Any way to listen to music (privately?)

I’m going insane. I cannot for the life of me find a suitable way to listen to music privately. I’m on iOS, and I don’t know whether to just stick to Apple Music or give up on music in general (I tried, TRIED to go local, but all the apps are shitty). Any way to listen to music and not have your data compromised? Should I just stick to Apple Music and hope that laws change (maybe something like EU’s DMA?)

Edit: Hey all! First of all, thank you so much for all the recommendations! I’ve discovered so many great apps and tools I didn’t even know existed (and it has also brought my hopes up for privacy in general). Even though it’s still not perfect, I’ve been using foobar2000 on iOS, downloading music I find (I’m still using Apple Music for discovery, but will probably stop when my subscription ends this month). For desktop I’m using HyperPipe, which although a little buggy at times is so awesome! One thing I do miss about this system is the lack of lyrics. Apple Music has such a beautiful UI when it comes with lyrics, but you can’t have it all when it comes to privacy it seems. Thanks for the amazing discussion! I’m so far loving Lemmy ;)

Xirup,

I’ll be honest, the only way to listen to music privately is to download it. (And using an opensource music player)

There are Github repositories with CLI programs to download complete Spotify playlists with Youtube and also download their metadata.

TheAlchemist,
@TheAlchemist@lemmy.ml avatar

Any opensource music players for iOS you recommend? I found Flacbox which seems alright (a little buggy but you can’t win them all, can you?)

adespoton,

I just use the Music app. With the privacy protections turned up and Apple Music disabled. All it does is ply my aac files without sending data back to Apple.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

I’m not sure that’s totally true. The iOS ecosystem is very intertwined. It’s possible that the Music app isn’t sending data to Apple, but it is likely sharing it with whatever Apple calls the launcher, which likely shares it with Apple (or shares it with Siri or another app, which shares it with Apple).

ForestOrca,
ForestOrca avatar

VLC - https://www.videolan.org/

aman25ta,

Its not opensource as far as i know, but i use documents5 (or 6 now?) by readdle and its been p good for music

Zetaphor,

I wrote a few scripts to automate this entire process for me:

zemmy.cc/post/25500?scrollToComments=true

merde,

there are also CDs and vinyl 🤷

CarlsIII,

Whoa, you can store music on CDs? That’ll save me a lot of bandwidth!

carloshr,
@carloshr@feddit.cl avatar

This. There was music before the internet.

metaStatic,

something brilliant I've found with modern vinyl is a lot of them come with a download card so you can get lossless files.

now if they would just fucking advertise which ones that would be great.

shortwavesurfer,

Have a copy of all your music and use syncthing if apple allows it that is. Otherwise get a deegoogled android running grapheneOS

TheAlchemist,
@TheAlchemist@lemmy.ml avatar

Getting/syncing music isn’t really a major problem for me, a decent audio player (with minimal features such as a queue and a decent UI) is what I’m trying to find.

ForestOrca,
ForestOrca avatar

VLC?

I feel like all the answers are so far beyond what I do. Basically VPN to Invidio.us, record with Audio Hijack, put on my phone, and play on VLC. Curious what all the elite privateers think?

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Why vpn you invidio.us? Why not directly? Invidio.us acts as the middleman to yt anyway, right?

E: autocorrect correction.

nus,
@nus@mstdn.social avatar

@01189998819991197253 @ForestOrca the gateway to the middleman to yt
but if you don't trust the instance, then you vpn to it :undefined:

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

You’re right. I assumed trust in the instance, but should never assume that. Of course, by using a vpn, you’re assuming it is trustworthy. I guess you gotta trust someone somewhere, at least enough to hop to the next stone.

nus,
@nus@mstdn.social avatar

@01189998819991197253 To be online, you totally do. :undefined: Adding extra layers helps a little bit I think.. after all, the VPN can't see exactly what video you're looking at, and then the Invidious instance can't see where you're really located...

ReversalHatchery,

Why record with an app? Some invidious insurances allow downloading. There’s a drop-down menu on the video page.

ForestOrca,
ForestOrca avatar

Right, if dl'able then no need to record. I was trying to list my method in the most general sense.

Grouchy,

Setup a Koel instance at a host of your choice. Upload your music to it and stream from that. See koel.dev

TheAlchemist,
@TheAlchemist@lemmy.ml avatar

This looks really promising, thanks!

hellfire103,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

If you want a streaming service, you could try HyperPipe. It’s an alternative frontend to YT Music. There’s also BeatBump, but it doesn’t really work.

If you wanted to go local (which I recommend), have you tried foobar2000? It’s proprietary, but I trust it and it does its job very well. No ads, no data collection at all, and it plays just about every audio format you’ll normally come across (apart from MIDI files). You can also customise it with skins, sync over FTP, and play internet radio streams.

CapgrasDelusion,

For whatever it's worth, I self host Beatbump and it works just fine for me. HyperPipe is perfectly fine too, I just happened to find Beatbump first and haven't found the need to switch.

TheAlchemist,
@TheAlchemist@lemmy.ml avatar

First of all, I love this thread as I keep finding new stuff I’ve never heard about. HyperPipe is awesome and it eases my anxiety that there are still private options for music. For foobar, the iOS app is pretty snappy, though it’s missing a queue feature. A feature as simple as that is kind of a deal breaker for me. Any hope that there’ll be future updates to the iOS app?

hellfire103,
@hellfire103@sopuli.xyz avatar

AFAIK the app is still maintained. I could put a feature request in on the forums.

