ShittyBeatlesFCPres,

Imagine how out-of-touch you have to be to represent San Francisco and not realize sincere antiwar protesters exist.

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

Here is my completely nonpartisan hot take. We should pass a constitutional amendment that ties the maximum age to hold public office (including judges) to the Social Security “Normal Retirement Age” at the time of passing. That is currently 67 years old. You can do whatever you want past 67, but you can’t hold public office.

xtr0n,

Do you want them to make the retirements age 90? I’d rather not give those assholes a perverse incentive to reduce benefits.

JoMiran,
@JoMiran@lemmy.ml avatar

I did state “at time of passage” but we might as well say “at time of drafting” to avoid shenanigans.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

What difference will that make? Also, what happens if/when life extension/age reversal becomes an everyday thing? Government regulations often move at a glacial pace, why fix something in place now that will be hard to remove when it’s completely irrelevant. We are even still saddled with the stupid EC and the idea that states all get 2 senators, no matter their population size. How long would it take to remove a rule like this that quickly becomes obviously ridiculous in the near future?

Zaktor,

Young politicians will always have an incentive to consider raising the age limit. This isn’t a system that leads to irreversible change when and if the time arises where the limit is no longer appropriate.

Sl00k,

In a lot of a states you can bring forward laws to ballots that amend the state constitutions with enough public signatures. I think in our modern day lack of a useful government officials we should use this tool far more often to attempt to ensure a healthier government.

takeda, (edited )

Aren’t you actually proving her point?

You’re saying that among protesters there are sincere ones.

A call for investigation means that there is a belief that among sincere ones there are also insincere ones trying to spin shit up.

Edit: of course downvotes. It isn’t even a secret mei.edu/…/essential-questions-about-russia-hamas-…

Silverseren,

If she was calling for both pro-Palestine and pro-Israel protest groups to be investigated for potential monetary ties to Russia, then I'd consider her claim to be more valid.

hark,
@hark@lemmy.world avatar

It’s no secret that there are corrupt politicians either. I think we should investigate this ghoul and her financial ties to supporting genocide first before we use the secret police on citizens expressing a desire for peace.

moody,

It also implies that anti-war protesting is something that is problematic and should be looked into. Or, rather than being pro-Palestine is wrong, and that it’s a sentiment that has to be caused by foreign influence.

jimbo,

Enough with the Hamas sideshow bullshit. You don’t have to be a Hamas supporter to be upset that Israel is indiscriminately killing Palestinians. At this point, anything Hamas did on 10/7 pales in comparison to Israel’s response.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

You’re 100% correct.

Zorque,

It's an easy way to silence people you don't want to hear. Someone who believes there's sincerity in the sentiment doesn't start off with: "For them to call for a ceasefire is Mr Putin's message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see."

It doesn't really matter what you justify it with afterward, you're still essentially saying opposing "war" in Gaza is supporting Putin.

beardown,

She represents San Francisco’s billionaires. She has nothing to do with people making median incomes.

So in her world, support for Israel is a universally shared opinion

Having said that, it is in Russias interest to highlight the very real genocide in Gaza. By demonstrating the obvious hypocrisy of the Western “rules-based” order, they will make it easier for Russia to commit further atrocities in Ukraine. And for China to invade Taiwan. And America’s ability to credibly resist those efforts will be diminished - after all, the US enabled Israel’s genocide of the Palestinians despite international condemnation, so who is America now to object to the murder of Ukrainians or the annexation of Taiwan?

Binthinkin,

Put her to bed. Her legacy is shit. How many bills have you passed that never got enforced Nancy that wound up getting you and a bunch of dipshit Republicans rich? How much more are you going to shit on the youth with your limp dick Catholic degenerate bullshit? Fuck her. She’s so clueless and useless.

TserriednichThe4th,

She is right

crystalmerchant,

These fucking dinosaurs just don’t get it, do they? They come from a time when Israel and the US were blood brothers, one and the same, when it would be unconscionable for the American public to have any other view than carte blanche 100% support for Israel.

