geerlingguy,
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Most smart devices are incredibly dumb.

In this 8th moving vlog, I set up @homeassistant Yellow with a @Raspberry_Pi to solve some of my first world problems—but using smart automation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTwyInX4KyM

DigitalKrampus,
@DigitalKrampus@geekdom.social avatar

@geerlingguy

Great video, Jeff!

I gave up on HomeKit a few months ago because it has become so unreliable. Switches would take upwards of 15 seconds to flip, even after upgrading to matter, unless they went “unresponsive”.

It seems like the zigbee Leviton switches respond very quickly? Have you seen any reliability issues besides Wi-Fi interference?

Thanks!!

geerlingguy,
@geerlingguy@mastodon.social avatar

@DigitalKrampus One time after over a year of no power outages, one of my switches seemed to lose some wireless functionality (manual operation was fine). Switching on and off the breaker fixed it, been great since.

DigitalKrampus,
@DigitalKrampus@geekdom.social avatar

@geerlingguy very cool. I can handle occasional issues but my Eve light switches were going offline daily making them completely unusable.

or,

@geerlingguy Just a heads up that many PIR sensors have patterns that "look" out and down, but not up. (Why stare at the ceiling when you can increase sensitivity below) So mounting it upside-down may cause some problems... But maybe just check the datasheet/manual

geerlingguy,
@geerlingguy@mastodon.social avatar

@or Yep! That indeed was the issue, and when I flipped it back to the right orientation it was working perfectly.

or,

@geerlingguy Haha, maybe I should have finished the video first. My bad!

geerlingguy,
@geerlingguy@mastodon.social avatar

@or Oh haha and I should read all my replies before replying to one lol

tacnextgen,
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@geerlingguy
Great video. And I agree with the sentiment - many smart devices are indeed very dumb.

This is a good reminder to support products that follow open standards and aren't tied to the cloud.

There's some drama around garage door openers and Home Assistant right now, which is detailed here https://www.home-assistant.io/blog/2023/11/06/removal-of-myq-integration/

Faceman2K23,
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Hey, Jeff’s here! Neat.

niclas,
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@geerlingguy

~2002 I was invited to a speak at a small conference about "Smart Buildings".

Other speakers basically claimed that comm cable in a building was equal to "smart", or enough thermostats...

My first slide was "The Smartest Building in the World is more stupid than an Ant", or something to that effect, and then went on to show my building automation systems running on Ethernet and reachable from the Internet, something I had been doing since 1998.

@raspberry_pi

niclas,
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@geerlingguy

Siemens came on after me and wasn't happy, because what I had been doing for ~4-5 years, Siemens explained "this is coming in the future"...

Hilarious.
@raspberry_pi

geerlingguy,
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@niclas @raspberry_pi Everything over IP!

niclas,
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@geerlingguy

Yeah, I was a bit early with that in the building automation sector.

@raspberry_pi

breadbin,
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@geerlingguy I really like your (or did you nick it?:)) idea of making it additive. It’s one of those “obvious” things that one doesn’t think of until someone points it out.

I’ve a very modest home automation setup, with mainly lights. But I can’t turn on/off my lamps (side table lamp) without finding the “smart” plug and press the button there. :/

Would be neat to have a smart socket where both me and the wifi can turns things off (and on again!).

Just rambling out loud:) Good video.

AyotoCorp,
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@geerlingguy Home Assistant is such a huge QOL improvement once you get it set up, plus it can help save a ton of money with heating and charging devices.

And then you start to veer into dangerous territory with thoughts like "You know, if I spent $300 on a set of ZigBee motion sensors, I could make it so I would never have to touch a single light switch ever again".

geerlingguy,
@geerlingguy@mastodon.social avatar

@AyotoCorp Haha full 360° coverage of my body in a bath of radar sensors!

AyotoCorp,
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@geerlingguy Just get a small fleet of Roombas that are programmed to follow you around so at all times you know exactly where you are in the house.

Shardikprime,

artIFicial intelligence

ridge,

@geerlingguy Bless you!

NeoNachtwaechter,

So?

peter,
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

You think dumb as in not intelligent, what he means in the video is dumb as in poorly designed

call_me_xale,

Ikr? Seems like a good thing to me. I want dumb devices controlled by a smart system.

GreatAlbatross,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

Exactly this.

My temperature sensors don’t need to phone home or even communicate two ways. They just need to squawk the temperature into the ether.

SteveTech,

The video is about smart devices that are poorly designed and/or rely on cloud infrastructure being dumb. Jeff also wants smart devices that will literally only talk to home assistant, and will still work fine if home assistant is offline (like a light switch will still work if the server is down).

filister,

Then buy ZigBee devices and a Sonoff/ConBee ZigBee Gateway

SteveTech,

That’s what he did, but with a home assistant yellow as the gateway.

jahanson,

@geerlingguy on fosstodon @homeassistant :)

geerlingguy,
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@jahanson @homeassistant Oh. Gah, one of the most painful things about trying to tag people in Mastodon is how there are like 15 "mirror" accounts from the birdsite for any popular account/project.

infinitevalence,
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Yes they are and to much proprietary firmware, software, and parts…

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