lauren, (edited )
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During the engineering work for the supersonic Concorde in England, "Thunderbirds" TV series creator Gerry Anderson was visiting the main facility one day. Someone asked him what he did for a living. Feeling massively outranked by all the engineering talent surrounding him there, he quietly replied that he made children's TV shows. Asked which ones, he mentioned Thunderbirds.

Within minutes he was surrounded by Concorde engineers who wanted to talk to him and shake his hand, many of whom told him it was his shows that had inspired them toward engineering careers, because they wanted to actually build the planes and rockets he had in his series. He was flabbergasted.

The original Star Trek had a similar effect on many career choices.

Now of course, TV mostly inspires people toward careers as lazy bums or crooks.

happyborg,
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@lauren The Big Lebowski was such an inspiration to me, your dudeness 🤦‍♂️

upbristol,
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@lauren I suspect that many of those engineers might have been at least as much inspired by Fireball XL5.

KI5SMN,

@lauren

Star Trek was the sort of thing that inspired me to pursue a lifetime of work with computers and computer programming. In my childhood, it was devoured alongside Apollo

Because of Star Trek I learned that more than anything else, my mind, logic, and proper methods of reasoning were the most powerful tools at my disposal

To this day Star Trek and it's descendants in the narrative tend to occupy more television time in my family than just about any other source of video entertainment

lednabm,

@lauren

I disagree with the last point, as a general observation.

tumbleweed,

@lauren I dunno, I've heard similar stories from some of the actors on Strange New Worlds.

juneussell,

@lauren I enjoyed this post right up to the grumpy old bloke conclusion.

lauren,
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@juneussell You know, years ago the networks ran shows like "Watch Mr. Wizard" and "Discovery" which were pure science/education, and a long series of Leonard Bernstein teaching concerts in prime time (which are quite remarkable to watch even now -- he was a genius and wonderful teacher even if reportedly a pretty awful person). Are there any equivalent serious teaching programs aimed at children now from the major networks? A few on PBS of course, but a vast torrent of fake "reality" shows focusing on crime families, mass murderers, "aren't we rich?", gang bangers, "cooking" contests and ... the like. An occasional light flaring in the darkness doesn't mean it's still not night.

juneussell,

@lauren Your post was about Thunderbirds, which wasn’t overtly educational, and Star Trek, which wasn’t for kids - the point it made, which I loved, was that you just never know and can’t foresee what kids are going to latch on to. There’s plenty of good stuff still being made: I love these for eg https://www.ted.com/watch/ted-ed , though with a lot more of everything available it may not be as foregrounded.

And there’s always been plenty of crap

ChrisMayLA6,
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@lauren

Or has caused courses at with the word 'forensic' in the title to be over-subscribed

rusk,

@lauren for me it was the A-Team. I used to watch it for “the plan” at the end 😊

lauren,
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@rusk That was an unusual series, though of course it got taken over by personalities (e.g., Mr. T).

rusk,

@lauren I ain’t gettin on no plane wit no crazy fool

elmadagdale,

@lauren As my favorite character when I was growing up might say, It's only logical.

Old_IT_geek,

@lauren Unless you watch the Expanse

anne_twain,
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@lauren I first read that as "lazy bums or cooks" which is also true.

wh0sthatd0g,
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@lauren The great science communications of today are on YouTube. They haven't disappeared (in fact there's more than ever), they just moved.

lauren,
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@wh0sthatd0g Some of them on YT are great, some of them are incredibly irresponsible.

Tomsprints2,
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@lauren @Peternimmo
Not very far from where I live, there is a school which has its “Enterprise Centre” housed in part of the site named “The Kirk Building”.

HessenSousa,

@lauren you are right. Back in the day TV Series promoted ambition.

FortiterGames,
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@lauren My granddad was an engineer on Concorde. No idea if he was there during that visit but it is something I’d love to think he did 😂

colincogle,
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@lauren Or, people will aspire to become cooks who get told off by Gordon Ramsay and go on to have decent and mediocre careers.

danielquinn,
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@lauren don't sell the current crop of television too short. is both beautiful and inspiring, and , while weak in a number of places for adults, is really great for getting younger people excited about space travel and ideals like the Federation.

Galletasalada,

@lauren glad I read the whole post so I could remove my fav star, lol. You know that most of the media you get recommended is based on things you personally chose to watch in the past, right?

lauren,
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@Galletasalada Don't think I understand your point. And as I've worked inside Google, I do have a pretty good understanding of how YT recommendations work at least.

Galletasalada,

@lauren So you understand well that you're being recommended shows that depict "lazy bums" and "crooks" because that's what you've been watching before. I find that "lazy bums" and "crooks" are actually not useful categories and people who are labeled as such are usually some of the most upstanding members of their communities around.

lauren,
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@Galletasalada Ah, I'm not even talking about YT or recommendations in this instance. I'm talking about all the fake "reality" shows about rich bums (and I will use the word bum) living it up doing nothing but partying, and all the shows glamorizing organized crime, criminal gangs and murderous thugs, and other similar professions that get all the big ratings and that I studiously avoid watching on any channels or streaming services.

Galletasalada,

@lauren You do realize that the entertainment industry is an industry though, right, and that they’re selling a product that people are consuming? Most writers have faith in their audience, they believe they are adults who can see a fictional character partying or doing crime (which does not work the way in real life as how it’s depicted on TV) without wanting to engage in this behavior themselves. It sounds like you maybe haven’t done much examination of the social categories of “criminal gangs and murderous thugs” but I guess everyone has to come to that on their own. Have a nice day.

lynnedubois,

@lauren

My kids (30s now) loved Thunderbirds. It was a rerun when they watched but made a come back. They even had toys available.

lauren,
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@lynnedubois Merchandising was a big part of Gerry's innovations. There were also lots of related product commercials in the UK.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntf9C6adZkI

GordonIsenburg,

@lauren

Inspiration is an individual aspect, & cannot be predicted.

Many scientists labored to their death in obscurity only to have their principles become the foundation of science as we know it.

If they had only known that their ideas would become stepping stones leading to the uplift of humanity, they would have been as shocked as Gerry Anderson.

Triggering genius in those around us. That is not the province of linear beings, but it should be in the back of our minds teaching children.

astroPug,

@lauren

I think we are lucky to have our story tellers who inspire us. Star Trek continues to have that effect on me, especially as an example of people collaborating, mentoring, and problem solving in the workplace.

I would say media still inspires us today though. We will hear what the kids in twenty years will say.

PeterPractice,
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@lauren I loved that show! Are Go!

MaybeMyMonkeys,

@lauren lazy bums and crooks were so inclined before they watched TV

your_huckleberry,
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@lauren stop watching TV for adults and start watching tv for kids. My kid wants to be a scientist/inventor because of The Octonauts and Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs (fair warning, both shows are simultaneously great and really bad).

shansterable,
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@lauren
Gerry Anderson's UFO series is outstanding. I only discovered it as an adult, but I can see how influential it could be for young minds to digest.

lauren,
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@shansterable UFO is quite an interesting series (apart from having one of the highest energy openings of any show of the era). It also was probably one of the darkest series ever produced. Aliens coming to Earth to steal human body parts? Yeah, OK. And Straker is one complex and nasty character. And purple wigs, courtesy of Sylvia.

shansterable,
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@lauren
The opening sequence is a masterpiece. Sylvia's costume designs are primo! Yes, a dark-themed series punctuated with cheeky sexual references. I own the whole series on DVD.

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