MLE_online,
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I've gathered up all the things I need to try making natto this weekend

recursive,
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@MLE_online oh, natto is amazing!

MLE_online,
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Start with soybeans, obviously

MLE_online,
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The plan is to use this ancient temperature controller and a lightbulb to keep inside of an insulated box at the right warm temperature (40C) for the 24 hours this requires

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MLE_online,
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It's all going to go inside of this styrofoam box my brother found for me

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MLE_online,
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The bulb is gonna sit like so

MLE_online,
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Let's see how long it takes for the bulb to heat the inside up.

Not very long at all!

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MLE_online,
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I might have a little bit of a problem here. The thermocouple I have is not of the correct type for this controller, so the temperature it reads is wrong, which would be fine because I can see what the actual temperature is, but it looks like I cannot adjust the internal temperature of the box to be much lower than about 50C, which is 10 degrees too warm for making natto

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MLE_online,
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I think I got it sorted out!

smellsofbikes,
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@MLE_online What did you do?

MLE_online,
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@smellsofbikes I fiddled with it

MLE_online,
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It's still holding steady at 40 celsius. I think this is going to work!

MLE_online,
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I added a small bowl of water as a thermal mass to simulate having soybeans in the chamber. It's kind of wild how much of a difference that makes. The temperature in the chamber would climb to 120F in maybe 30-40 seconds when it was empty. With the bowl of water in there, it's barely at 93F after 20 minutes.

Yeah, water has a high specific heat, but I didn't expect it to absorb heat from the air that fast

tedyapo,
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@MLE_online you're probably seeing some evaporative cooling. once the humidity stabilizes, that may drop off

MLE_online,
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@tedyapo if only I had my humidity sensor, but it's in my office at work

MLE_online,
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Checking things out with the thermal cam. As expected, there's heat leakage where wires and cords go into the chamber and at the joint between the top and bottom. I did not expect the controller itself to be so warm though

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MLE_online,
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Thermal cat

dragfyre,
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thomasfuchs,
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@MLE_online need to insulate those eyes better

MLE_online,
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@thomasfuchs I will make him some eyemuffs

MLE_online,
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I feel pretty good about my incubation chamber, so the steaming of the soybeans has begun

MLE_online,
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Natto spores come in a very cool box

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MLE_online,
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I don't know what this says but I'm sure it's something like, "put the spores on the beans"

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MLE_online,
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Inoculated and ready to go into the incubator

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MLE_online,
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Bye bye, beans! See you in 12-24 hours

MLE_online,
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Now we just need to monitor it

pixel,
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@MLE_online Wait I have that same multimeter. Had no idea it had a thermometer in it!

MLE_online,
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@pixel mine came with a temperature probe!

pixel,
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@MLE_online huh! looks like mine did too. lol. good to know :)

humulus,
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@MLE_online slimy bean science box.

MLE_online,
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@humulus yes! This!

MLE_online,
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Still holding steady at 104F (40C).

If it stays in that range for the rest of the evening, I will be able to sleep in peace without having to think about it

eichin,
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MLE_online,
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@eichin it's more of a rectangular prism but similar vibes

MLE_online,
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I had to move it to the garage because the constant big kerchunking of the internal relay would have never allowed me to sleep tonight

bytex64,
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@MLE_online Do love a satisfying kerchunk otherwise, though.

MLE_online,
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@bytex64 I do, too. Just not every 5/2 seconds for hours on end

MLE_online,
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The incubation chamber has decided that it should instead hold steady at 45C. Look how much bacterial growth I'm leaving on the table at that temperature! Ugh.

MLE_online,
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This morning, the incubator is holding steady at 42C, which is just fine. It needs to run for ~7 more hours like that

MLE_online,
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Just about an hour until I can take a look and see if my natto is thriving or kaput

stefani,
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@MLE_online

a neighbor cat is named "Natto" but he is not soybeans.

he does stop by for food occasionally...

MLE_online,
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@stefani is he smelly?

stefani,
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@MLE_online

not at all!

MLE_online,
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@stefani Is he slimy?

stefani,
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@MLE_online

not at all! he is fluffy! and has a squeaky-meow!

MLE_online,
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@stefani He has none of the qualities of the dish with which he shares his name!

stefani,
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@MLE_online
I will ask him about it the next time he shows up.

MLE_online,
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@stefani He's probably as confused about why he's named Natto as my my cat is about why she's named Lettuce

smellsofbikes,
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@MLE_online it's about an hour and I keep refreshing this thread

MLE_online,
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@smellsofbikes Busy with work at the moment!

MLE_online,
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stefani,
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@MLE_online

#natto (not NATO)

MLE_online,
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@stefani he looks natto pleased to be having his photo taken

MLE_online,
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The instructions say that after the warm fermentation, the beans go into the fridge for a cold fermentation that makes them even slimier and flavorful. So, we'll see tomorrow!

realtime,
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@MLE_online the warm glow of that box is very nice
it would be cool to have furniture that glows like that when you turn it on

MLE_online,
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@realtime Glowing styrofoam couch!!

bkize,

@realtime
@MLE_online
I second that! It looks like a scene out of Indiana Jones or some down-to-earth sci-fi movie.

MLE_online,
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@bkize Indiana Jones and the Quest to Find Some Shit in a Lady's Garage

yujiri,
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@MLE_online what are you... making?

yujiri,
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@MLE_online oh, natto? cool

MLE_online,
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@yujiri ya natto. Not NATO, which my phone keeps trying to autocorrect to

dizzy,
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@MLE_online curious to know whether fermentation adds any appreciable heat but suppose not if the lamp is constantly kicking in

MLE_online,
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@dizzy I'm sure there's a small amount, but it must not be much or the beans wouldn't need an external heat source to keep them warm

thestrangelet,
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@MLE_online This is awesome. Like an industrial easy-bake oven.

MLE_online,
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@thestrangelet yes! An easy bake oven for making smelly, slimy beans

RueNahcMohr,

@MLE_online what type does it need? what type do you have?

MLE_online,
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@RueNahcMohr it needs a j type and I have a k-type. And even though I have both iron wire and Constantan wire, my attempts to make my own j type thermocouple did not succeed

RueNahcMohr,

@MLE_online J, huh. I'v heard of it and never seen one.
It helps to have a spot welder or acetylene torch to join them.

MLE_online,
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@RueNahcMohr I used a spot welder, but still no good!

RueNahcMohr,

@MLE_online ! interesting!

MLE_online,
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@RueNahcMohr to be clear, it worked, just not well enough. The thermocouple generated voltage, but its output was too low for the controller

bornach,
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@MLE_online
Excellent setup.
That can cook a whole chicken
https://youtu.be/vP12inOxG88
https://youtu.be/EVjT2KJ5zYQ

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