xahteiwi,
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Tapping the sign:

You don't take meeting notes for the people in the meeting. You take them for people who aren't in the meeting.

That includes three-months-from-now-you, who also isn't in the meeting.

jason,
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@xahteiwi Something no one in my company understands. I was on PTO for like 6 days and I do not know shit about anything. When I was young and full of vigor, I went back and tried actively to collect all information that might be relevant. I don't do that no more. If people want me to know something, they better have some meetings notes or a handover or something. Documentation really is the last thing anyone ever wants to do.

xahteiwi,
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@jason I work with an exquisite team that is splendid at documentation, and it takes me 4 hours to be completely caught up when I return from two weeks off. It's magnificent, and I cherish it immensely.

railmeat,
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@xahteiwi

That is unusual, I have never experienced that.

@jason

xahteiwi,
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@railmeat I built that team. All teams I've run in the last 10 years operated that way. @jason

railmeat,
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@xahteiwi

That is great. I am impressed that you teach that. You might have magical skills.

I noticed a long time ago that my memory was often flawed. I decided to start taking notes to deal with that. I don’t do a very good job of note taking, but it is still a big help.

@jason

xahteiwi, (edited )
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@railmeat I do not have magical skills. None whatsoever. I just work with professionals.

Oh and everyone's memory is deeply flawed. We humans are terrible at remembering details — we're really good at making them up, though, which in this case isn't helping at all.

@jason

jason,
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@xahteiwi @railmeat If it was that easy ;). I would not say that I do not work with professionals. I tried to build a team like that – but at a certain point they also have to "let you", i.e. the company needs to be structured and willing to work like that. Especially in a large enterprise company. A lot also depends on the systemic environment you need to operate in. Without being to go into specifics publicly.

failedLyndonLaRouchite,

@xahteiwi

sorry disagree: you take notes for the people in the meeting in case there is a disagreement* over what was agreed to

*of course use of "in case" is humorous

zhenech,
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@failedLyndonLaRouchite @xahteiwi the people who disagree afterwards also were not in the meeting, otherwise they'd know what was agreed upon.

cm,
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@zhenech @failedLyndonLaRouchite @xahteiwi But what was agreed upon is what the note-taker wrote down, as mostly meeting notes are not discussed afterwards. This might be an advantage for the note-taker in some situations...

xahteiwi,
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@cm @zhenech

The rule is that what was said during the meeting does not matter. The only thing that matters is what's written down.

"Yeah but we discussed that in that meeting 6 weeks ago!" — No we didn't.

That build's everyone's shared interest in complete and accurate meeting notes pretty damn quick.

Lazarou,
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@xahteiwi unless you're at a "Criminal fucking conspiracy"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKGdhJybmT8

oliver,
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@xahteiwi

the same applies to tickets.
I wouldn't be able to recall even half of what I did otherwise

xahteiwi,
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@oliver This is also a big stress reduction factor. You don't have to remember how you solved a problem when it pops up next. You just have to remember that you solved it, and a few keywords to put into your issue tracker when the time comes.

Bonus, you can also find the solutions for problems your colleagues ran into, and vice versa.

akareilly,
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@xahteiwi Everyone needs to learn how to take good meeting notes. Because sometimes the usual note-taker isn't in the meeting. If you have a usual note-taker, fix it.

xahteiwi,
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@akareilly Well you can have one. That person would be called a secretary and would be a highly trained and experienced professional in their field. Since that used to be a role frequently held by women, society did its damnedest to underpay it, belittle it and deny its importance for decades. With entirely predictable results.

mattwilcox,
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@xahteiwi Same with comments in code.

The code should explain it's own mechanics, but the comments are there to explain why those mechanics are what they are, to people who don't already know... like, future you, who doesn't have the whole project in their head anymore.

xahteiwi,
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@mattwilcox Precisely.

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