noxy,
@noxy@yiffit.net avatar

who the fuck is the “grey lady”? Never heard that before

silence7,

It’s a nickname for the New York Times.

Telodzrum,

It’s been the nickname of the Times for over a century.

corsicanguppy,

Sorry the NYT’s centrism isn’t left-leaning enough. But, that’s kinda the point.

silence7,

When Republicans and Democrats disagree about whether it is sunny or raining, I don’t want a news outlet to split the difference; I want them to look outside and see what’s actually happening.

FontMasterFlex,

shocked pikachu you mean the media is slanted and not honest? who could have known?

MedicPigBabySaver,

It’s not even good toilet paper.

beefbot,

Well not since they fired Judith Miller for lying about the Iraq war

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

This is why I always LOL when some far right (or some kind of “moderate” NPC) person starts up with the “liberal media” in reference to the likes of NYT.

Seriously, people need to POINT and LAUGH at such things being taken for granted. Exactly how is NYT in any meaningful way “liberal”?

hamid,

The one thing that communists and conservatives have in common is that everyone they don’t like is a liberal

Quadhammer,

What’s even better is that liberals are usually right. Source: am liberal

alekwithak,

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  • Quadhammer,

    I’m pro liberty. Hope that helps

    SchizoDenji,

    And they don’t like democracies.

    TotallynotJessica,
    @TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world avatar

    They are in fact liberal, just at the other end of the spectrum to what right wingers mean.

    LSNLDN,

    I’m sorry, no mention of the following re genocide in Gaza?

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=piDVPUicgKo&t=1358s

    Fuck that rag

    ikidd,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    The place that Judith Miller called home is a cesspit of misinformation and bias?!?

    This is my complete lack of surprise. I have no clue why anyone takes the NYT seriously.

    silence7,

    The problem is that they have huge distribution and much of what they publish is in fact an honest attempt to get things right

    WldFyre,

    Judith Miller who worked at Fox News after leaving NYT? Damn that’s scathing, what does Shapiro think of NYT??

    ikidd,
    @ikidd@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe you want to look into the damage she did in her tenure at NYT.

    WldFyre,

    Wait so she was a part of the problem? That also doesn’t sound credible smh

    homesweethomeMrL,

    The premise of the article is that no one here was alive and could read in 2016.

    Yeah. NYT is effectively a pro-trump spin machine. No shit. So is every other corporate news sewer hole.

    silence7,

    A lot of current voters were too young to vote and not paying attention in 2016.

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Like 15%, sure.

    Minotaur,

    The Wordle people have a journalism outlet???

    silence7,

    Games like that are a key part of how they pay to run the news outlet.

    kometes,
    @kometes@lemmy.world avatar

    I save my hate for Joel and whoever does Connections.

    8000gnat,

    hey now James Burke is a treasure

    kometes, (edited )
    @kometes@lemmy.world avatar

    Connections is a New York times puzzle in this context

    Pringles,

    It took me a while to start solving the connections, but now I’m disappointed when it is too easy.

    Maggoty,

    Lmao it’s pretty good too as long as you remember it’s class aligned to the wealthy.

    Minotaur,

    You really do have to get into the mindset of a yuppie NYC writer who went to Brown to get the full experience

    b3an,
    @b3an@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe this isn’t the place for this but, I do pay for their website, and some stuff is quality. However, even as a paid user, I’m subjected to CONSTANT, and I mean CONSTANT aggressive ‘upgrade’ offers. I was even thinking to post to mildlyinfuriating about it. I did the math a bit back and it was something like every 3-4 days since 2022 that they send me emails pushing me to upgrade from their least expensive plan. Not to mention forcing me to reject it anytime I clear my browser cache and have to re-log in. Also when I’m on the site I’m subjected to it. It’s frankly disgusting. When it comes to marketing they are only marginally better than Condé Nast 🤮🤮🤮

    silence7,
    b3an,
    @b3an@lemmy.world avatar

    I appreciate the detailed link, but I do understand profit chasing. They’re just super aggressive about it. 🫠

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    Weird. I’m a paid user and I’ve never once been encouraged to upgrade anything.

    I’ve got just about the lowest pay option too, so you’d think I’d be a prime target.

    I use the app and a desktop browser (but with adblock). Where do you see them?

    Purplexingg,

    Yeah I don’t get anything either. I normally always just try to cancel when my subscription is up and they offer me an even lower deal than normal, like $1 per month or something.

    gAlienLifeform,
    @gAlienLifeform@lemmy.world avatar

    Would’ve been nice to have people speak up about this when they were spreading lies about trans kids, or WMDs in Iraq, or Iran Contra, or any of the other million and two instances of them abusing their position to protect the powerful and oppress the powerless, but yeah, the New York Times sucks. Not as bad as a Wall Street Journal or a Fox News, but they’re just as stupid and shallow and sensationalist as CNN, and definitely below reputable outlets like NPR/PBS and the Guardian.

    That all being said, this poll was likely pretty accurate considering it parallels what a bunch of others are saying (archived)

    A day after Democrats dragged a New York Times/Siena College poll that showed the president falling 4 points behind his likely Republican opponent, former President Donald Trump, in a general election matchup, Sunday brought an additional three major surveys also showing Trump leading amid broad and deep dissatisfaction with the incumbent.

