The GOP has a master plan to criminalize LGBTQ people

Some quotes:

“The Mandate for Leadership” is a 920-page document that details how the next Republican administration will implement radical and sweeping changes to the entirety of government. This blueprint assumes that the next president will be able to rule by fiat under the unitary executive theory (which posits that the president has the power to control the entire federal executive branch). It is also based on the premise that the next president will implement Schedule F, which allows the president to fire any federal employee who has policy-making authority, and replace them with a presidential appointee who is not voted on in the Senate.

So they’re gonna take over the executive branch.

And businesses will support and fund this effort because:

The business wish list calls for eliminating federal agencies, stripping those that remain of regulatory power, and deregulating industries. The president would directly manage and influence Department of Justice and FBI cases, which would allow him to pursue criminal cases against political enemies. Environmental law would be gutted, and states would be prevented from enforcing their own environmental laws.

And what about the social wish list?

The social conservative wish list calls for ending abortion, diversity and inclusion efforts, protections for LGBTQ people, and most importantly, banning any and all LGBTQ content. In fact, “The Mandate for Leadership” makes eradicating LGBTQ people from public life its top priority. Its No. 1 promise is to “restore the family as the centerpiece of American life and protect our children.” They are explicit in how they plan to do so, as you’ll see in the paragraph below. They plan to proceed by declaring any and all LGBTQ content to be pornographic in nature.

“Pornography, manifested today in the omnipresent propagation of transgender ideology and sexualization of children, for instance, is not a political Gordian knot inextricably binding up disparate claims about free speech, property rights, sexual liberation, and child welfare. It has no claim to First Amendment protection. Its purveyors are child predators and misogynistic exploiters of women. Their product is as addictive as any illicit drug and as psychologically destructive as any crime. Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned. Educators and public librarians who purvey it should be classed as registered sex offenders. And telecommunications and technology firms that facilitate its spread should be shuttered.”

When they talk about pornography, this includes any content discussing or portraying LGBTQ figures from the children’s books I Am Jazz and And Tango Makes Three to the Trevor Project’s suicide hotline. We know this by looking at how “don’t say gay” laws have been implemented in Florida: This is literally their model. It’s been tried in Virginia. It’s also arguable that LGBTQ parents would be subject to arrest, imprisonment, and being put on sex-offender registries for “exposing children to pornography” simply by being LGBTQ and having children.

It would also likely criminalize any therapist, doctor, or counselor who provided affirming therapy to trans youth. Indeed, the document makes it explicitly clear they want nationwide bans on abortion and access to affirming care for trans youth, while calling for conversion therapies to be the only available treatments. It could be argued as well that people who are visibly trans in public are pornographic or obscene, because they might be seen by a minor. This understanding of intent is in line with the call to “eradicate transgenderism from public life.”

There’s also the matter of the internet: Any Internet Service Provider (ISP) that transmits or receives data about transgender people could potentially be liable if conservatives have their way. When you read the final sentence of the excerpted paragraph, the clear intent is that the same would apply to any social media company that allows any (positive) discussion or depiction of transgender individuals, as it would be considered pornographic and contributing to harming a minor.

And how will they do this shit?

The organizations that drafted “The Mandate for Leadership” understand that blue states, which have sanctuary laws for transgender people, are unlikely to comply. It’s difficult to imagine California arresting and prosecuting teachers, librarians, doctors, therapists, bookstores (virtual or physical), LGBTQ parents, and especially LGBTQ people merely for existing in public. This is why they included the following paragraph:

“Where warranted and proper under federal law, initiate legal action against local officials—including District Attorneys—who deny American citizens the “equal protection of the laws” by refusing to prosecute criminal offenses in their jurisdictions. This holds true particularly for jurisdictions that refuse to enforce the law against criminals based on the Left’s favored defining characteristics of the would-be offender (race, so-called gender identity, sexual orientation, etc.) or other political considerations (e.g., immigration status).”

