killick, 7 months ago

@Strandjunker
"There is one law for rich and poor alike, which prevents them equally from stealing bread and sleeping under bridges" - from Jo Walton's book "Farthing," but I think it's a translation from another work.

NoctisEqui, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker

Succinct and true. This is the first time I’ve heard it put so well. I hope it becomes painted on walls, made into memes.

rebel63, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker re: fines for speeding offenses

1. for a long time now, technology exists to remove the ability to speed, via GPS & speed governors. The fines exist as a means to garner unregulated / no oversight taxes, nothing to do with public safety

2. speeding substantially increases likelihood of serious damage or death, speeding should be equated to attempted murder

If you were caught speeding & were charged with attempted murder, you'd think twice wouldn't you?

MichalBryxi, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker People that don't agree with this either don't understand math or real life or both.

rebel63, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker if people steal to eat / live, they dont need punishment, they need help.

Chaingang, Nina Simone,

I committed crime Lord I needed

Crime of being hungry and poor

I left the grocery store man breathing

When they caught me robbing his store
....

I heard the judge say five years

On the chain-gand you gonna go

I heard the judge say five years labor

I heard my old man scream Lordy, no!

I always think of this song when I hear of someone "convicted" of stealing to live.

holly, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker Unless the fine is proportional to your income or net worth — it should hurt everyone equally.

caycedo, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker looks like there could be a fallacy. Does that mean there is no good fine?

JohnLoader6, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker and if a company is fined no director loses a penny. Network Rail fined for safety accident so have less money for safety work

indyradio, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker
Are you aware the State of Illinois ended all cash bail Monday?
Most of the jailed are awaiting trial, because of cash bail.
In Illinois, this is over. @herbsti72

GreenMazza, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker So true, especially traffic related ‘infringements’ the wealthy have it all stacked in their favour, where ever is the ‘level’ playing field in democratic societies? Why does it seem that all is pushed aside or turned around to suit the few wealthy/power hungry people?

MBridegam, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker

So fortunate, then, that licensing, employment and credit problems also follow from so many minor convictions.

[irony]

Powerfromspace1, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker kind of the point of these ‘laws’ ☝️ . The American poet laureate /prophet 50 cent had it right ‘get rich or die trying’

NovemberMan, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker 👍💯👍

markvonwahlde, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker Yeah. Minor campaign contribution violations...only for the poor. Whatever...

Jon_Kramer, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker

What civilized nations do:

https://www.wionews.com/world/millionaire-fined-a-record-130000-for-speeding-in-finland-where-penalties-are-based-on-income-601489

DMakarios, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker Very true! Except in those countries where fines are proportionate to income.

bison, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker i am fine with a fine, but it should always be coupled to the monthly income and/or the total "value" of a person's assets (in whichever form).
If a fine doesn't inflict the same punishment to everyone, then it's just for poor people.

ShredderFeeder, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker we used to call them speeding permits.

dhrystone, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/04/finlands-progressive-punishment-when-it-comes-to-speeding-tickets

Jon_Kramer, 8 months ago

@dhrystone @Strandjunker

Dammit, I should have known someone would beat me to this response!

maffia, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker in Finland the fine is related to income

TheMNWolf, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker if they want fines they should make them means tested and then watch how much the rich people shit themselves.

recker5, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker
In Germany the fine is heavily dependant on your income.

your_huckleberry, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker instructions unclear, parking violations now punishable by hard jail time.

eibart, 8 months ago

@Strandjunker
it's called #classwar, isn't it?

Eka_FOOF_A, 8 months ago (edited 8 months ago)

@Strandjunker Fines need to proportional to net worth. Edit: Thinking more about this, income would be better. This is because of retirees and farmers.

der_schneewolf, 8 months ago

@Eka_FOOF_A @Strandjunker you mean, so the poor poor privateer who is not working because of the millions on his account is not paying too much? 😉
Net worth is definitely much better then income

duncan_lithgow, 8 months ago

@Eka_FOOF_A How about the punishment being the loss of time benchmarked on networth and adjusted for hardship considerations. So a seeding infraction for a poor mother might mean server dinner at a soup kitchen once a week, three times. The same infraction for a rich f***r could be two weekends of community service. Just something I'm thinking about.