sentinelthesalty,

Yeah, turns out people cant disagree with you, if you kill them.

KillingTimeItself,

i mean, that’s one way of putting it.

Rivalarrival,

I think those numbers are low. I think people were confused. While everyone knows them as indispensable vehicles of egalitarian social progress, guillotines are technically tools of violence.

FiniteBanjo,

Violence is a problem and a division, but once certain folks try it I can imagine how it would solve itself.

Kuvwert,

Of that 1 in 5… How many are MAGots

FiniteBanjo,

Of the total surveyed 20% said “strongly agree” that violence might be needed for course correction, for Republicans specifically it was 28% and for Democrats it was 12%.

https://lemmy.today/pictrs/image/d4ee2fc6-fbd7-4c96-a61b-895c76a03759.png

FreakinSteve,

That one in five are violent radical fascists, and the other four are weak leftist pussies waiting to be slaughtered.

You had better fucking arm up and train.

bradorsomething,

Every one of those people imagines the violence happening to groups they don’t like, and not to them and the groups they like. Always remember, both sides thought the civil war would be over in one battle.

Crashumbc,

Yup, they also think their handguns are a match for the US military.

Someone should ask them how fighting an advanced military is working out for Hamas right now.

nonfuinoncuro,

I mean the Afghani and Vietnamese probably have a different answer. Also Hamas is still alive.

Rivalarrival,

Which is why the violence won’t be conducted with handguns, but with guillotines.

RememberTheApollo_,

You making any assumptions on which side the military will choose, or that it won’t have an internal rift?

John_McMurray,

“Guerilla warfare is ineffective and governments have never fallen to their own people ever”. You. That’s what you sound like.

Crashumbc,

When is the last time a modern advanced country fell to a group of it’s own population?

I’ll wait…

Anything is possible, its just EXTREMELY unlikely. Just look at WWI and WWII, Resistance groups. Closest would be maybe IRA but they never got close.

And the US government has unprecedented spying powers now. The power disparity orders of magnitudes too great. But you keep spouting your “armed insurrection” nonsense to make yourself feel better.

If the US falls it’ll be to Trump or someone like him gaining power. Read up on how Hitler took over Germany. History repeats itself…

John_McMurray,

It’s easy to be smug when you have the memory of a fly i guess.

Crashumbc,

Good bye smooth brain

MataVatnik,
@MataVatnik@lemmy.world avatar

Anyone who believes this should be put in a thunderdome and the rest of us can pay to watch

Rivalarrival,

The Jacobins believed it.

5in1k,

I think some low level violence would make people more polite. Workers should be able to slap crazy customers and such.

Starkstruck,

If we mean the 1%ers? Yeah violence would start solving that issue.

Shadywack,
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That figure is probably higher if we talk about gutting rich people. We might even get unity on that instead of divisiveness. I get a MAGA republican in the same room as a democrat and we start talking about wasting rich people, they often start acting like friends.

I’m hoping we can realize who our common enemies are so that we don’t get into a civil war.

bashbeerbash,

I feel bad for conservatives. In the, odds are stacked against you, kind of way.

They Would rather hand over their country to billionaires than share it.

They Would rather vote to give socialism and more hand overs to those billionaires, while destroying the middle class which actually made america great. They are Destroying the American Dream they claim to be Saving.

Actually fuck them conservatives. Easy to fool idiots helping Russia and China and Saudi Arabia.

John_McMurray,

Which conservatives are these again? The fascists that want to have no government or the fascists that want control ceded to foreigners?

HelixDab2,

Unironically yes, sufficient levels of violence will solve US divisions.

Anyone that thinks that they genuinely want this though has never lived in a country going through a civil war.

Everythingispenguins,

If anything happens it won’t be a civil war. There is no good geological line to use as a point to start. It will be much more akin to the Troubles of Northern Ireland. Which may be honestly worse.

HelixDab2,

The biggest difference would be that there isn’t an outside country that could or would step in. The US military would probably end up being divided, as many of the upper officers take oaths of loyalty to the country and constitution seriously, while a number of the enlisted people are much more partisan.

We’re already seeing the beginnings of low-level terrorism, with threats of assassination against judges and other gov’t officials. Mostly–almost exclusively–from the political right. It’s not much of a step from there to actual violence.

Gaspar,
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Or they lack a shred of empathy and/or imagination.

I’ve never lived in a country going through civil war, but I don’t have to do that to tell you that it’s not something I want ever.

BleatingZombie,

I agree. “Sufficient” is a lot more than people would ever want to see

trafficnab,

Yeah, the ammo box is literally the fourth box of democracy after the soap box, the ballot box, and the jury box, but it’s only to be used when the other three have failed

At the end of the day, might makes right, so we better make damn well sure the side we believe in has more of it

tigeruppercut,
Landslide7648,

Ah yes, we can see in Libya how well this worked out

brlemworld,

Violence meaning guillotines

maculata,

I must admit that executing the entire Trump base would improve the US immeasurably.

OccamsRazer,

Uhh… Haha?

KillingTimeItself,

you are correct, that would be an immeasurable stat. That is in fact true.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Removed, advocating violence.

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Oh no, the country founded by 1%ers who don’t want to pat taxes, and built on I disk burial grounds, is full of crazy violent assholes?

I’m shocked!

We aren’t Russia (yet), so we must keep trying to facilitate the change we so desperately need.

Imo. That would be switching away from first past the post voting in favor of an alternative voting system like Ranked Choice.

FreakinSteve,

You STILL think voting and working within the system will fix this problem?

KillingTimeItself,

a wise man once said the only solution more dignified than war, is communication.

FreakinSteve,

That doesn’t work against a highly organized system of oppression. That wise man never got a seat of power to abdicate itself through reason or begging.

KillingTimeItself,

which is why it’s the first thing you do. And why war is the last thing you do.

FreakinSteve,

So here we are. 40 years later.

KillingTimeItself,

you forgot the part where it doesnt work.

FreakinSteve,

Every step forward has been through violence. It has worked every time. All of our rights came through acts of violence. Asking for them has never, ever , ever worked.

KillingTimeItself,

we said “yo stop fucking ruling us nerds” and they went “lol ok, but only if you beat us in war” and then we did.

I mean to some degree, you aren’t wrong about violence working effectively, that’s definitely accurate.

FreakinSteve,

It worked great in France too, and still is. Every time the fascists try to take rights away, the French people mutilate Paris again, and it works.

Also women’s suffrage, gay rights, civil rights movement (yes, it was under THREAT of violence, not nonviolence).

It’s simple: you cannot beg power to abdicate itself.

KillingTimeItself,

though to be fair, i don’t believe war and violence are the same thing. War is an excuse to commit violence, violence is sometimes the result of attempting to gain rights.

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