maddad,
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The Supreme Court Rules That Cops Can Steal Your Stuff—as They Always Have
By a 6-3 vote, the conservative justices decided that there is no need for the state to provide a preliminary hearing in civil forfeiture cases.😡

When cops decide to help themselves to your property, they can do it without a warrant, without securing a conviction, without even charging you with a crime. 😡

When the government doesn't obey the law,
Then there is no law.
Billy Jack 1971

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/supreme-court-civil-forfeiture-hearing/

Jon_Kramer,
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@maddad Whoever has the guns makes the rules.

maddad,
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@Jon_Kramer

The wild west never ended, we just got better clothes...

janisf,
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@Jon_Kramer @maddad

Well, not entirely. You can't just own a gun and make the rules. You have to be more organized and have more better guns.

Let it be said, it's better to be on the side of the people with the more better guns and the organization to back it. There are ways. I encourage people to run for City Council.

maddad,
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@janisf @Jon_Kramer

💯 agreed. A lot of city governments need a thorough house cleaning and it's going to take more than just guns to do it.
We need the good people to say enough is enough, and get involved in all levels of government.

Jon_Kramer,
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@maddad @janisf Guns are almost always the way. Sure, Gahdi managed to drive out 1K of Brits by getting them so tired of beating the crap out of Indians that they went home... But that is an aberration in history. Most revolutions happen when someone picks up arms and starts slashing.

maddad,
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@Jon_Kramer @janisf

The gun solution won't work in America, a huge percentage of the population has one or more of them and in the last couple of hundred years all that has happened is a lot of innocent people have been killed.

Guns haven't worked so far and I don't think they ever will.

We are in a perpetual war, we need an intelligent solution, not a brute force solution or we are doomed to keep repeating history over and over again.

B_Whitewind,
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@maddad @Jon_Kramer @janisf I mean it literally worked last time. That's how this country was founded so coughs

janisf,
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@B_Whitewind @maddad @Jon_Kramer It didn't do anything to mitigate violence, though. The fight I'm fighting is bigger than just letting men keep shooting men and leaving kids in the crossfire.

B_Whitewind,
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@janisf @maddad @Jon_Kramer The cycle you've noticed is as old as humanity.
That's why I don't spend all day just screeching about anarchism. It would just be part of yet another cycle in the end.

Jon_Kramer,
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@B_Whitewind @janisf @maddad Anarchy is possibly the worst condition people can live in.

But yes, these cycles are eternal.

janisf,
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@Jon_Kramer @B_Whitewind @maddad Do you know what I say to people who say, "That's just the way it is?"

Yeah, don't make me say that.

B_Whitewind,
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@janisf @Jon_Kramer @maddad I only speak as I do because I spent a very long time thinking about this problem. In the end my conclusion was that it is the way it is because it's just easier to be a piece of s*** shrugs
If you ever find the answer, let us know. Lord knows mankind has spent eons thinking about it.

janisf,
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@B_Whitewind @Jon_Kramer @maddad

You make it harder to be a piece of shit, and you make it easier for mothers to raise sons who aren't pieces of shit, and you make it so women don't have to fuck those pieces of shit so more shit doesn't come out the chute.

Jon_Kramer,
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@maddad @janisf You are currently living in one in the most peaceful times in human history, in one of the most peaceful nations on earth. Historians have called this era "The Great Peace."

For revolution and forcing change, guns or other weapons ALWAYS work.

I stand firmly with Marx on this issue...

janisf,
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@Jon_Kramer @maddad Yeah, seek out WHY that peace is happening. Emulate that.

janisf,
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@Jon_Kramer @maddad I just had a conversation with a guy who had a deep understanding of what happened with India, and it sounds like Ghandi had "help."

That's not to say there aren't cleverer ways to push progress. For starters, nearly nobody's sleeping with cops, and I'm party convinced it's part of why they're so touchy.

Now we work on the Private Equity market?

Jon_Kramer,
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@janisf @maddad It's been a few decades since I read "Freedom at Midnight" or saw that kingsley movie about Gandhi, but ya, he had lots of help... and that help was guys with guns. :)

janisf,
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@Jon_Kramer @maddad We can keep spiraling, or we can improve the systems people put in place to join the fight against violence, en masse. There really isn't a middle ground.

I'm committed to non-violence, and thinking of smarter ways to leave a better, safer world for my kid, and all the other kids.

Theblueone,
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@maddad Ah yes, the “small government” conservatives strike again.

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