Jaden2,

I seen Gaza all over social media. Ion gon lie I don't no to much bout this. But it cannot be right that Israel are just killing innocent Palestine kids? Why ain't the US calling for a cease fire? Just seems so cruel.
to save lives ❤️

srfirehorseart,
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@Jaden2

It is cruel.

Here's what the Save the Children charity said:

"No child in Gaza is safe at the moment. At least 3,826 children have been killed in 3 weeks. That surpasses the annual number of children killed across the world's conflict zones since 2019."

I can't comment on US politics but I don't think the UK government is much better at condemning the cruelty either. Public protests are still ongoing here.

Jaden2,

@srfirehorseart 💔 no words 🙏🏿

Steve98052,

@Jaden2
It's complicated.

  • The current government of is militant and willing to kill Gaza civilians (and demolish homes of West Bank Palestinians), and it is corrupt. But they are democratically elected.

  • The current government of is militant and willing to kill Israeli civilians and use Gaza civilians as , and it is corrupt. Although it was elected democratically (with a 42% plurality, defeating a divided opposition), it has held power for over a decade by violently blocked further elections.

  • Israeli civilians are complicit with their government, but only to the extent that they voted for militants.

  • Gaza civilians are largely innocent of their government; fewer than half were born at the time of the election that brought Hamas to power.

  • Israel is dedicated to defeating Hamas, even at cost of killing Gaza civilians.

  • Hamas is dedicated to making Israel look bad, even at cost of getting Gaza civilians killed.

fivetonsflax,

@Jaden2 I've read such a giant pile of words on the subject, and pondered for countless hours, and wound up ... basically where you're starting. Keep that energy.

glowrocks,

@Jaden2 Biden's team has been working on a cease-fire.

Netanyahu (sp) has his own political reasons for not wanting to stop the killing.

He, personally, is a war criminal imnsho.

But make no mistake, we are applying a lot of pressure (w/little result, so far).

joesabin,

@Jaden2 it's really complex and there doesn't seem to be any straightforward explanation.

Jaden2,

@joesabin I don't understand why Biden doesn't demand a ceasefire? Hundreds of Palestine kids getting killed everyday.

joesabin,

@Jaden2 it's because the US is allied with Israel as the only democracy in the Middle East and thus supports them. I agree with you, but historically this is what is done. We need to demand less fealty to Israel in US policy.

Wijfi,

@Jaden2
Not trying to defend Israel but it is important to acknowledge that Hamas is (and has in the past) fired rockets from hospitals, schools, and un buildings. It's how they fight such an asymmetrical war against a much more powerful army because the strategy leaves Israel with no nice options in response. Hamas also killed 100s of Israeli children and is holding children hostage because Israel also hasn't given Hamas any nice options for resisting the blockade and occupation.

DoubleTreble,
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@Wijfi @Jaden2
10,000 Palestinians killed, civilian men women and children😭

Jaden2,

@DoubleTreble @Wijfi shit why tf is the US supporting this ?

CaptainJanegay,
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@Jaden2 The US gvt has a lot of financial and political ties to the Israeli government, and they think it's more important to stay on good terms with the Israeli government than to step in.

I hope that the protests inside Israel will expand, the current government will lose power and then the governments in other countries will start seriously trying to protect Palestinians. But I don't know, and every day more people are dying.

Jaden2,

@CaptainJanegay fr Biden needs to call fo a ceasefire. How can he let all these lives be lost ? Kids too!

CaptainJanegay,
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@Jaden2 Totally agree. I "understand" the politicians' position in that I know what their argument is, but I just can't imagine anything that could make you look at a situation where 5000 children have been killed and not want to do everything you possibly can to stop it, right now

Jaden2,

@CaptainJanegay for real those innocent kids haven't done any wrong. This is so bad. I can't understand why Biden doesn't demand a ceasefire now? Tf is wrong with him?

Junk_Mood,

@Jaden2 @CaptainJanegay same goes for the Israelis having been slaughtered. The problem: Hamas wants exactly this. There was a ceasefire before the attack. Hamas broke it slaying the most Jews since the Holocaust on one day knowing exactly what will happen. Still shooting rockets from Hospitals and such, still keeping Hostages among those kids. Netanyahu and the settlers are POS, yes, but Hamas brought this one onto Gaza. Hamas could stop just as well but are willingly sacrificing their people.

spiegelmama,

@Jaden2 @CaptainJanegay The goal of Hamas is to eliminate Israel and to "remove" all Jews from the region, which of course is the historical Jewish homeland as well. This is the third war in 80 years that Israel's neighbors started to try to eliminate the Jewish people; those previous wars are why Israel has territories in the first place. This is a rough situation, urban terrorism conducted in such tight quarters, Hamas naturally as an outnumbered force using every possible method to try to win. It's absolutely a humanitarian disaster, and it could never have been anything different, as Hamas knew when it executed its attack to start this war. I also support a ceasefire, but unless we're willing to ensure the security of Israel, we don't have the right to demand a sovereign nation lay down its arms against an active terrorist group less than a month after it deliberately targeted and murdered 1,400 civilians.

tehstu,
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@Jaden2 Can of worms. But yeah, it's astonishing we allow (tacitly, through inaction) this to happen.

I hope your replies to this are full of nuance.

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