As a former Texan, it’s quite difficult to vote. The work culture there makes it even harder but the state also purposely makes it as inconvenient as possible. If you’re low income and don’t have vacation time or anything like that it’s really hard to get out and vote in-person. Now I’m in a state with mail-in voting by default and Texas makes me even more sick when I saw how easy it’s supposed to be.
More people could definitely make more of an effort there, but the barriers to vote shouldn’t be overlooked imo
Colorado? I grew up here and worry I don’t know how good I actually have it. I wouldn’t know where to begin if a ballot didn’t auto-magically appear in my mailbox. The system backing it up is so good that when it doesn’t show up magically, a new one is a phone call and a short walk away.
If I don’t want to put a stamp on my ballot, I walk a half mile to drop it off
Very unpopular opionion: He’s a very good orator, even though he can’t form a coherent sentence. He gets his points across with out actually speaking them. His followers hear him on a purely emotional level and he inspires their extreme loyalty and devotion.
Yeah the last few years since Covid especially have taught me that however utterly stupid and gullible we thought people were as you said, it turns out they are WAY stupider than we ever dreamed possible. And THAT is what is terrifying to me - I already knew people were plenty dumb so to see firsthand how badly I overestimated them…
Okay while I get your point, teeechnically according to these numbers, the “average person” plus some would not support Trump. Something something silver lining?
When you consume talk radio, Facebook, and Fox News, it understandable that you would think he is the greatest President ever. He’s not, he was the worst President ever.
Some people process loss or being lied to in different ways. And some people take time to process that loss more than others.
Denial: The election was stolen!
Anger: We have to storm the capital!
Bargaining: We were just trying to protect our democracy.
Depression: Biden is just as bad. <----- Most people are here.
Acceptance: Trump committed election fraud and is going to prison for it
Though I think many MAGA folk will be stuck on depression for quite some time.
Most of them will never get to the last stage because they would have to admit that they were wrong. They would have to admit they were duped by a con man plastered in orange make up. And they will never do that. Their egos are too fragile. They are all in on the big lie.
I agree with you. Virtually everything l, even random totally trivial matters of taste/opinion come out 50/50 these days. The country is deeply polarized. For anything to come out with a 2:1 margin is a landslide. Trump is a huge loser. I just hope he stays in the race long enough to sink the Republicants.
it’s 30% if you only read the title, at the end of the article it says:
Two other polls released this week show President Joe Biden and Trump competitive in a 2024 matchup, with Biden edging Trump by just a point in surveys from Marist and Quinnipiac.
unless you check how they conducted the poll, you don’t know if either one is correct.
was it made in an university campus or at the exit of an NRA convention? those will give you wildly different results.
“This survey of 1,220 adults was conducted August 11th through August 14th, 2023 by the Marist Poll. Adults 18 years of age and older residing in the United States were contacted through a multi-mode design: By phone using live interviewers, by text, or online”
“Surveys adhere to industry best practices and are based on random samples of adults using random digit dialing with live interviewers calling landlines and cell phones.”
When the House of Representatives voted in February 1974 to give the House Judiciary Committee subpoena power to investigate Nixon, it did not have the weight of public opinion behind it. According to a poll conducted by Gallup just days before the vote, only 38 percent of Americans were in favor of impeachment. And although a solid majority of Americans did eventually come to support impeachment, that moment didn’t arrive until quite late in the game.
Of course they aren’t. That’s who they are. That’s what they like. Dems need to stop sneering and start registering voters because these fuckers are turning out.
How many of those trump cultists admit today to voting and supporting G.W. Bush? You know they didn’t vote for Gore, if they voted at all, but they supported Bush and they supported his vision to make the US the world’s police despite claiming they are against this.
Do you think the people who supported Nixon were somehow dumber than Americans are today? Functional literacy was much lower in the 70s.
There are large swathes of people who just support the status quo. Nixon being the villain in his own story is “common knowledge” now and Trump’s just stupid Nixon.
Were you alive during Nixon? I was a baby but I interacted with people Trump’s age when I was a child. I don’t know if it’s the lead in the air back then or what but more than half of all adults seemed terminally stupid. I was a child and I thought they were stupid.
We’ve clearly got a lot of people who think Trump’s smart today but Trump’s brand of gibberish was just considered “common sense” in the 80s. Social media hasn’t made us dumber, it’s just allowed the dumbest people to find each other more easily.
Regarding us all sharing the same facts when Nixon was president, that’s just not true. People lived in a very divided America then as well. Social media and the refinement of propaganda techniques does make things seem more hopeless today but the same Roger Stone who’s fucking things up today was around back then. He was doing exactly what he’s doing today back then.
The fact that the public, in the end, turned on Nixon is the REASON we have Fox News today. It’s creators were anticipating the landscape today where a conservative media bubble would isolate Republicans from the facts. It works perfectly.
Yes, I’m aware of that. This is why I brought up Roger Stone. My point is people aren’t stupider or more insular today; they are actually slightly less so.