This is calling for the executive branch to use the Department of Justice to threaten prosecution of any local or state officials if they do not charge LGBTQ people and their allies with crimes under the pretense that they are breaking federal and state laws against exposing minors to pornography. If people at the Department of Justice refuse to go along with this, then they can simply be replaced under Schedule F. While the excerpted paragraph above includes references to immigration, the fact that it explicitly includes gender identity, and fits in with the previous calls to designate anything trans-related as pornographic, clearly telegraphs their intent.

The result of these actions will be perhaps the biggest power play against states rights in American history, and the threat is clear. If blue states refuse to turn on their own transgender citizens, then the federal government will do everything in its power to decapitate the leadership of those states using the Department of Justice. Conservatives are making the bet that individual district attorneys will not risk prosecution, and prison, on behalf of a tiny, despised minority. They’re betting that state governors will not be willing to risk both prosecution and a constitutional crisis over transgender people.

Well, fuck!

In addition to voting, what should we do about this?

UncleGrandPa,

The right has had little luck in fomenting widespread hatred of jews. They are doing better with minority hatred but in the LGBTQ community they have found the perfect victims.

And as the installation of a Fascist regime REQUIRES an identified internal enemy… they have found their scapegoats

Alwaysfallingupyup,

This is all non sense

jandar_fett,

Welp. Looks like I’m going to jail in the not too distant future I guess.

HLMenckenFan,
@HLMenckenFan@lemmy.world avatar

This document is a blueprint for genocide. Spread the word.

TokenBoomer,

Tankies are the real danger! They have books written 100 years ago, theories that they’re just waiting to put into action, and always talking about fascism and what a danger it is. Time to WAKE up and see the real threat people! /s

TokenBoomer,

Only tankies would downvote the truth.

Telorand,
Telorand avatar

Reminder that this isn't a GOP document, it's a Heritage Foundation document (right wing extremists).

They could try to follow it, but the Heritage Foundation ≠ GOP. If anything, the Federalist Society is a far greater threat, since they have tactfully and successfully infected the judiciary, and they don't even have a public manifesto of this nature.

This is certainly concerning, but it's far from guaranteed to be utilized.

mycorrhiza, (edited )
  1. The Heritage Foundation was one dozens of right wing think tanks involved in writing this.
  2. The Heritage Foundation is extremely influential and well-connected in the American right wing political sphere. They wrote hundreds of Trump’s policies, picked a lot of his cabinet, and had 66 staffers in his administration. Pence joined in 2021.
Telorand,
Telorand avatar

Yeah, I didn't express it very well, but I wasn't trying to imply they weren't a threat. They 1000% are.

It's just that plans like this presume every conservative is like them, and as we've seen even in the House, that's not the case; it wouldn't be a cakewalk

Still, it's one more example of why Conservatives (capital C) need to be dealt with soberly.

jandar_fett,

No offense, but this is oddly familiar to Circa November 2016…

I’m just saying. We should tread lightly and take it all seriously if there is evidence. They’re counting on slinging so much shit at the wall that we won’t be able to tell what is credible as a threat and what isn’t.

Telorand,
Telorand avatar

Gish galloping: the favorite tool of bad actors.

TwoGems,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

Are you kidding? The heritage foundation is the GOP. They work so in tandem that they even write bills for the GOP. And we even have federalist society judges now on benches that rule in favor of the GOP. It was the end goal.

Stoneblackdog,

What the fuck.

regalia,

They are just objectively evil. This is so villain plotting to take over the world type shit. They are openly becoming more and more like Hitler.

Stinkywinks,

Cut off their heads

mycorrhiza,

hell yeah

Burn_The_Right, (edited )

There is no such thing as “a good conservative”. No. Such. Thing. They are posturing for genocide. Pacifism cannot stop them, as it has never stopped a plague of conservatism in the past.

Do your part. Train and prepare, physically and mentally. Teach your children why we don’t do business or hold relationships with conservatives. Speak openly about the deadly threat of conservatism.

