What they’ve found is incredibly detailed. For example, it was determined that Stockton Rush had a fairly serious case of dandruff during the trip. .
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In email messages seen by the BBC, Mr Rush had previously dismissed safety worries from one expert, saying he was "tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation".
Seems as though he thought he was fighting against the stifling of innovation. In reality it seems he truly was unsafe and definitely should have had better oversight.
There isn't any regulation of commercial submersibles like there is for ground or air. Anywhere around the world. So the "de" of deregulation is not applicable.
Should there be regulation? Yeah absolutely, if submersibles are going to be a thing. But that's just called regulation.
i think they are trying to say this is a perfect example of where things will head if we continue with deregulating industry as republicans think we should. where your boss can say "fuck safety i wanna make more money and if a few people are killed or injured well thats the cost of doing business."
Bingo. I've been to lots of countries with far fewer safety regulations than the US, and can we please stop fetishizing the cheapening of human life and well-being for profit in the US? Please? We came out of that phase in our development for good reasons.
Exactly this. The reality is his submersible was dangerously unsafe, it’s a bit of a misconception that it was a ticking time bomb because of fatigue- that is a thing related to metallic (crystalline )structures and stress cycles-as a composite, CF doesn’t have that.
What Cameron was getting at is that with titanium and steel, it’s can be modeled very easily- and because steel has a relatively high tolerance before fatiguenstarts… they literally can engineer around it and make parts that effectively don’t have fatigue (unlike aluminum, where every elastic bend degrades it’s structure.)
The problem with composites is that they are very difficult to model. You degrade the polymer (that is epoxy) and it weakens the hull. You drop the sub on the deck, get a delaminated bit. Whatever, once there’s damage to the structure it’s done for.
CF bikes for example, used in professional bike racing are retired after a crash because there’s no way to examine delaminating off the edge, which makes them extremely dangerous to ride,
The kind of people unwilling to have 3rd party certification to do much as validate your pressure hill is thick enough is unlikely to scrap an entire custom pressure hill because some idiot screwed the monitor into it. (Or dropped it. Or noticed that there was some delam around the hatch or whatever else.)
Yes I saw in another video that monitor stands were attached to the wall somehow. Screws straight into the carbon fiber doesn't sound ideal, although I think they had some sort of internal cage structure, so it probably wasn't that bad.
If I were building a submersible, I’d have an internal fairing to allow mounting things like that, yes.
But then I’d also have included seats, and used viewport domes rated for the pressure depth…. And have someone not me give the sub a certification- because I recognize that I’m human and sometimes make mistakes.
The pressure is why I’m wondering what was survived. I mean, fire pistons are a thing- and that’s a far smaller pressure differential. They were probably flash-steamed before they ever knew what happened.
the forces involved in an implosion are significantly worse than the average person thinks. if they find anything that isn't raspberry jam I'll be very surprised.
At this point the tinfoil hat side of me wonders if this was a heist-like fake suicide scenario. None of them actually went down with the submarine. They were all sent to Cuba for reconstructive surgery and are now on their ways to new lives around the world...
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It’s what any proud capitalist would want, to have their remains monetized and sold off piece by piece and circulated like the currency they dedicated their life to hoarding, just like the Ferengi do from star trek!
How do you know they don’t? ST universe was always pretty sterile. It would be like trying to define broader human culture from looking at Sunday school- of course no one is talking about any of that…
i've been to sunday school and bible camp. first of all, weird. that was weird. that was less weird than Unitarian Universalist church camp. the sterility of Star Trek was refreshing
Actually, now that I think about it…. Didn’t Mudd get sent to prison for selling beauty pills?
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And there was the movie with Picard where people were trying to relocate an entire race to harvest rejuvenation stuff
But my point being, it’s like insisting they didn’t poop in the 23 and 24th century because you never saw them poop. Or assuming that 21st century humans are all a bunch of religious nutters-and well behaved religious nutters- because of what happens in Sunday school. Yes. Sunday school…. Is weird….
