evan, (edited )
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Which major change would a time traveler from 1974 notice most about cities today?

evan,
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I realized after posting this that I am actually a time traveler from 1974, although I took the scenic route to get here. No regrets, wouldn't have skipped a minute of the trip.

evan,
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Anyway, my response is pooper scooper laws. I remember walking through both American and European cities in the 80s and 90s, and how absolutely impassable some city streets were. Foul-smelling, hazardous, visually revolting. No wonder people thought walking in the city was a punishment for being poor.

evan,
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I also remember how controversial these laws were when they first were under discussion. So many editorials about how they were unfair, unnecessary, and unnatural. I wish people back then could see city sidewalks now.

evan,
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A lot of other good candidates in the replies. The prevalence of cell phones has come up a lot, but I'm not sure how visibly striking they are on city streets. Most people seem to use them for guidance or for audio entertainment (with very small earbuds!).

evan,
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Other items that came up: newspapers, newspaper machines, and news kiosks.

Public phones.

SUVs.

Digital advertising.

evan,
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Anyway, this poll idea came up because I am visiting Buenos Aires for the first time since 2008, and the streets are really wonderfully clear of obstacles. I sent a photo to my family because it's something we all remember from our previous visit. I don't know if they passed a law, enforcement has improved, or just social opprobrium, but it's a much nicer city to walk in now.

TerryHancock,
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@evan
The prevalence of cell phones lies not in what you see, but what you don't: mainly phone booths.

Also public information displays and maps have declined, since people can get the information on a smart phone (at least those who own them). This has become a hostile world for people who don't carry a smartphone.

johnefrancis,
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@evan "I can't reach the ashtray if I'm wearing a seatbelt"

rscottjones,
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@evan Interesting! This was definitely not my experience, but I’ve mostly lived in US suburbs.

But smoking? Oh man, it was EVERYWHERE. Same with cigarette butts. Now? Little pockets of them found mostly around isolated smoking sections. And you don’t have to change your clothes after going to a restaurant, or bar, or bowling alley, or…well, you get the idea.

evan,
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@rscottjones agreed. Again, I was thinking about the cityscape from the streets. I think smoking would be most striking in bars, restaurants, and workplaces. Probably also the trillions of squashed butts would be the main difference on the street.

Bodling,
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@evan In a city like Hanoi, the surprise would be the shops and factories with American dollars behind them.

In Lagos there'd now be way, way more people and way more pollution. Same in Mexico City.

In Durban or Johannesburg you'd notice that apartheid had vanished, and that - whoa! - Blacks are in charge.

In Gaza, you'd notice the recently destroyed buildings.

In Kharkiv you'd also notice recently bombed buildings.

So, certainly, it does depend on where the time traveler would look.

evan,
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@Bodling fair enough

TerryHancock,
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@evan
The decline in social acceptance of smoking seems the most dramatic to me (and perhaps the least expected for them).

Electronic maps seems like exactly the sort of thing they would expect from the future, although they might be a little surprised that we carry them around in our pockets.

SF of that era tended to be stuck on the idea of computers as large centralized machines.

stevenray,
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@evan citizens staring at their fecking phones like fools.

lauren,

@evan Not directly answering your question, but I have long thought that one of the changes that would most impress someone from, say, 1950, would be microwave ovens. They'd seem like total magic. Unlike a lot of higher tech, they'd be easy to understand without a lot of context.

evan,
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@lauren I was thinking more of things you'd see from the street, but a good one nonetheless.

Chip_Unicorn,
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@lauren

@evan

That would definitely impress someone from 1950.

But in the 1970s, microwave ovens were becoming popular. Source: https://www.whirlpool.com/blog/kitchen/history-of-microwave.html

lauren,

@Chip_Unicorn @evan
Which is why I chose the date I did.

floatybirb,
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@evan Other; I think the main things they'd pick up on would be that the cars are bigger and rounder and that people are dressed differently.

evan,
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@floatybirb Are they bigger? I don't think economy-sized cars had really hit the market in 1974.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_yacht_(automobile)

JorgeStolfi,
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@evan

No newspapers.

On ads, instead of phone numbers, weird "www..." or "@..." notations.

But mainly: half the people are carrying a small rectangular thing and are talking loud to themselves, like lunatics.

evan,
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@JorgeStolfi The newspaper one is really interesting. It's funny how much newspapers used to be part of the visible street landscape -- either in specialized newspaper kiosks, in automatic vending machines, or even human beings selling them by hand. I think you're probably right that this would be a big deal.

acdha, (edited )
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@evan everyone is driving huge vehicles which look like they’re going on a 2 month safari even if they’re just going a mile for coffee

ChildlessBambino,
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@evan wouldn't that depend on which country they are from?

evan,
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@ChildlessBambino would it?

andrewfeeney,
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@evan People wearing headphones staring at their phones, entranced. No eye contact, no conversation, no situational awareness.

j3j5,
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@andrewfeeney @evan

WHERE ARE ALL THE NEWSPAPERS??

evan,
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@andrewfeeney ah, you're right. 1974 is before the first Walkman.

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