Exclude all members of the hate group to exclude the hate.

ganove,

Funny how US conservatives sound like muslim fundamentalists.

Zombiepirate,
@Zombiepirate@lemmy.world avatar

Fundamentalism is merely a way to disclaim responsibility for the obviously terrible things that conservatives want to do.

See also: “originalism”

regalia,

That’s dumb as fuck. Imagine having a regular conversation at work with someone, they just casually mention something conservative, and then you act like a socially incompetent weirdo and fell them they’re posturing for genocide. You’re not going to look like the sane one here, and this would have the conservative looking normal.

If you want to say there’s no good conservatives, you need to be consistent. This is when you need to realize you’re far too deep into the echo chamber and lost all contact with normal every day people. When you start imaging this behavior in normal every day scenarios with regular people that have little understanding of politics, you’ll realize how unhinged the behavior you’re proposing is.

TotallynotJessica,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

What do you mean by “casually mention something conservative?” Maybe they’d say something like, “you and my son should start a pro life group at your school” assuming I’m also conservative and pro life. This actually happened to me growing up, and needless to say, I stopped spending time with that kid. He always treated me well as did his mother, but I couldn’t get close to someone that was in favor of banning abortion.

I didn’t let them know in the moment where I stood. You don’t need to immediately turn into a weirdo or call them out, you just need to stop associating with them. The funny thing is that was during my more enlightened centrist phase, and even then I knew that shit was unacceptable. Women deserve to choose, and no true friend would want to take away someone’s rights like that. That’s what the previous poster probably meant. That behavior isn’t unhinged, it’s called having a moral compass. Damn straight we should apply our politics to everyday life; life is political baby.

regalia,

What an incredibly privileged and sheltered life. Tell me how I know you’re the uptight guy people avoid. You completely misunderstand the whole point that like 90% of the people don’t understand politics and just repeat what’s in the environment around them, they’re regular ass people you have zero empathy for. You’re falling on deaf ears immediately treating these people as inferior.

TotallynotJessica,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

It isn’t my job to change everyone’s minds and get them to rethink the shitty things they’ve been taught. However it also isn’t my job to just accept bigotry and hatred, especially for someone as vulnerable to it as I am. I get that if you’re a neurotypical cis het white man you can just ignore the consequences of conservatism, but people like me can’t.

I’ve spent my fair share of time with bigots and edgelords, and you know what? They may put up with you for a time, but eventually their prejudices turn them against you. They’ll make jokes at your expense, and those I can handle, but when things get serious, when there’s an actual disagreement or conflict, they’ll see things like your race or sexual orientation as a weakness that makes you inferior to them. I have plenty of empathy for people who don’t know any better, but when someone could see you as less of a person than them, as a toy they can play with, that’s hurts.

regalia,

You are intentionally being bad faith at this point. I’m talking about your average everyday reactionary who’s a blue collar worker and is just repeating what they hear around them. I’ve stated that multiple times now. You’re equating that with a hateful gop politician that is following every culture war and republican narrative. They are not remotely the same, and you’re straw manning this so you can play victim instead of having a normal conversation.

TotallynotJessica,
@TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

An uninformed blue collar Republican might not have the same blame that a GOP politician has, but that doesn’t mean they don’t contribute to that terrible politician being in office and being able to oppress people like me. I genuinely wish I could give everyone in America the knowledge I have so that they can make more informed decisions about who to support, but I haven’t found a way to do that yet. Go figure.

The big issue is that the ignorant Republican voter is a threat to me, even if they don’t have the same culpability for their actions as a well educated Republican. I don’t want to damn that person to hell or send them to prison, but I will do what I need to do to protect myself. A great amount of the harm and bad things that happen in the world are caused by people who don’t know any better, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t prevent them from doing those things with reasonable force. It’s not about punishing people or making people who do bad things get what they deserve. Punitive justice is overrated, but we still need to get some form of justice in reducing harm and preventing bad things if possible.