RVMWSN,

I don’t think you should expect any privacy on an Apple device

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Im on a Jailbroken iPhone with all Apple network requests blocked with AdGuard and no Appleid.

blitzen,

Honestly, I’d trust a vanilla iPhone over that hacked together mess you’ve got going there.

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You may be right if you are not as concerned about privacy and being able to not rely on the App Store for everything. I can install any app that is not in the App Store. Ex: new encryption laws come out like in the UK and all Matrix clients are removed from the App Store. I can still download them because I don’t rely on the App Store.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Any way you could share the guide you used?

TheAlchemist,
@TheAlchemist@lemmy.ml avatar

+1 would really like to know more

jvrava9,
@jvrava9@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

How to Sideload apps, How to Jailbreak, Jailbreak Megathread. AdGuard Pro .ipa. My Blocklst Lists. The lists are Very aggressive, I suggest you to maintain a Whitelist. For getting apps without an Apple ID, check out some sources, repo’s and telegram channels Here.

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Awesome! Thank you!

BearJCC,

It’s pretty pricey but I enjoy MusicFab

leraje,
@leraje@lemmy.world avatar

I self host Ampache and have Sublime Music on my desktop and Substreamer on my Android device.

CynicalStoic,

I buy music from 7Digital and Bandcamp, store the files on Plex Media Server and use PlexAmp for playback on my iOS device.

Compactor9679,

IOS device… Hahaa is not private

CynicalStoic,

Yeah it was more the music storage/delivery solution. No mobile device is private.

Compactor9679,

You kidding me? GrapheneOS

kick_out_the_jams,

I don't think he was highlighting the iOS part of his setup.
The original poster was asking about iOS anyway.

Gutless2615,

Gotta pirate it unfortunately. Buy it on band camp and support the artists directly, then host it yourself. Navidrone works great.

Zorque,

Do people not just download music anymore?

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

I'm 26, and don't know anyone, myself included, who purchases and downloads music to any significant degree. Essentially everyone I know just uses streaming platforms.

Zorque,

Sounds terrible for privacy.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

Respectfully, I think you may be drastically overestimating how much average people care about that.

Zorque,

Well, considering the community this discussion is in...

And, respectfully, the average person doesn't seem to give much of a fuck about anything other their own base desires most of the time.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

Sure. But the question you asked was "Do people not just download music anymore?", and the answer to that question, which you seemed unaware of, is "Not really, no".

Do enjoy your highly refined and elevated desires, O noble one.

JubilantJaguar,

How to undermine one’s own comment with a gratuitous insult.

Juno,

Wow, they got your generation good. I’m over here listening to flac files and mp3s I ripped in 2003.

SomeAmateur, (edited )

Part of my job is traveling by air, so I got a $30ish sandisc mp3 player with a 200+gb sd card. I have a bunch of music and sometimes podcasts on there. Saves my phone battery, has zero ads, and as a bonus it has fm radio for surfing the stations below as they fade in and out every minute or so.

Blizzard,

He didn’t say anything about purchasing…

mishimaenjoyer,
mishimaenjoyer avatar

to be fair, to buy albums off sites like bandcamp, cutting out greedy multinational media conglomerates and give the money to the ppl actually working on it (yeah, i know, fees, welcome to distribution) and getting basically every (losslees/hr) codec in return for "name your price"-conditions makes it questionable to pirate some indie album to save like three bucks.

shotgun_crab,

This is always surprising to me. I can understand streaming video due to their high file sizes, but audio (even FLACs) is a lot smaller in general. The only reason I use spotify sometimes is to discover new stuff.

InFerNo,

I have my music library that I listen to, to which I add songs by getting them from youtube (it’s good enough for my cheap on the go earphones). Sometimes I tune into radio stations that offer nonstop music (like stubru tijdloze).

HumanPerson,

I use a jellyfin server plus finamp for ios plus totally legal downloaded music that was 100% legally obtained.

harsh3466,

+1 for Jellyfin with Finamp (or Fintunes). Also what I use and it’s fabulous.

Lord_McAlister,

What kind of psychopath uses Amazon music? Like I’m already appaled people would use apple music, Amazon music just seems mental…

ScoobyDoo27,

Of the 3 listed, Apple Music is by far the best. And yes, I’ve used all 3.

Aatube,
Aatube avatar

Apple Music has very good quality, packs some value, a very beautiful and intuitive UI (if you like apple design which I do), all the features you would expect, and a large selection. I also don't get Amazon though

Zetaphor,

If you’re able and willing to self-host, I’ve developed a pretty great system that automates my entire process. The app I’m using on mobile is also available on iOS

zemmy.cc/post/25500

SubArcticTundra,
@SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml avatar

VLC for iOS?

guyrocket,
guyrocket avatar

I still buy CDs. And back then up to play in my truck. And rip them.

I still think OWNING media is a good idea. No privacy issues at all.

LazerDickMcCheese,

Always this, never let physical copies die. They can’t revoke shit legally bought and personally archived

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

Vinyl has gotten so big at this point (and is also extremely profitable relative to streaming), that it's not in any danger at all.

guyrocket,
guyrocket avatar

Vinyl is damn expensive.

BraveSirZaphod,
BraveSirZaphod avatar

Hence it being extremely profitable.

guyrocket,
guyrocket avatar

You're not wrong.

mp3,
@mp3@lemmy.ca avatar

Most of the stuff I listen to isn’t mainstream and the band are on Bandcamp. It’s great being able to buy the FLAC version right away.

kick_out_the_jams,

https://daily.bandcamp.com/features/bandcamp-fridays-update

it's worth noting that the first friday of each month they usually forgo their cut so more money goes to the artists.

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