Those calling for #ceasefirenow are obviously ignoring the fact that #Hamas doesn't want a real cease fire.
There WAS a cease fire on October 6.
Hamas could end this war immediately by surrending and releasing all remaining hostages.
Hamas is NOT a "resistance". They are not freedom fighters.
They are a blood-thirsty, warmongering organization with only 1 objective: to destroy Israel.
Hamas kills #Palestinians who resist their oppression.
If you don't condemn Hamas and call for their immediate unconditional surrender, not only are you supporting a continued war, you are supporting #terrorism and #genocide
Refusal to place the blame for #Gaza's thousands of deaths on Hamas is compliance with Hamas' strategy and support for their war.
@michael_martinez I keep trying to tell people this isn't one sided and so many people forget decades of Hamas' history and don't seem to care. Yes Israel isn't a saint, but I have seen people keep forgetting Hamas blatantly went into Israel to massacre a civilian music festival as well as then massacred local residences of civilians.
They are a far cry from the Palestinian Authority and Hamas doesn't actually benefit Palestinians and their cause, if anything it harms them.
@chiefgyk3d@michael_martinez I admit that there are two sides, but what michael is saying is so one-sided it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. Considering that, in 1924, only 11% of Palestine's population was Jewish, it is the massive encroachment and rights-denying of generations of people by the Zionist state that has constantly pushed people into a corner where even supporting violent response can be seen as preferable to the Israeli attempts to annihilate the Palestinians (1 of 2)
"I admit that there are two sides, but what michael is saying is so one-sided it would be funny if it wasn't so serious. "
That is absolute bullshit obviously intended to deflect from what I've actually said so as to present yet another lie into the discussion.
"Considering that, in 1924, only 11% of Palestine's population was Jewish, it is the massive encroachment and rights-denying of generations of people by the Zionist state that has constantly pushed people into a corner where even supporting violent response can be seen as preferable to the Israeli attempts to annihilate the Palestinians ..."
And there you go - lying by selective history.
Israel was founded as a result of the decision by the United Nations to provide a homeland for the Jews. And they used an existing plan that was established PRIOR to the British Mandate by Jews and Muslim Palestinians themselves.
The British mucked up everything with their policy of playing various groups against each other.
@michael_martinez@UkeleleEric yup the British messed up this region as they also did others. But also like you said there are so many lying by selective history to fit whatever narrative they need it to and so many people ignorant to centuries of history going back to the Crusades, Roman, and Ottoman Empire that actually lead up to where we are today for the region.
@michael_martinez@chiefgyk3d And you're the one accusing me of selective history! The UN decision was based on the fallacy, oft-repeated by Zionists, of a homeland in an otherwise empty land. But Palestine wasn't empty or unproductive before the formation of the Israeli State. Yes, the British did muck up a lot. Yes, the UN did have to provide somewhere because so many countries (including a lot of the movers and shakers in the UN) were openly anti-semitic. (1/2)
@UkeleleEric@michael_martinez you’re forgetting the British plan was to split it into Arab and Jewish lands completely forgetting the history of the Transjordan becoming the Hashemite kingdom of Jordan as well as things beyond just the UN like the British Peel Commission. Post Ottoman Empire collapse the British were also dealing with the collapse of their empire too. You’re really being selective of history
But you argued that all of the suffering in Gaza is Hamas’ fault. If the IDF were to discover Hamas located in an Israeli city, such as Ashkelon, and destroyed the city to defeat Hamas, would not all those Israelis casualties be Hamas’ fault as well?
@HeavenlyPossum Enough. You're obviously not interested in an honest discussion. Go learn something about what is really going on in the Middle East before atting me again.
These are honest questions intended for you to consider the motivation of people calling for a ceasefire a little differently than your “you support genocide and terrorism” claim above.
If the IDF were bombing Ashkelon to kill Hamas fighters hiding in the city and has killed 20,000 Israelis, might you call for the IDF to cease firing without desiring Hamas to win?
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