide whether they wanted to view it anyway based on the tags that were on it. Meanwhile something that was a perfectly innocent academic debate on the subject of porn could have the #porn tag but not the NSFW flag, and it'd be shown normally.

    Nepenthe,
    Nepenthe avatar

    Oh, that alone sounds much better. That way, there'd be no way to get around tagging it and we'd know who any rebel tagless magazines are

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    This is actually good and the tag system is already in place, just need to implement it as a way to filter out (not filter in) content easily.

    Nepenthe,
    Nepenthe avatar

    Thinking on it more, the only hiccup I can see is stuff like possible medical communities. They would be rarer than your basic morbid curiosity subs, but they do have both important discussion and definitely -nsfw photos. Not everything posted there would be gore, but every image likely would be, so it evades the proposed tag filter somewhat by being both on a regular basis.

    Everything posted there can't be automatically nsfw gore, but it can't not be. It would have to be a hard and fast rule to manually tag them and if the mod doesn't care, all bets are off on a lot of users becoming familiar with a lot of oozing meat.

    AgileBed,

    Porn doesn't usually come from communities that aren't porn communities so it isn't really ever an issue. An I off base here?

    Once a week, on r/all, there is a thread with a cryptic title like "Look at what he did" marked NSFW that is posted in r/videos.

    Now tell me, is that now a person pissing on the street? Is someone dancing naked on their car's roof? Or is it maybe a dude having an accident while skating and it shows his broken arm?

    Zak8022,
    Zak8022 avatar

    Remember when /all showed nsfw/porn threads? That was fun/scary/interesting. I’m not saying one way or another which is “better”, but ultimately having individual options might be best.

    Cinner, (edited )

    There needs to be a levels system instead of a letters system.

    NSF(W)1: you wouldn't look at it in front of your boss in a corporate setting. Anything slightly risque in nature.

    NSF(W)2: Written graphic text

    NSF(W)3: Maybe a nip slip, or an African tribeswoman in native dress

    NSF(W)4: Some intermediary step here

    NSF(W)5: Nudes, porn, etc.

    NSF(L)1: Fight footage with mild-medium violence

    NSF(L)2: Death

    NSF(L)3: Graphic death. Gore. Beheadings. Etc.

    They don't even need to be in order, but there should be a classification system. Once the classification system is implemented, we can set classifications to view/not view in our settings.

    AnotherPerson,
    @AnotherPerson@lemmy.world avatar

    I think just plain tags would be best

    Violence

    Nudity

    Porn

    Make it simple so there is no confusion. I don't mind seeing nudity. I am sometimes in the mood for porn. I have no appetite for violent imagery.

    EarlGrey07,

    Agreed. NSFW to me is synonymous with porn, and everything else may as well have a more literal label. 'gore' 'PDC potentially disturbing content' whatever.

    exohuman,
    exohuman avatar

    Boobs, a butt, a missile decapitating someone… ok! What about a penis? Is that artistic and okay or is that unwanted porn?

    The NSFW tag works well enough. We don’t need to start tagging what is unwanted porn, what is violence, what is wanted porn, what is art. The tag along with the title of the post should be enough.

    freddy,

    Idk bro there was a drawing of a furry getting fucked in the ass while tied up and part of the caption stated it was being raped. How is that artistic?

    exohuman,
    exohuman avatar

    It’s not. It should be tagged NSFW and reported or blocked. I have seen that crap too, but putting additional tags isn’t going to solve that. Someone might tag that shit as “art”. The NSFW tag and title though tell you everything you need to know before opening that up.

    jivemasta,

    I feel like people miss the entire point of nsfw. It is supposed to be so you can have a way to filter everything so you could theoretically not see bad shit on a work computer.

    Nsfw should be a catch all, and almost overly restrictive, that way you can comfortably go to reddit, kbin, Lemmy or whatever on a work computer without fear of bad shit popping up.

    Nepenthe, (edited )
    Nepenthe avatar

    True. However, there is no reason adding a more nuanced tagging system would impact the ability to do that. You can still browse at work when you should be working, just check all the boxes first.

    I, on the other hand, really like art. Sometimes that involves nudity, but it tends to be more incidental to the work and thus more tasteful than the internet's repository of porn gifs. I really like medical subs, which back on reddit expressed itself in following posted medical cases that were often fairly graphic.

    I have no interest in seeing someone get spit roasted at really any point in my day, and there's so much more of it that it would be impossible to find much of anything else nsfw in hours of scrolling. I can't just block all the porn subs like I could on reddit, I've tried, there are more being made every day.

    I don't think most people want to see what happens to your face when the shotgun doesn't kill you, either, when all they're trying to do is jerk off for a minute. At best, that's just gonna give someone a kink they can't talk about.

    As it is now, m/all is a giant porn sub and I'm relegated ONLY to my subscriptions. If I turn the filter on to deal with the porn, I can no longer access my own subs. If I leave it off, it is everywhere and the sheer amount of it noticeably impacts my ability to even use m/all to find subs I may not have the terms to search or just never knew I wanted. Which destroys the point of having an All.