Burn_The_Right,

instead of having a normal conversation.

Pretty sure she’s the one having the normal conversation in this thread. You might find better traction for your hate and gaslighting over on GAB or NAMBLA or where ever conservatives are hanging out these days.

regalia,

What a toxic reply, and no I’m completely right if you have ever left the house.

rfaelens,

That is what we need! To ensure our kids do not talk to anyone with opposing viewpoints, so they are never challenged in their current way of thinking. Maybe teach them how to have an open and civilized difference of opinion? And maybe learn that yourself? USA is in this shit because of radicalisation from both sides, a demonisation of one group vs the other.

jandar_fett,

Wheeling out the Both Sides argument here of all places, huh? Tone-deaf much?

Falmarri,
@Falmarri@lemmy.world avatar

Really, there are still “both sides” enlightened centrists? How do you even put your clothes on in the morning with your level of brain damage?

TwoGems,
@TwoGems@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly.

Centrist: Oh! I sure can see the point of the Republican side that wants to: genocide trans kids, vote against school lunches for kids, protect child marriage, make women slaves and who knows who else, and do literally nothing to fix the economy.

Reva,

Liberal democracy has successfully convinced people that all political opinions are somehow equally valuable and worth protecting, as if political opinions were similar to favorite color, food preferences or support of a sports team.

In reality, political opinions and their consequences decide over who is starving and who is not, whether there is war or not, whether humanity will survive or not.

There is no such thing as someone I respect who I politically disagree with. Politics is a matter of life and death. I do not agree to disagree with someone who tortures LGBTQ kids. I want them dead. There is no civilized difference of opinion with advocates of genocide. They are to be removed.

regalia,

Talking to someone with opposing views doesn’t mean all views are valid. Basing your entire comment off of a bad faith straw man.

mycorrhiza,

Yeah pretty much. The only exception I make is for people who are ignorant or haven’t thought things through. Some can be persuaded when you explain the issue to them, as long as you carefully step around any mental firewalls they’ve developed. But when reactionary politics are an outgrowth of someone’s shitty character there’s not much you can do.

Franzia, (edited )

### can you do about it besides voting?

  • Get the word out online and to friends and family about this & other unpopular con policies - federal abortion ban, KOSA
  • Get everyone registered to vote. Educate young / new voters. Use mail-in voting, early voting, help with voting for the disabled and elderly, and understand where your voting locations are.
  • Understand third party spoilers such as No Labels, which wants to take votes away from Biden.
  • Understand arguments against Biden that keep voters “Undecided”
  • Consider phone banking and other direct action campaigns for the Democratic Party or their PACs.

We can avoid an immediate plunge into Fascism in America by getting more people in key swing states / districts to vote for Biden.

Reva,

I am sure if more people would have called their senator in 1932 Germany it would have been entirely avertable.

Bernie_Sandals,

Oh so you’re planning on going out and leading the revolution tomorrow? Oh you aren’t? Until you do just please shut the fuck up.

RGB3x3, (edited )

For anyone that wants to read the whole PDF, you can find it here:

https://thf_media.s3.amazonaws.com/project2025/2025_MandateForLeadership_FULL.pdf

The rhetoric just in the Forward is frightening, disgusting, and dangerous.

We MUST vote for the Democrats if we’re going to maintain any semblance of real freedom for everyone and not just conservative white people.

JustZ,

These people are terrorists.

mycorrhiza,

voting for Democrats is nowhere near enough to put a stop to these efforts

RGB3x3,

It’s literally the only thing we have right now. Organizing a protest (we need to eat the rich) the size we need is a pipe dream.

It’s voting fascism or democracy. It shouldn’t be a controversial choice.

mycorrhiza,

no one here is saying it’s a controversial choice. But I disagree that it’s the only thing we have right now, and if we choose to only vote and do nothing else then I think we should be sober about what we expect to achieve that way. Voting alone led us to this point.