They were. There was a DS9 episode where quark was sure he was goong to die and was pre-selling his body to collectors.
They were a critique of modern capitalists just as the Klingons were of the soviets. Unfortunately modern capitalism has become such a cartoon of insatiable greed, it’s become difficult to satirize.
I read somewhere that his dad (the second richest man on the sub, pakistani oligarch family member) pushed him to go because "it's fathers day, we have to".
It's tragic that the 19 year old died, and I hope that his family can eventually cope with the fact that he got coerced into death by his own dad.
It has since been reported that Suleman Dawood was actually very excited about going on the sub, and had been previously disappointed when he couldn't go the first time the dive was scheduled because he was only 17, so his mother was going to go instead. That dive was cancelled, he turned 18, and you know the rest.
Right?! There’s innumerable dead adrenaline junkies maimed and killed all the time doing something that has a high mortality rate, by design!
Everyone’s just on pins and needles about this particular one because he’s among the global oppressor class, and we deify our greediest, most successfully sociopathic humans as somehow aspirational heroes.
But just like so many self-serving cultural views our oligarchs have pushed on us, a peasant with a death wish is crazy, a wealthy person with a death wish is eccentric.
I think it's the presumption of godhood that so many of these alarmingly wealthy individuals have that makes stories like these so morbidly fascinating.
I can feel badly for them, each in their own way... but some small black-hearted part of me is just happy that for once, the asshole making the poor decisions suffered for them.
there was another billionaire who died at a crash at a race track recently. that one is more tragic to me because theres a lot more people who that could happen to, poor people to billionaires love racing. these people died trying to feed their own ego at the cheapest cost. i get why some people might try and stretch to do things on a vacation or whatever if theyll likely never get to do it again. these people couldve paid james cameron to take them down, instead they chose stockton rush.
Dude is almost 100% responsible for the lives lost. The more we learn about all this the clearer it is that he took enormous risks and knew it but didn't care. I'm shocked this didn't happen earlier tbh.
Rich people die all the time, in hospitals. Nobody pays much attention.
The reason an imploding sub is getting attention is that sub implosions don't happen every day. There were no millionaires aboard the Kursk, but everybody was talking about it after it imploded.
Tragedies on private subs are even more rare. When non-millionaire Kim Wall was murdered aboard the Nautilus, it got plenty of attention even though plenty of other people were murdered that day.
It may seem grotesque or insensitive but this may actually be pretty interesting scientifically. I don't think there's been any recorded deaths from a sub imploding at this depth.
I want to know what they mean by presumed remains, I thought for sure they would be vaporized when the implosion happened. Like, is this a bone fragment or something? Surely there’s nothing identifiably human right?
Yes, that's what I was plenty aware of. I failed to make the connection between spam (unsolicited email) and SPAM (the Hormel potted meat prduct), which was mentioned in the parent comment.
I'm just not always on my toes, it seems. I appreciate your apt hint.
Edit: Oh, I know why I didn't connect. I was thinking of those as ways to verify a sender's identity. By that operation, a consequence is that spam is prevented, but I was only focusing on the primary function.
Probably not a lot of examples of a composite pressure vessels imploding with humans inside, so even the expert speculation may be flawed for some unknown reason.
That's been my thought as well. What, exactly, would there be? Are we talking about a whole human body? A fragment like a torso, leg, arm, etc.? My understanding was also that the occupants were vaporized during the implosion.
It's the ocean depths, not the surface of the sun.
Gas is compressible. So if you stepped into the water without any protection at extreme depth, every gas-containing part of your body would be crushed. That includes your nose, mouth, ears, throat, lungs, bowels, and most of the bones of your face.
Liquids are not very compressible. So the liquid parts of your body, like your eyes, brains, blood, and limbs, would not be affected very much. Maybe they would shrink almost imperceptibly. The same is true of the bones not in your face.
The final result would be a an oddly-smushed looking corpse, not a cloud of vapor.
Incidentally, this is why deep sea divers can swim at depth. They breathe very high pressure gas into their gas-containing parts, which thus remain inflated despite the pressure of the water.
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