The machinery of propaganda is much more refined today.
Also every year, 2½ million older Americans die. So in the same eight years, that’s as many as 20 million fewer older voters. Which means that between Trump’s election in 2016 and the 2024 election, the number of Gen Z (born in the late 1990s and early 2010s) voters will have advanced by a net 52 million against older people. That’s about 20 percent of the total 2020 eligible electorate of 258 million Americans.
And unlike previous generations, Gen Z votes… young people in recent years to vote more frequently for Democrats and progressive policies than prior generations did when of similar age
I guess that’s a good thing, but that % should be way higher for someone that committed treason, among numerous other crimes (as well as being just a terrible person in general.)
The answer to trump isn’t a right winger responsible for mass incarceration of black people masquerading as progressive expanding the military industrial complex and not supporting workers unions.
74 million people voted for him in 2020…which is about 22% of the population of the US in 2020. Now 36% would support him. I realize the two numbers aren’t directly comparable because only 67% of the people who could vote in 2020 did (and that was the highest it has been since 1980), but it’s still not a great feeling.
The bigger problem is that a large number of the remaining 36% will support him at all cost. (that last part is extremely important)
Those people see this as a WAR.
While everyone else is busy making some funny meme or writing a snarky comment on Twitter, those people are prepping for war. Radicalizing our youth. Stockpiling guns. Getting ready for a fight.
No. Manchin is outspokenly pro-coal, but the conservative media has convinced most the the pro-coal people in WV he is anti-coal, and he’s very likely to lose the next election. Conservative media is very good at controlling the narrative and propagandizing. We are in a post-truth age for a significant proportion of the population.
The “facts don’t care care about your feelings” crowd from a few years back sure does seem to be sensitive to facts and only give a shit about their feelings.
They see it as a war because they are finding themselves (and their ideals) in the minority and feel their voice is being taken away. I’ve heard those sentiments directly from their mouths. From my perspective, the problem is that instead of rallying being some other GOP candidate, they’ve decided to back the one who used possible criminal tactics like fake electors to ignore the peoples votes and remain in power. Something that in my opinion should amount to treason. We’re finding ourselves in a shitty situation now. Stuck between a nice old man who’s cognitive ability is fading and a man starving for authoritarian power and willing to take it at all cost. I don’t know what is going to happen, but I’m curious to see if 2020 was the beginning of the full collapse of the Republican party and what will rise in it’s ashes. A 3 party system?
I’m just being a realist. I voted for the guy but I feel like he’s too old for another term. Trump has no cognitive ability. He operates stickily on nearsighted emotional reaction with no capability to comprehend the consequences for his words or actions.
I hope a 3 party system doesn’t form. That would effectively mean the DNC would win every election. Which sounds great for exactly one election cycle, after that not so much. Power breeds corruption.
The better alternative is for the GOP to gets its act together and start trying to win elections by policy and running stuff by data. We need two functional parties and right now we have one that sorta works and the other that is eating horse dewormer.
The better alternative is for the GOP to gets its act together and start trying to win elections by policy and running stuff by data
Which sounds great for exactly one election cycle, after that not so much. Power breeds corruption.
I think it sounds great for more than one election cycle to the trans people being targeted by the GOP’s legislative genocide campaign.
The better alternative is for the GOP to gets its act together and start trying to win elections by policy
I mean we’ve seen what happens with that. They’ll cook up another single-voter-issue and choose a minority to attack. That’s their way of “winning with policy”.
I’d be fine with the DNC winning everything until a 3rd party gets established if it means we can get rid of the GOP as a major political player.
I think it would guarantee a DNC win for this and maybe the next election cycle. But I would bet that after awhile a 3 party system would spread the electorate out a little more. Maybe like a more left leaning DNC, a more moderate middle of the road party and a further right leaning 3rd party. I personally would like more options. Then again, that might make it easier for the far right to gain power. I don’t know… I’m certainly not an expert when it comes to this stuff. Just thinking out loud.
No way the US process allows for a stable 3 serious parties.
I predict the GOP falls, and the DNC splits into two parties: the establishment free-market capitalists who bill themselves as the “common sense” party, and the progressives.
GOP will absorb into establishment DNC, lose the outright homophobia and fascism and fall back to the quiet dog whistles, just enough to keep the old GOP base voting for them against the progressives.
The poll of 1,165 adults was conducted Aug. 10-14 using a sample drawn from NORC’s probability-based AmeriSpeak Panel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population.
That shouldn’t be at the end of the article after I had to click on a separate article. Poor journalistic practices.
If your point is that it’s a small sample, you’re in for a surprise - that’s about all you need to estimate something within about 3% for the US population. If they’re doing stratification and such it might be even more efficient than that.
Sample size isn’t the problem, claiming 0.0000035% applies to the other 99.9999965% is one however. All they need to do is add ‘surveyed’ after Americans and there would be no problem.
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