Burn_The_Right,

In the DNC boardroom: “What can we possibly do to help Trump so we can go on vacation again? Ooohh! I know! Let’s go in halvsies on a genocide!”

theodewere,
theodewere avatar

“Winning isn’t everything, it’s the only thing.”

-- Vincent Thomas Lombardi

BubbleMonkey,

No, cmon, please, living through significant impactful history is exhausting. We don’t want to do it anymore. Please just stop.

GottaHaveFaith,

Congratulation! You have selected

Third once-in-a-lifetime economic crisis

BubbleMonkey,

That gave me minor heart palpitations…

Because I don’t have it in me (literally) to give more… 😟

Fucking hate some board games… 🙂‍↕️

Hazzia,

“The Game of Life” did not prepare me for any of this shit.

Where the hell did all the lucky spaces go

TheBat,
@TheBat@lemmy.world avatar

9/11 and it’s aftermath

Subprime crisis

Pandemic

We’ve already had three.

gravitas_deficiency,

And don’t forget that we’re in the middle of getting a new Cold War going, what with Russia and China’s strategic plans for the near to mid-term future conflicting with what pretty much everyone else in the world is planning.

talentedkiwi,

We’ve had three yes, but what about 4th crisis?

<Insert meme here or something>

Ultragigagigantic,
@Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world avatar

Capitalism is the most efficient way to allocate resources (to the 1%)

wide_eyed_stupid,
@wide_eyed_stupid@lemmy.world avatar

“May you live in interesting times.”

Nobody,

If Biden starts a war with Iran, he needs to drop out of the race. He won’t possibly be able to win.

The options for Dems will be to find another candidate or throw their support behind Bobby Kennedy. Otherwise, it’s Trump.

WamGams,

Nahh, I would say 90% of us here will be voting for Biden.

Will some be stupid enough to vote for a Bobby Kennedy? Maybe? But I suspect a vast minority.

Nobody,

Again, IF Biden starts a war with Iran. That makes him unelectable. Name a Democrat who can beat Trump.

Otherwise, it’s Kennedy or Trump.

WamGams,

I’m getting the impression you want Biden to start a war with Iran. Nobody legitimate is claiming that is on the table.

TropicalDingdong,

I mean, except Iran… and Israel (and by proxy through Israel the US).

Wars not just on the table, if it goes that way, the first strike will have been conducted by Israel (with US backing).

Other countries aren’t delusional about the US’s relationship with Israel the way Biden apologists seem to be.

WamGams,

So you think Iran and Israel are going to draw Biden into a war so that he loses the election, and the left should react to this by… Voting for Kennedy?

It is sad that a lot of leftists here sound indistinguishable from Steve Bannon in their geopolitical goals.

TropicalDingdong,

Your tired argument is costing us the election. We haven’t even had a convention yet. We can nominate someone else other than Biden.

WamGams,

And when Biden wins reelection, what then? Do you post here admitting you were wrong?

TropicalDingdong,

At this point its becoming a question of beating Trump or supporting Biden.

Its seeming more and more like you’ll have to pick.

WamGams,

Well I mean, the majority of polls show Biden beating Trump. Not a single poll shows Kennedy beating Trump or Biden.

Forgive my saying, but it’s clear to absolutely everybody without an agenda that you don’t know the first thing of what you are talking about.

TropicalDingdong,

Well I mean, the majority of polls show Biden beating Trump. Not a single poll shows Kennedy beating Trump or Biden.

The fuck are you talking about? Biden hasn’t been leading in the polling in over 400 days.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/48a81ff8-3173-4b66-b4ee-a2c899054406.png

YOU are the one who clearly doesn’t know what they are talking about when their first claim can be immediately dismissed.

Biden is in unelectable territory at this point. He needs to be at 51-54 to be winning confidently and in the 55+ range to have this thing on lock down. Sub 45 and he’s a disaster. He’s was dipping into the 30s last month. Thats a trainwreck. Now he has moved up a touch since the SOTU, but his positions on Israel are costing him this election.

You actually need to get a clue.

WamGams,

This is an unsourced photo, and appears to be more than a month old.

Do you have more context to provide so I know what I am looking at?

TropicalDingdong,

Its not a month old, I made it yesterday. The data is from 538. Link here: projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/…/national/

You are an actual fool.

WamGams,

I’m a fool for asking you to provide context on an image?

