albatros, (edited )

Currently :

  • "Boost" adds reputation. It's a kind of retweet.

  • "Downvote" removes reputation

  • "Upvote" does nothing. (edit : for reputation)

This is because previously the upvote was boost, they were switched around to be similar to other fediverse systems.

Dev mentioned in another thread that the reputation system should be changed to have up/down count instead of boost/down. But they have a lot to do right now so it might not be the most pressing issue...

TheRecycledMoth,

Thank you so much. I was not understanding what boost was, and have therefore been ignoring it.

realcaseyrollins,

I don't like this, I feel like upvotes should add to reputation, not boosts. But that's just my opinion.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

It's also the opinion of the devs. The fact that it's boosts and not upvotes is a bug, they'll get to fixing it, it's just not top priority right at the moment (since "reputation" doesn't actually do anything and is just a small number tucked away on your profile).

lwgrs,

"Upvote" does nothing

Not exactly - it's technically a "favorite" button. Since I learned exactly what you typed out, I've been using it as a way to save posts I want to read later. However it is correct that it does nothing for reputation.

VerifiablyMrWonka,
VerifiablyMrWonka avatar

It does, AFAIK affect the post ranking i.e. order of posts. So it's got that going for it - which is nice.

bathrobe,
bathrobe avatar

@albatros

@TooL

Oh that’s incredibly stupid.

FaceDeer,
FaceDeer avatar

That's just the current state of the software, not the intended state of the software. There's a bug right now, reputation's not supposed to be calculated that way. It'll get fixed, there's just rather a lot of higher-priority stuff in flight at the moment.

VerifiablyMrWonka,
VerifiablyMrWonka avatar

Just keeping things spinning at this point is taking up most of Ernest's time.

Double_A,

Boost should be removed entirely since it's nonsense to boost most things. E.g. even if I liked your comment here, why would I want to "retweet" that (and retweet into what even)? I just want to tell you that I liked it... with an upvote.

albatros,

For now I use it to save things, since there is no save function.

So it could probably be replaced by that.

But I think it's also here for compatibility with Mastodon...

HidingCat,

I think it's like for compatability with the microblogging side of the fediverse; so when someone on Mastodon follows you they can see what you've been "retweeting".

curiosityLynx,

Also, you can microblog with your kbin account, so boosting with it actually does something.

RheingoldRiver,

So, "boosting" a microblog/post (tweet) will "repost" it into your timeline (so your followers see it)? But what about for threads/comments? Is there any functionality at all for boosting it except to give the user reputation?

curiosityLynx,

As far as I understand it, if you boost a comment, it will also appear in your timeline.

EROLoLICON,
EROLoLICON avatar

I actually use 'boost' to save a thread or comment since there is not a save option.

VerifiablyMrWonka,
VerifiablyMrWonka avatar

As @HidingCat said it's to increase compatibility with the other app. If I'm following your Kbin account from my Mastodon one, when you boost something I'll see it pop up on my feed. I'd be in favour of keeping it but changing the label to something like "boost to fediverse" or "share with followers", or even just "share".

lwgrs,

"share" is obvious in what it does, and efficient in terms of using space on the website. I like it.

asjmcguire,
asjmcguire avatar

Right but it's more than that too though - because if someone is following you on mastodon, and they boost your comment - that adds to your reputation. Which makes more sense than liking stuff increasing your reputation, because people on mastodon (or other platforms) will like stuff just to tell you they like it, but boosting means they think more people should see it - which is more equivalent to an upvote than a like is.

RheingoldRiver,

But they have a lot to do right now so it might not be the most pressing issue...

Actually I think this one is pretty high priority. People don't like seeing negative numbers next to their names. If there is ONE thing that can drive former redditors en masse off a platform, it is an impossibility to accrue karma because the system is (quite literally) broken (as in, it's incorrectly implemented).

There's one argument that we don't want anyone who could be driven away by such a thing as negative karma score, but....I disagree. More users & more content is a good thing. More serotonin for contributing more content is a good thing.

MyMulligan,

I'm playing with different fediverse at the moment as well as this one. That one doesn't do down votes. Didn't know it at the time when I signed up. The idea is appealing. The idea is that if you disagree with a comment, then you should interact and leave your own viewpoint. An anonymous, unthoughtful down vote does nothing that leads to a discussion. In reddit I'd see something down voted to oblivion because of a name brand mentioned but no discussion as to why people disagreed.

