GreenFire,
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Yet another 🧵 1 of 7

So, I know I keep saying that I'll drop out of the U.S. campus anti-Joe Biden protest movement debate. I jumped in since I worry so much about our climate crisis that anything that might help out the GOP is something to worry about.

I've seen now how small the anti-Biden movement actually is despite how loud they are I'm not so worried except that since I monitor what motivates voters in the USA the true tiny size of this crowd may belie their political danger.

GreenFire,
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If you don't like reading threads or if you want to read it faster than I can copy and paste it, the reason I'm posting this thread is because I found a blog that clearly articulates the concerns everyone that cares about human rights and especially climate change should consider around what they say and do this election year.

So, here's the link and I'll try to respond to thoughtful and respectful discourse, but if you just want to vent perhaps skip it.
https://proudnavyveteran.wordpress.com/2024/05/03/advice-for-college-protesters/

GreenFire,
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Please keep in mind that even unintended consequences can cause real harm.

Advice for Protesters and especially professors:

  1. Participants and provocateurs outside your campus may not have your best interests in mind.

  2. The US/Israel relationship is complicated. Deteriorating relations have the potential to cause unrest throughout the Middle East, (even worldwide).

  3. The problem isn’t the Israeli people, the problem is Benjamin Netanyahu. He is a narcissist and a fascist.

GreenFire,
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  1. Your efforts have the potential to hurt President Biden in November, ushering in a second Trump term. Trump supporters know that, so please reread #1.

  2. If you think things are bad for the Palestinian people now, with the Biden Administration trying to restrain Netanyahu, put Trump, a fellow fascist, back in office. Netanyahu will be free to do as he pleases.

Publisher's note: If you care about human rights focus your ire on the Likud Party and not the Democratic Party!

capnthommo,
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@GreenFire number 5. Absolutely spot on. I daren't even begin to imagine.

GreenFire,
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@capnthommo
I wish that people would really, truly think about what is in the best interest of the Palestinian civilians rather than what seem to me to be mostly hot takes driven by emotional responses to images and videos firing up their always simmering hate of the USA's history.

Yeah, our history isn't great. No country's is, but we can still have a good future if we try and do it right.

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  • GreenFire,
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    @FrankFrank @capnthommo
    Anyone that wants to protest against colonialism should be focused on what Putin is doing in Kharkiv this week! The globe's expanding empires are getting a free pass from most of the public because their political technologists have managed to get the kids to focus on the war that Hamas (puppets of Putin and Iran) started for just that reason.

    GreenFire,
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    @FrankFrank @capnthommo
    Speaking of Palestine, I just saw two posts related to that region which are illuminating if accurate. Apparently, both the Palestinian flag as well as the black & white keffiyeh were designed and introduced by British bureaucrats that were attempting to bring stability into the remnants of the Ottoman Empire.

    That's kind of ironic don't you think if true.

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  • GreenFire,
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    @FrankFrank @capnthommo
    There are solutions if Saudi Arabia and the other countries that have gotten rich by heating our planet will help pay for people to rebuild net-zero resilient communities. There are other potential pathways, but first thing to figure out is how to get everyone to stop buying fossil fuels.

    GreenFire,
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    5 of 7

    1. If Trump was President now, you wouldn’t be facing police and tear gas, you would be facing the National Guard, (or even the US military), and automatic weapons.

    2. Donald Trump couldn’t care less about your rights and freedoms. So, as you protest, it’s important to remember that the only barrier standing between you and fascism is Joe Biden and the Democratic Party.

    Publisher's note: There's a reason that Hamas attacked on Putin's birthday. This whole thing is a gift to him!

    GreenFire,
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    6 of 7

    1. The rise of Fascism should be your core concern. It’s driving the events in Israel, it is a very real threat to our Democracy, and is on the rise worldwide.