I thank you for correcting my mistake, but I’m not sure why you think unkindness is the path to a Kennedy victory, especially when your own sourcing shows his candidacy is a joke.

TropicalDingdong,

I didn’t suggest that voting for Kennedy would result in a victory.

My argument is that Biden is has basically lost the election with his policy choices. Trump out performs his polling, and you need to overperform due to gerrymandering. Biden needs a significant polling lead going into November to overcome these barriers.

I think Bernie could step in (He’s old AF too at this point but at least he isn’t hiding from the public like Biden is). I think Jon Stewart could be recruited. I think Gavin Newsom could win. I think Jay Inslee could win. I think Gretchen Witmer could win. I think Nina Turner could win. Fuck, at this point, Hillary fucking Clinton might actually have a better shot than Biden (that last one is a bit tounge in cheek).

We’ve got options, and we haven’t actually had a convention yet. Biden said he wouldn’t run for a second term during his 2020 campaign. My highest priority is not having another Trump presidency. I don’t think western Democracy will survive.

I think, strategically, allowing Biden to take the fire for his shitty positions and polices while running another candidate would make a ton of sense. I also think Biden is too arrogant to step down, but by not entertaining other options, we’re basically guaranteeing failure.

WamGams,

I apologize, I think I had you pegged wrong.

TropicalDingdong,

No worries. Thanks for the conversation.

Nobody,

Why would I want Biden to start a war with Iran? Israel is about to ramp things up and his support is ironclad. The US joining an Israeli war against Iran is a legitimate concern.

WamGams,

Where are you getting reports that Israel is ramping up for direct war with Iran?

Everything I have read has said neither side is approaching further escalation at this time. Perhaps you have intel that hasn’t made its way to open source yet?

Nobody,

www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68812884

I know outlier blogs like the BBC are generally disfavored, but at least hear them out.

The risk of escalation in the Middle East is very real.

WamGams,

You linked to an op-ed piece, not a journalist piece. Not your fault though. BBC needs to be a lot better at differentiating.

Nobody,

I can’t link to classified intelligence to provide ironclad evidence. This isn’t the war thunder forums.

The risk of a wider war developing in the Middle East is a very real risk. The fact that you won’t acknowledge that shows you argue in bad faith.

WamGams,

Of course its a real risk, I just think trying to spin it so that Biden is at fault before it happens is nakedly partisan.

Nobody,

If Biden attacks Iran, he is at fault for starting a war. He’s the commander in chief. If he doesn’t attack Iran, he’s not at fault, because he did not start a war.

I don’t understand how that’s complicated.

WamGams,

Biden told Netanyahu he would not be involved in a direct war with Iran, so unless Iran attacks the US directly, Biden should be fine.

Ensign_Crab,

Biden told Netanyahu he would not be involved in a direct war with Iran, so unless Iran attacks the US directly, Biden should be fine.

Well, except for the votes he’s already losing by supporting Netanyahu’s existing genocide.

WamGams,

Why are you changing the subject instead of responding to what I said?

Ensign_Crab, (edited )

We’re talking about Biden losing votes if he starts a war with Iran. He will not lose the votes that he would have lost if he started a war with Iran, but he is not “fine.” He is still losing votes by supporting Netanyahu’s existing genocide.

If you don’t like hearing that genocide is unpopular, you need to hear it.

WamGams,

You boys want to see 2 million dead Palestinians and a war with Iran?

By all means, help Trump get back into office.

Ensign_Crab,

Biden should stop supporting genocide if he wants to win. He is losing votes because he supports it.

You would rather support genocide and lose than abandon genocide under any circumstances.

WamGams,

I think you are the one who supports genocide, not me, but okay.

Ensign_Crab,

Wouldn’t be the first time this thread you’ve decided that opposition to genocide is support for genocide.

WamGams,

If you find it acceptable to make such accusations against people with no regard to truth value, why should that behavior not be directed back at you?

When will you stop supporting genocide, ensign?

Or do you want to actually make an attempt at having a respectful conversation? Is that something you are capable of?

Ensign_Crab,

When will you stop supporting genocide, ensign?

I’ve never supported genocide.

WamGams,

Then are you going to engage in an adult conversation instead supporting genocide and deflecting by accusing others?

Because I am going to mirror your behavior here. The ball is fully in your court.

Ensign_Crab,

I do not support genocide. If you want to talk about deflecting by accusing others:

By all means, help Trump get back into office.