    Catoblepas,

    Don’t worry, the democrats are going to turn this around by telling you it’s your fault for being unhappy with them! 🫠

    captainlezbian,

    Yeah. They are the news of the New York coastal elites. That’s not to imply that New Yorkers are elitists, they are, but this isn’t the random New Yorker who thinks they’re better than some bitch in Cleveland. They’re the newspaper of the sort of people who the left hates having to share a party with. The ones who would rather discuss “the trans issue” with “respected academics” like Janice “eradication” Raymond and Ray “doesn’t believe in bisexuality” Blanchard than with actual trans people even philosophers and academics like Natalie Wynn, Janet Mock, Julia Serrano, or even the late Leslie Feinberg. These are the people who get whipped up into frenzy and go to war because capital was attacked and still are uncomfortable praising John Brown’s methods. They’re the ones who will say they resisted all they could while kissing asses and risking nothing, but occasionally wagging a finger and tutting, but if it comes to socialism or barbarism they will always choose barbarism and blame the socialists for their choice.

    dejected_warp_core,

    Thank you. My first impression was: “wait, do these guys side with capital and leave it at that?” I suppose that’s nothing new, but it stings a little to see it displayed so openly.

    John_McMurray,

    Y’all need to vote for Trump this year so we don’t have to do this again 4 years from now. He’ll have hit his 2 term limit and will simply retire to his estate.

    AbidanYre,

    No

    John_McMurray, (edited )

    But…think of the memes…and Jon Stewart was retired for some fucking reason last time. It’ll be the funniest show in the history of forever…If Biden wins Stewart will just retire again. You don’t want that, do you? The last guy replaced him sucked. Maybe Colbert will start being funny agai…no nevermind, that didn’t happen last go round.

    Captainvaqina,

    One thing is for sure, you’ll never be funny.

    John_McMurray,

    Enjoy the next four years.

    Captainvaqina,

    I will enjoy the next four years with President Joe Biden at the helm.

    He will win as he is the only candidate that isn’t a verified thieving lying traitor rapist.

    John_McMurray, (edited )

    Lol. It’s cute you think that’ll prevent anything, or that Biden is clean.

    AbidanYre,

    I’ll take Last Week Tonight and no Trump over Stewart Daily Show and president Trump, thanks.

    John_McMurray,

    All yall have the comedic sense of modern colbert.

    Iamgoatcheese,

    Bold of you to assume Trump would limit himself to two terms and step down at the end of four years.

    John_McMurray,

    Y’all need you sarcasm detectors repaired, if you wanna survive the next 4 years.

    dejected_warp_core,

    Respectfully, you need to work on your sarcasm. Your comment didn’t have enough hyperbole to clock for most people.

    Should full-throated support for Trump qualify as hyperbole, especially on Lemmy? Yes, but the reality is that isn’t the first time we’ve seen things that read like genuine support around here.

    CharlesDarwin,
    @CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

    Or hand it down to one of his failsons, Uday and Qusay.

    UnderpantsWeevil,
    @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry, we replaced all the actual journalists at the NYT info desk with Ross Douthat, a junior officer at the IDF, and six copies of the latest ChatGPT software.

    assassin_aragorn,

    This is a great article. I was skeptical at first, because I used to consider the NYT one of the best journalism outlets in the country. But the author here does an excellent job of laying out the evidence for why I get more and more of a bad feeling from my former gold standard.

    The polling issues are just inexcusable and nonsensical. Their sample seems highly unrepresentative of the population, to the point that it makes me wonder if it was on purpose.

    ArbitraryValue, (edited )

    I don’t think there’s a conspiracy at the NYT, at least because they’re never going to pass as a conservative organization. Pessimism about Biden won’t change that.

    My guess is that, like many people, they’re panicking in slow motion. It’s hard to maintain your composure when you think your nation and your way of life are seriously threatened, but then things look worse when you panic.

    mozz,
    @mozz@mbin.grits.dev avatar

    I don't think there's a conspiracy at the NYT, at least because they're never going to pass as a conservative organization. Pessimism about Biden won't change that.

    The New York Times is absolutely a conservative organization. They supported the Iraq War including with an infamous series of articles that included, more or less, outright fabrications. They along with the rest of the mainstream press shit relentlessly on people like Ron Paul and Bernie Sanders whose wild popularity among voters is due to him being much better-aligned with their political views, in opposition to either the center-right or the far-right-sorta-Nazis that are the two choices that exists in modern Washington. I haven't looked at their coverage of Gaza but I'm sure the viewpoint it begins at is horrifying.

    I like Biden and I like the New York Times. But in most places in the world they'd be a conservative paper. It's only because the Overton window has shifted so, so far in this country that they're considered as some kind of liberal bastion because they occasionally report the truth instead of slavishly fawning over the leader like some kind of Belarusian hack.

    ArbitraryValue, (edited )

    I think if you define mainstream Democrats as center-right, then by that standard the NYT would indeed be a conservative organization. However, that’s beside the point - even if you call it conservative, it’s still clearly an organization that does not support Trump. Some doom-and-gloom about Biden won’t change that reputation, especially since he’ll get their official endorsement. (They haven’t endorsed a Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower in 1956.)

    goferking0,

    So then yes they are as the democratic party is 100% a center right party.

    Just because they don’t support trump doesn’t have anything to do with if they are a conservative organization

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