Thus far all of the fediverse has been positive comments 90% of the time.

Dude_man_the_third,

That actually makes sense. Legit the reddit style voting system was often just mindless dopamine button pressing where just interacting in the group vote was enough to give you yours but not really encouraging anything beyond that. Iv been sitting here kinda missing it on squabble and now im more ok without.

TheAngryBad,

I used to get so annoyed seeing mindless comments being endlessly reposted ('r/unexpectedoffice' was one that comes to mind, there are many more) and getting hundreds of upvotes. I'm hoping the system here discourages that sort of useless nonsense.

kestrel7, (edited )
kestrel7 avatar

I hear what you're saying, but as a counterpoint: when I read something really fucking stupid (like someone just trolling and posting racial slurs) the appropriate response is actually to downvote & move on without engaging. Do not feed the trolls.

gk99,

Without downvotes, you end up with Twitter-tier garbage discourse and arguments because there's no way for the community to vote to remove an idiot's platform, just clap-backs and ratios.

The up/downvote system is far from perfect, but I'd really rather not lose it as the fediverse draws more people in. I would much rather have my opinion hidden on occasion because I pissed off a wasp hive than have the content I consume be filled with toxic bait that can only be hidden if a moderator gets involved.

TooL,

Ah, okay that does make a lot of sense. Poor ernest must be getting swarmed by idiots like me asking for QOL changes. Thanks for the info.

Maeve,

-6 wrt ego hits was funny. Go check out mine.

akaxaka,
akaxaka avatar

Yikes you're at -51 !

Maeve,

Yeah I annoyed some shitlibs defending lemmy.ml and I can’t even create an account or read most posts there. I basically said we Americans are as propagandized probably as much as Red-leaning countries’ citizens.

dismalnow,
dismalnow avatar

@Maeve

Earned. Youre insufferable.

Deref,

Maybe don't call them shitlibs?

Maeve,

I didn’t until the prior post.

gk99,

Either way you're being inflammatory by pointlessly generalizing political parties.

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

It's like talking to the police: the more you talk, the more you incriminate yourself. Never talk to the police.

Untitled_Pribor,
Untitled_Pribor avatar

I think I broke the system then

TooL,

Well i'm screwed then.. Cause i'm the worst kind of ex redditor. After like 10 years on that site I had maybe 2k post karma... 150k comment karma lol.

MyMulligan,

A modification of this is used when giving a deposition. You want to answer the question without giving any more information than necessary. If they ask about time you say it was after 9 in the morning. You don't say it was 9:15 because you'd just gotten your coffee and had checked your watch.

waterhouse,

I learned this during audits -- Always try to say the Minimum Correct Thing. Be honest, be precise with your language, and only answer questions that are asked.

sik0fewl,

Good question. I'm -6, too (and should be positive).

Maybe it's hardcoded? 😁

razorwiregoatlick,
razorwiregoatlick avatar

My reputation is 25 but I don’t really know why.

curiosityLynx,

Seems like you posted or commented something that got boosted/"retweeted" at least 25 times then.

skepickle,
skepickle avatar

From what I understand, currently it works like this: boost = +1, downvote = -1, and upvotes do not feed into reputation.

SpaceCadet2000,
SpaceCadet2000 avatar

Even boosting your own comments seems to increase your reputation

naoseiquemsou,
MyMulligan,

Yes. In Facebook you could always upvote yourself. I used to always do it when putting the word out about volunteer opportunities where I worked. Not sure if it truly helped but it felt good when the post began with a +2. Not sure if that's something that still can happen there. I've not used FB for much in the past 6 years.

kestrel7,
kestrel7 avatar

Unexpected Kbin W

FfaerieOxide, (edited )
FfaerieOxide avatar

Yeah, currently nothing stops a person from flooding self-boosted low-effort posts to rapidly raise their (apparent) reputation.

A single user can counter that 1-for-1 by downvoting every instance of it happening, but as "reduces" are visible the system gamer can retaliate in kind.

Two users (or one with two burner e-mails) in fact working together can currently destroy any user's points quite quickly beyond their ability to counter with self-boosts even if they wanted to.

Irrelevant, as reputation doesn't seem to do anything and we all know the system currently is flawed, but one feels we should not be able to affect our own, nor that of other users past a certain amount.