This is you, deflecting from me saying that Biden will lose if he continues to support genocide by accusing me of being a trumpist.

WamGams,

It isn’t deflection to point out the person you are ensuring Biden loses to supports genocide more than Biden does.

My stating that also doesn’t make me pro-genocide. A person who isn’t a coward would apologize for stating such a thing.

Ensign_Crab,

It isn’t deflection to point out the person you are ensuring Biden loses to supports genocide more than Biden does.

Saying that Biden will lose if he continues supporting genocide is not support for Trump.

My stating that also doesn’t make me pro-genocide.

You accused me of being a trumpist because I dared to say one of the reasons why Biden should stop supporting genocide.

A person who isn’t a coward would apologize for stating such a thing.

A person who isn’t wrong doesn’t need to.

WamGams,

Again, it is cowardly to claim people support genocide and not apologize when it is a lie.

You clearly are not capable of adult discussion, so to the block list you go along with other liars and cowards.

Ensign_Crab,

I love how centrists think announcing that they will no longer pollute your inbox with their disgusting genocide apologia is somehow a negative thing.

DancingBear,

You are being intentionally and obviously obtuse.

DancingBear,

Hmmmm, maybe that last week they bombed the Iranian embassy in another country?

distantsounds,

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  • SkyezOpen,

    Same here, but if he does start a war he’s going to lose a lot of swing voters. A year ago I wouldn’t have thought trump would pose a significant threat in the election, but holy fuck biden is absolutely dropping the ball on Israel. This is his covid.

    distantsounds,

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  • EmpathicVagrant,

    Yup, this is Charlie Kelley pointing out a pile of shit and stepping in it on purpose.

    Nobody,

    There needs to be a debate.

    distantsounds,

    i remember when that was normal. It was also a time when the media would also hold people accountable for their bullshit (or at least try)

    Burn_The_Right, (edited )

    Hear, hear! If even just so we can have a backup candidate in case he drops dead of old age at the last minute.

    Fuck being polite about this. HE chose to run in his 80’s. We should be allowed to talk openly as a nation about a backup plan because he is at the end of his expected life span. Otherwise we are going to let another octogenarian fuck us over the way RBG did.

    Semi_Hemi_Demigod,
    @Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world avatar

    BUT November is a long way off and voices need to be heard

    This is why I voted for Dean Philips in my state’s primary

    RedditWanderer,

    You think the conservatives won’t start a war with Iran?

    That makes both side “unelectable”. So you scratch that off for both sides and keep looking for other differences. Like separation of church and state and reproductive rights.

    Ensign_Crab,

    You think the conservatives won’t start a war with Iran?

    No one said they wouldn’t.

    Biden will lose enough votes to lose the election if he starts a war with Iran. No one here said they would be voting for Trump, just that Biden would lose votes.

    RedditWanderer,

    When you don’t vote, you essentially give your vote to the person you want the least; that’s fundamental to FPTP. It doesn’t matter if you don’t directly vote for Trump in the current political system, what matters is you didn’t vote for Biden.

    You can try to change the voting system, but while you’re in it this is the way to play. Vote Biden in and protest the shit out of his day to day.

    First past the post explained (6:31)

    Ensign_Crab,

    And I didn’t say I’m not voting. I’m voting for Biden.

    I said Biden will lose votes if he starts a war with Iran. I did not say “Gee, I want another smug centrist to ignore what I’m saying and lecture me about shit I already know!”

    Centrists don’t listen.

    itsonlygeorge,

    Why can’t we replace Biden with Bernie instead? Kennedy is a nut job.

    APassenger,

    I’d like to vote Bernie in the general. I’d like it better about 8 years ago.

    He’s 8 years older than he was then. I think that’s part of why he doesn’t run. He wants the younger generation to take it up.

    I really hope they do. The current set of democrats risk allowing the Republicans to get a solid foothold across demos that, normally, wouldn’t be as split.

    some_guy,

    Fuck Israel.

    kolektiva.media/…/ba1cb5b0-521f-4aee-9334-bd5ab1d…

    Donate to legal funds for those who get captured by police on April 15th or get your ass to a demonstration. This needs to stop.

    distantsounds, (edited )

    Aiding genocide is a bad look
    Edit: who would have thought that statement was controversial

    Ensign_Crab,

    This community has a lot of pro-genocide centrists.

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