Now that view is finally (slowly) changing but they’re too old and come from too different of a world to realize it, or if they do realize it (they have plenty of smart people working for them) then they just don’t grasp the changing tides

MrModule,

It sounds stupid but she’s right. The new crop of loudly political “Protesters” is fueled by a Right Wing astroturfing campaign to get people to throw away their vote this November. The Right Wing is a huge, global group of rich and powerful dickheads who are slowly but surely taking over control of all the world’s governments, and this is gonna be the next one, because all you kiddos can’t pay attention long enough to realize that you’re getting played RIGHT NOW.

reverendsteveii,

I’m voting for Biden in November because I know that he’ll be better for this issue (and every other issue) than Trump and I’m still calling for a ceasefire because what’s happening in Gaza is wrong and evil. Sorry I don’t fit in your box.

TokenBoomer,

You should let the families of the 30,000 dead Palestinians know they are being played by the vast right wing cabal.

RememberTheApollo_,

Shouldn’t we also investigate pro-Israel defenders for Financial Ties to Defense Contractors?

webghost0101,

I need someone to ely5 how to get to this conclusion.

"For them to call for a ceasefire is Mr. Putin’s message. Make no mistake. This is directly connected to what he would like to see”

How? What does he gain from it?

I bet he loves how she just added fuel to more devision.

thecrotch,

One would think Putin would have more to gain from it expanding into a regional conflict which the US/NATO get dragged into

paddirn,

Not that I think she has ties to Russia, but really the FBI needs to be investigating members of Congress for ties to Russia.

linearchaos,
@linearchaos@lemmy.world avatar

And probably a number of governors…

blahsay,

Lot of rage in the comments. Surely the easiest thing is just to investigate them and prove her shamefully wrong?

I never thought they were paid by Russia till I saw this chat brigaded.

crypticthree,

Surely Nancy is arguing in good faith. She certainly wouldn’t just throw this out into the news to create a narrative that plays into her agenda without any intention of actually investigating

FooBarrington,

I’d be completely fine with that, as long as all pro Israel-protesters are also investigated.

beardown,

That would be useless. No US investigation of Israel would be remotely fair, and no wrongdoing, if found, would ever be shared with the public

FooBarrington,

Good point. It would have to be an independent organisation - South Africa seems like the best choice.

beardown,

The ICJ’s current case of South Africa v Israel re: the Gaza genocide is an example of one such “independent” examination. However, while better than most alternatives, the ICJ is still largely under the control of The West - as is evidenced by its history of cases, and specifically, by its history of consistently ignoring certain bad acts by certain Western states. To say nothing of its very coincidental selection of its judges

For example, Joan Donoghue, the current ICJ president judge, is a career United States Department of State diplomat. Aka, she has spent her career as an agent of The West at the very highest levels, and now is the president judge overseeing the current South Africa/Israel genocide case. Hardly a fair hearing - imagine our reaction if the president judge of the ICJ was a career Russian or Chinese state depth official - how would that affect our perception of such a “court”?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joan_Donoghue

beardown,

“Surely the easiest thing is to let the police search my home everyday to prove them shamefully wrong.”

After all, the only reason anyone would ever object to any investigation or search is if they have something to hide. Surely it can’t be because they rightfully see most government investigations as outcome predetermined fishing expeditions.

blahsay,

Wow people really don’t want these protestors investigated for foreign interference.

Very worrying.

FooBarrington,

Hello, I suspect that you’re paid by Russia to sow division. Please send me your personal information so I can start an investigation into any potential financial or personal ties you might have to Russia. If you don’t have anything to hide, you should just let me investigate you and prove me wrong.

Maggoty,

That is almost worse than her take. It’s bad that she said that, but like are you actually a Russian?

reverendsteveii,

post your email address and password or you’re a paid russian troll. surely it’s easier for us to just investigate you and you can prove us shamefully wrong.

mydude,

rUsSiA!

agitatedpotato,

What an utter bitch. Your finances are the ones that should be investigated.