TooL,

And a boost is... what exactly? I feel like that system is going to lead to pretty much everyone being close to 0 or negative. Especially if downvotes federate between instances, as I don't believe boost is even an option for lemmy instances is it?

JollyRoberts,

@TooL

Upvote = I like this thread/post
Boost = everyone following me, here is a thing I think you should see

-ish. That's my understanding at the moment anyway

@skepickle

dune-,
dune- avatar

@JollyRoberts So it's the equivalent of a retweet

@skepickle @TooL

TooL,

I guess I didn't know there was a following mechanism here. Good to know, thanks.

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

I don't know, I will boost your comment and see what happens... I hope it doesn't open a webcam discussion where we see each others, that would be awkward.

Edit: what is this madness? I see a +1 but with no way to remove it! It's forever. Be cautious!

TooL,

The funniest part is my reputation actually went down to -7 now so.. I have no idea if boosting it even did anything.

albatros,

Clicking on "boost" again should remove the boost. At least that works for me.

PabloDiscobar,
PabloDiscobar avatar

Liar! I did it and now he has 2 boosts!

HubertManne,
HubertManne avatar

Thanks for the post. I don't usually look at things like that but last I noticed mine at -6 and it was after a rather akward free speech posting (im sorta getting tired advocating for stuff im not into on free speech grounds actually but I stick by my prinicples.) so I thought I just pissed folks off and got downvoted. I was legitamately thinking of going to another thing for my start point on federation because I was feeling the group might be to closed off for me. This makes me feel better and I learned a lot from people explaining to you in the comments.

Yewb,

I like the idea of spending upvotes to downvote

CynAq,
CynAq avatar

You got +2 as of the timing of this comment, yay!

raschy,

I feel like the reputation should probably just be hidden, unsure what the point of having it be visible if it's not a meaningful number.

tigerdactyl,

Mine’s negative too, I just assumed I made some kind of unseen, powerful enemy.

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

The reputation system is awful. It's actually enough to get me to stop using the platform, because - unless you dig in to my comment history and see the upvotes - it looks like more people disagree with me than not.

Logically I know it's untrue (and it wouldn't matter if it were), but reddit gamified both the attempt to gain popularity AND the dissemination of it. Because of that, huge numbers of people treat internet points as an actual indication of a person's value. I left reddit a long time ago, and that was one of the major reasons.

I don't want to have my thoughts on a topic discounted because of a clerical error coupled with too much emphasis on counterfeit updoots. I especially don't want to become an outcast because of a flood of downvotes from people who can't tell the difference between "someone they disagree with" and "a bad person". We're building a new community, we should take this opportunity to build a better one.

BaroqueInMind,
BaroqueInMind avatar

Why do you care so much for an ethereal reputation system that has no meaningful consequences to you in actual reality?

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

It's almost as if I just described why, in the post you're replying to...

VeeSilverball,
VeeSilverball avatar

Reputation will vary by which instance you're on because it's just a calculation of actions people have made, and those counts vary based on who subscribed to whom and when. If you're on instance B and instance A and C are talking to you, but defederated from each other, you could be +100 when looking from A and -100 when looking from C. So the score will be increasingly meaningless-looking the more you are federated.

AlexanderESmith,
AlexanderESmith avatar

Seems like a great reason to remove it entirely.

SuaveBet,

I'll give ya a boost

JWBananas,
JWBananas avatar

Also, I have a very fragile ego and my -6 reputation hurts a bit.

Good news! At the moment, reputation points are strictly calculated based on live data. In other words, if you delete the downvoted content, the negative points disappear.

Th4tGuyII,
Th4tGuyII avatar

I think the best strategy would be to have a system that shows either both your number of up and down votes, or a ratio of them, rather than just the sum of them like Reddit (sort of) does.

I feel like it'd be a lot harder to fake a good ratio with an older account, than it would be to just manipulate a total score by exploiting lurkers by reposting generic content over and over.

Th4tGuyII,
Th4tGuyII avatar

I think the best strategy would be to have a system that shows either both your number of up and down votes, or a ratio of them, rather than just the sum of them like Reddit (sort of) does.

I feel like it'd be a lot harder to fake a good ratio with an older account, than it would be to just manipulate a total score by exploiting lurkers by reposting generic content over and over.

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