Nightwingdragon,

The only way I would even be remotely worried about this is if Trump wins the election, gains control of both houses of Congress with at least 60 senators, and retains a 6-3 majority on the Supreme Court (Thomas and Alito could easily die of old age or poor health in the next 18 months). And if we’re at that point, Project 2025 will be the least of our concerns.

This entire spiel assumes that Congress is just going to by and do nothing. It assumes that there wouldn’t be thousands of legal filings across the country tying this shit up in courts for years filed before the ink on the EO is even dry. It assumes that at least some in the MAGA crowd won’t realize that the leopard will eventually look at them as a meal instead of an ally. Yes, our country is in rough shape right now, but not that rough. There really does come a point where the saying of “you’ve made your decision, now let’s see you enforce it” comes into play, and as traditionally conservative as the military is, I can’t see them being in favor of that.

Project 2025 is a right-wing fever dream and nothing more. It’s scary to think if it were actually put in place, but the entire manifesto assumes that opposition is going to just roll over and die en masse at every step of the way, when recent history has shown that even some of the Trump devotees have a line in the sand that is too far even for them, and this would go way beyond that.

mycorrhiza,

you’re “not even remotely worried” about the fact that one of the two parties that rules the country just wrote a 920-page plan to “eradicate LGBTQ people from public life”? Whether or not they manage to actually do it — and I don’t find it as far-fetched as you do — they want to do it. They wrote a serious plan to do it. Maybe it won’t be you getting criminalized, but it will be someone. Florida already passed a bill allowed the state to seize trans children from their parents. You’re not even remotely worried?

astronaut_sloth,
@astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz avatar

The fact that this is even being contemplated is insane. And let’s be clear, it’s not a far leap from “eradicate LGBTQ people from public life” to “eradicate LGBTQ people from life.” God knows that a lot of those chuds will not see the difference between these statements and start vigilante killings for “being obscene” in public. Truly the stuff of nightmares.

Like @Nightwingdragon mentioned, it will probably get held up in implementation, but that’s my only solace in this because that could cause a whole host of other problems.

mycorrhiza,

the “first 180 days of the presidency” part of the plan might get held up, but the general thrust of the project is going to trickle down like water through a sieve. It might not hit the country in one fell swoop but it’ll hit, some places more than others. I see it the same way I see the lead-up to the holocaust: an effort to scapegoat a minority group and divert the outrage of a downwardly mobile middle class away from wealthy capitalists. They’re determined, they have a motive, and they have financial backing.

astronaut_sloth,
@astronaut_sloth@mander.xyz avatar

Absolutely! What I find most terrifying is how anyone with a functioning brain can see the progress already made in this goal. Then that coupled with this plan is just the stuff of nightmares.

I thin you’re right that it will trickle down and be worse in some areas (re: red states) than others. I can only hope my blue state remains strong.

jandar_fett,

Never forget that the president of the United States was pitting red states against blue states and withholding life saving PPE during A PANDEMIC.

jandar_fett,

Yeah. I really need some historians and experts on fascism/authoritarianism to chime in, because this right here is a compelling analysis.

Emma_Gold_Man,

You appear to be underestimating Democratic politicians’ willingness to roll ovei and play dead. The last 40 years or so of their past performance don’t make this a very promising argument for not worrying.

elouboub, (edited )
elouboub avatar

They were pretending to be afraid of the "gay agenda" when we had to be afraid of the conservative agenda. These guys are nuts.

This reads like a copy of the steps taken by the NSDAP in Germany in the 1930s

Burn_The_Right,

Oppression and genocide are the natural results of unchecked conservatism. Always have been.

meyotch,

Run for office. Help someone else run for office. Be visible. Express your concerns clearly, frequently and openly to the well-meaning people in your life who don’t quite get it.

Be gay in public. We are entering an era where that may get one beat up or killed again.

I mean, how seriously do you take this threat and what are you willing to do to stop it?

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