    I think if we broke it down more, both sides would be served and no one would ever have to hear about it again

    thanksbrother, (edited )
    thanksbrother avatar

    Pretty much exactly what I’ve been trying to say, just put more eloquently by you here. Incidental art nudity and medical stuff etc., exactly. I guess it ruffled the feathers of some folks with the way I worded it or people just really are that upset about what seems to be an absolutely benign thing to me.

    aroom,
    aroom avatar

    I had this conversation on mastodon a month ago:

    NSFW is too broad for a tag. We should move on from it and redefined content warning tag specific to the content.

    https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243044941547673
    https://tooting.ch/@aroom/110243567677517996

    (Sorry I can’t find the convo my instance muted mastodon.social so posts are not being displayed. It’s a mess)

    Itty53,
    Itty53 avatar

    Any kind of tag you use to convey "sensitive content that may be offensive" will always become a meme. That's how human nature works and history proves it over and over.

    Examples abound. Skulls and cross bones, the nuclear / atomic symbol, X ratings becoming XXX tags in porno titles, Parental Advisory Explicit Content .... this list keeps going on the closer you look. If a symbol, or a meme, is used to denote a warning, it will be co-opted by a subset of folks who will use it in ironic fashion. NSFW tags, "trigger warning" - all of these in the end are doomed from the very start to, at least in part, fail and have the exact opposite effect.

    There's an interesting problem for nuclear researchers these days: how do you label a thing as dangerous in such a way that societies in ten thousand years will still recognize what it means? Because some of the shit they're toying with will be. They gotta think about it. Like even today the image of a skull means something very different depending on the culture that image is from.

    Aviandelight,
    @Aviandelight@lemmy.world avatar

    That is an absolutely fascinating design question that's going to be living in my head now.

    oldLady80,

    Agreed, violence and gore really bring me down.

    thanksbrother,
    thanksbrother avatar

    Seriously… there are so many things considered occasionally NSFW. Curse words, nudity, violence, suicide, even on Reddit anything tobacco related. I am personally very tolerant of all content, but I have lines with both gore and porn that I just don’t want the content mixed in with my casual browsing. I wish everyone would just take it to lemmynsfw so I could filter it appropriately, but due to relaxed instance rules even a generally tame instance like kbin.social constantly has new specific groups for me to ban. Just today it has beenfurry cartoon porn, feet, celebs…

    Reddit never got this right either, but it seems like such an easy problem to solve. There’s R-rated and there’s porn. Not sure if it’s a result of people being too prude or too loosey goosey, but it seems very obvious to me.

    aroom,
    aroom avatar

    To make it obvious to everyone it could be simply coded in the app. You could choose a category when posting then choose a category as an user.

    BaroqueInMind,
    BaroqueInMind avatar

    This would be great if the other federated communities tagged posts or followed guidelines, but they don't have to, which makes the attempt of censoring federated servers pointless. Just block the shit you don't like to see.

    ChemicalRascal,
    ChemicalRascal avatar

    I think part of the point here is that communities that aren't following common, reasonable guidelines are ultimately going to be defederated by communities who care about those guidelines.

    rosatherad,
    rosatherad avatar

    A more robust tagging system makes blocking what you don't want to see easier and less disruptive to your experience.

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Agreed, posts should have an arbitrary number of arbitrary tags, that’s a simple and flexible system that’s useful for a wide variety of things.

    RosalynKirk,

    We just need a more elaborate labeling system. Instead of the binary SFW/NSFW, we could have several labels:

    • light nudity (boob, butt, etc)

    • porn

    • gore

    • death

    etc.

    Anyone who posts this sort of content without the proper labels gets banned.

    lntl,
    @lntl@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Maybe join beehaw? They defederate with the instances your describing.

    Kowowow,

    I'd settle for a setting to make all NSFW posts automatically minimized so you have to click on it to reveal it without going to the real page for it, if that makes sense

    Bobo_Palermo,

    I'd be cool with both nsfw and xxx tags. Nsfw is so ubiquitous, I think it should stay, and xxx is pretty well defined and short.

    dhc02,

    This is a great solution.

    RheingoldRiver,

    Another example is that /r/vexillology used NSFW to literally mean "Not Safe For Work" e.g. any flag that might get you in trouble should it show up on your PC at work. So for example, a tag for "fascist imagery" instead could be used.

    In this case I like the idea of magazines being able to define their own warnings.

    I'm totally down for Brandon Sanderson subs having "NSFV" tags (will not explain this as it's a spoiler for his books).

    ChosenUndead15, (edited )

    Upvoted just for the NSFV joke. Nice to see a Cosmete fan in the wild.

    567PrimeMover,
    567PrimeMover avatar

    Dude I opened kbin in a fairly public setting and one of the random posts was a guy with a MASSIVE cock, like the girth of a soda can. I wish there was a way for NFSW oriented magazines/communities/instances to automatically flag posts made to them as NSFW

    Brickhead92,

    Probably should have been tagged as MSCC - MASSIVE soda can cock.

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