    2. Where is your outrage for the threat fascism poses here at home? Why are you not protesting Trump/Republican ongoing efforts to subvert the US Constitution and install a dictator?

    Publisher's note: There's an important concept called political capital. If we support Biden he'll have more power to use against Netanyahu.

    GreenFire,
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    7 of 7

    1. Protest wisely. Peaceful protests are powerful because they limit the options for authorities. Violence and property damage diminishes or destroys your message, causes public backlash, and it invites a violent response.

    Finally – Make sure your protests don’t ultimately lead to you losing your right to protest, along with every other right and freedom you enjoy today.

    Our climate is on the ballot in 2024 so we need to focus on winning on that issue or everything else is hopeless!

    GreenFire,
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    This isn't really a part of the thread, but an addition to it about protesting effectively versus ineffectively.

    Please monitor the protests happening in Georgia against Putinism and try to learn valuable lessons to help your movement bring about positive progress.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/georgia-rocked-by-protests-as-government-pushes-putin-style-foreign-agent-bill/ar-AA1o7qRl

    LindaCollins11,
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    @GreenFire Thanks Kevin for posting this. Trump thinks Bibi "needs to finish the job in Gaza". After his previous term, where he wanted a Muslim ban, that should have already enlightened pro Palestinian people to where they would be if Trump should be elected.

    GreenFire,
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    @LindaCollins11
    Thanks, one thing that I want to try to make clear is that it's not so important what one's intentions are. What really matters is what the impact of your actions and words have.

    I monitor so I know how much political hay they can make out of relatively minor faux pas made by people they can label as Democrats.

    LindaCollins11,
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    @GreenFire You must have a lot more patience than I. Being old, I don't want to stroke out screaming at the TV. Watching the kids all so young and full of the ability to take on the world takes me back to Grant Park in Chicago during the Democratic convention, where I was dragged by the seat of my pants & thrown into a paddywagon. 😎

    GreenFire,
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    @LindaCollins11
    Yeah I get it, but the point of that thread is related to 1968. Who won that election?

    LindaCollins11,
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    @GreenFire August of 1968 We were losing friends & brothers to a conflict they wouldn't even call a war. I was going into my senior year of high school. Luckily, I was released when I got to Shakespeare pd into a friends moms custody. Youthful innocence 😎

    GreenFire,
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    @LindaCollins11
    Thankfully, when Putin's useful idiots show up at this year's Democratic convention, our law enforcement officers have learned a lot about how to better deal with unruly mobs of people so we won't have a repeat of 1968. 🤞

    LindaCollins11,
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    @GreenFire Yeah, Mayor Daley had barbed wire all around the Amphitheater with more cops than you could ever imagine. He didn't want to fuck round 🥺with us. Luckily, back then, there were a few cops with common sense that didn't feel the need to shoot kids

    InkySchwartz,
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    @GreenFire point 3 is often missed or ignored.

    GreenFire,
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    @InkySchwartz
    Just think how much more political power President Biden would wield over Netanyahu if instead of attacking Joe Biden, these Americans were united behind him against the Likud Party policies.

    BangClankBoom,
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    @GreenFire @InkySchwartz Well, that was on point. Except the Biden-Bibi relations. He could be harder on Bibi. A lot harder.

    Trump would absolutely have every protester gunned down. If not killed, then incarcerated in our industrial prison complex.

    But that doesn't change the fact that vesting executive power further destabilizes us down the line. Every single article that helps us now will be used against us later.

    If the answer is Yes/No every election, than the status quo will continue.

    GreenFire,
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    @BangClankBoom @InkySchwartz
    I dispute your assertion that no progress can be made by selecting the lesser evil. If enough people do that for long enough than we've accomplished great things in our history around the globe.

    I'm thinking of how long it took to end (for the most part) human slavery for example.

    CelloMomOnCars,
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    @GreenFire

    I'm curious to know what makes you say the anti-Biden movement is loud but small? (I mean, I know they're loud).

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