FenrirIII,
@FenrirIII@lemmy.world avatar

Sadly, she’s following the rules that she and her colleagues made. That’s the worst part

beardown,

Following the rules has no relation to behaving ethically

The rules weren’t given to us by God or any moral authority - they were written by lobbyists and trllion dollar corporations. Aka, entities whose self-interest is radically opposed to that of a normal American

reverendsteveii,

What an Unusual Whale. In a market that averaged just under a 25% return in 2023 Pelosi managed to get 65%. Surely this has nothing to do with the fact that she and her close colleagues are in charge of regulating industry and allocating government money. It’s just that she’s an extra smart and talented trader. And so are a lot of her colleagues. Like, a lot lot. Beating the market is the only thing Congress is good at.

TokenBoomer,

Brian Higgins is killing it.

Anti_Face_Weapon,

You guys are getting paid!?

Agent641,

Yeah, but in roubles. May as well be monopoly money.

Maggoty,

I am once again waiting for my Soros Check. Is there a helpline I should call?

ButtermilkBiscuit,

Turns out you don’t need to get paid to support Palestinians, you just need to not be a huge piece of shit!

Wild I know.

Ensign_Crab,

Pelosi is just saying that opposition to genocide means you must be Russian, which is what I keep hearing from pro-genocide centrist Democrats on lemmy.

I don’t get why those same centrists are turning on her.

beardown,

She’s obviously corrupt, as evidenced by her investment history. And her recent actions come off as overly performative and tone deaf, like when she kneeled while wearing a Kente cloth. Aka, she has bad aesthetics, and neolib voters only see politics through the lens of aesthetics

More importantly, it’s probably true that Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments moral standing. So they very likely are boosting both pro Palestinian and pro genocide messaging to accomplish that goal.

TserriednichThe4th,

Exactly.

All these contrarian takes telling pelosi that she is wrong when iran and russia admit to this manipulation is insane.

I have to been on lemmy in weeks and wont be for many more.

This network is a cesspit

TokenBoomer,

Source for Iran and Russia admitting this?

RaoulDook,

Russia is involved in spreading inflammatory propaganda on every side of every hot button issue in the United States. Their goal is to divide us and to erode our establishments

Exactly, everyone should be realizing this by now. China, Russia, Iran, and more are all probably doing this all of the time, because they have seen how effective it is to destabilize our democracy that they fear. People’s basic brain processes are drawn to the inflammatory news, and social media algorithms promote these things to get views because it makes them money. It all rolls up together into a giant ball of shit that’s crushing everything that’s good.

beardown,

Yeah exactly. Which in no way negates the fact that there is a very real genocide being carried out by Israel with the support of the United States. That is true and is real and needs to be stopped.

But it is in Russia/Iran/China’s interest to exacerbate tensions on all sides of such a genocide, including by generating and boosting inflammatory social media content that is seen by Americans. A consequence of which is that a record number of Americans are seeing Israel’s actions for what they truly are, which is good - but this is not being done for remotely altruistic reasons

TserriednichThe4th,

There is no genocide lmao. If israel wanted to, Gaza would be gone tomorrow.

beardown,

“There is no genocide - if Germany wanted to, the Jews would be gone tomorrow” - You, in 1935

Silverseren,

Shouldn't we instead be investigating the politicians currently in office that we have a really good reason to believe have a monetary tie to Russia and have a mountain of evidence of being coerced or controlled by them due to said politicians' past actions (going to a secret meeting to Moscow on July 4th, ect)?

Ensign_Crab,

No, no, no. We have to capitulate to them.

MrModule,

Yep, but we won’t, because they’re paying people to pose as leftists supporting Palestine in order to get all the others riled up on that cause using half truths. This drives the attention towards the left (the primary intention of Right Wing propaganda). We can’t ever change this until people stop being afraid to admit the truth about the Right Wing.

Grant_M,
@Grant_M@lemmy.ca avatar

Excellent and necessary.

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